Manmade Flying Saucers

The concept of "flying saucers" has become synonymous with that of UFO, and by logical extension, to "extraterrestrial spacecraft." The truth is that these concepts are not necessarily related.

Long before Kenneth Arnold initiated the modern age of the societal phenomenon known as UFO, there were already "flying saucers" that had little in common with spacecraft from other planets.
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Use electrogravitics to reach space. Then use M2P2 to get to Jupiter in 1.5 years... Believe it or not, most of our solar system is open to us right now. The technology exisits. Using a pickle jar sized engine that produces a large 25 mile diameter magnetic feild can bring us to Jupiter in a year and a half. That's 3 year's for a round trip to the first outer planet of this solar system. Electrogravitics has existed since the 1920's. It essentially ionizes the atmosphere above your ship and creates a vaccum. The air under your ship wants to fill that vaccum quickly, along with your ship. That is what you use to exit the atmosphere. This form of propulsion can also be used for other directions of travel besides 'up', including the ability to 'hover'....

The only reason I can think of as to why we don't have ships like this is because it provides a cheap and easy means for all people on this planet to enjoy space travel...That means less money for the companies that would provide such services.....

A 25 mile diameter magnetic field. Sounds like the atoms above would be just as ionized as the ones below???
Ionization does not produce a vacuum. I think all those people with air ionizers to clean the air in the living room would be floating around. Or this must be some super duper ionization that mere mortals cant comprehend, DUUUHHH.
And what happens when you get to the vacuum of space, does it produce a super duper vacuum there??

I think it creates a super flux vibration in only the protons of the second valence level of hydrogen atoms, and it can be directed at will, then it would work.

You've misunderstood my post. The M2P2 engine is the one that generates the 25 mile diameter magnetic field. This is used like a sail to travel to jupiter in 1.5 years. This is real...(look it up)...

Electrogravitics is also a real phemomenon. Ions can be repelled using magnetic/electric fields. This basic propertery can be seen in the vasimr engine, or any ion propelled device for that matter... I can't explain the whole procces to you, so again...look it up...

I'll bet you'll also have some negative remark if I mentioned a certian fission engine that could reach mar's in 2 weeks.... Also a real thing....

Quite disbalieving and start seeing what's there and available for you, all you gotta do is look into it your self to find the facts... Some of the most rediculouse sounding sites may have a thread of truth to them if you reasearch the claims instead of dismissing them...

Look at all the ancient myths....
look up vimmana('s)...

Just think...the city of troy was once considered a myth....until we found it...

Some of our most basic concepts were shuned away by people like you...

The earth is round
Revolves around the sun... Etc....

If you want to build your own then check this out....

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Hey i guess i am too used to reading things about totally ridiculous statements on this board.
The M2p2 and the Vasimr engine both have credible research going into them. However they are clearly experimental and concepts with many years if not decades away from practicle uses.

www.ae.utexas.edu... (clearly a "CONCEPT")

From ABC science new 1999 article on M2P2
It may sound a bit bizarre, but the bubble idea is what scientists at the University of Washington are proposing. And the National Aeronautics and Space Administration recently clamored aboard with a $500,000 grant to see if the idea could actually work.
(note the last line).

Originally posted by JamesG The only reason I can think of as to why we don't have ships like this is because it provides a cheap and easy means for all people on this planet to enjoy space travel...That means less money for the companies that would provide such services.....

And more personal freedoms that the government would have to try to squelch...

But seriously, it *would* help to save a lot of useless chit-chat to provide your sources (links or book-names, whatever) when you present your initial claims...Otherwise you might wind up getting pissed off as people try to discredit your claim as "unverifiable".

Working prototypes have been built for both the m2p2 and the vasimr engines. The main m2p2 site show's a working prototype. Mayve not powerfull enough to create the full 25 mile bubble, but it still works.

I've seen pictures of a working prototype for the vasimr engine. Look for more recent articles....

Midnight: Non of my 'claims' are unverifiable when you have the whole internet at your fingertips. I don't usually save links, since I print and store away interesting articles. So do as I do and research key words that I post...

M2P2
vasimr
electrogravitics..... Etc.....

Shouldn't take no more than 2 minutes to find what I'm talking about... If it does...you prolly doing it wrong and are therefore incapable of understanding what to do anyhow....

The one link I did provide, gives you a way to test out the electrogravitics claims and verify that it is a very real phenomenom....

try working from there.....

Here's a nifty little clue... www.space.com...

With enough patience and looking in the right place, you'll find a picture of a prototype vasimr engine and articles about it and m2p2... amongst many others....
please also remember... the US goverment is 50 years technologically ahead of it's general public... what may be simple prototypes to us may be working systems to them.... Once you have a prototype, it's child's play to build the real thing.....

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Oh well I tried. I tried to give a little "hard" evidence to support my claim. But what I found is another who simply "implies" he knows more than anyone else, and we are too stupid t
o do searches on the internet. He wants us to waste our time instead, searching for things he has proof of. Life goes on.

GetReal I really think you need to mellow out and start thinking outside the box a little.

Its quite possible that he's a loon and the whole "I have proof but you have to find it" is a load of crap.

Its equally possible, if rather unlikely, that he actually does have proof but wants you to do some back ground first.

Consider a few parallels.

You walk up to Stephen Hawkings and say "stevie old chap, tell me how the universe works"

Steves in a bit of a rush so instead of starting to tell you about somthing that requires at least a degree in physics to understand he says (in his wacky robotic voice)

"First you need some back ground, before I start telling you about anti protons and string theory, go and get a degree in physics and then come back to me, that way what I say will make sense rather than sounding like a lot of gibberish"

consider another possibility, you walk up to a nuclear scientist and say "Nukey old chap, show me how to make a Nuclear bomb"

I for one would tell you to go away and research the dangers of plutonium before I considered showing you how to turn it into a viable weapon.

Try not to let your skepticism retard your obvious desire for a scientific approch to all this stuff.

I think I am very mellow, and explain myself in a very straight forward way. And I totallydisagree with you on education. I think anyone who is truley interested in educating people will help them "UNCONDITIONALLY". I don't think they will make them pass stupid little tests to prove them worthy of their superior knowledge. That just makes me think the guy doesn't know what hes talking about which is, unfortunately, usually the case.

You subscribe to the concept of having to take "stupid little tests" in order to gain superior knowledge if you were ever part of an education system.

You don't send a kindegarten child to university to get a degree because they simply wouldn't have the back ground necessary to understand what they were being taught.

Driving a car may be a usefull way of getting around but would you really want to teach somone who hadn't yet learnt to walk?

Its quite probably that this guy has no proof, thats not the point though, the point is that we simply don't know and as empirical investigators into this phenomenon its best to avoid such value judgements.

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Well I guess I believe in the there are no silly questions (just silly answers) idea. What does it hurt to publish your knowledge, if the person who asks for it doesn't understand it then it may benifit someone else. What do you think scientific journals are for. But as i have said there aren't many referenced in this place, just the usual I KNOW and YOU DON'T HAHAHA.

Just to save the conspiracy people some time I know that publishing such world shaking documents might fall into the wrong hands and KABOOOOM!!

well, I'm currently sitting in a large institution full of academics. None of them are working on anything that would go KABOOM (except the mars lander and only then if it fails to launch)
However I do know that if I shoved any of their findings onto the web for the world to see I'd not only loose my job but I'd also loose the institute money.

And were talking fairly mundane theoretical bits and bobs, nothing earth shattering like a gravity drive.

Quiet one on this board works with lasers, I'm sure he'll drop bits of info now and again but I don't expect he'll clearly define what he's working on nor would he publish his results on the web when he's finished, its not good business sense, so in a sense both he and I are people with knowledge that you don't have available to you who simply can't detail it here.

partly because it is irrelevant to the subjects discussed but mostly because when its published we intend to sell it.
Call it protecting ones academic investment if you will.

Now here, on the web, discussing UFO's we're faced with bigger fish. earth shattering documents.

these documents, if real, will not be publicly available because somone wants them to be (one doubts Boing wants details of their next gravity drive plastered all over the web for their competitors to see) They will be available because they have been leaked and contain information that can only really be understood by people who have read background information which has not been leaked.

Substantiating this information is therefor an almost impossible task, like the parable of the three blind wise men trying to describe an elephant.

just because what they describe sounds nothing like a real elephant, doesn't mean that thats not what they are in contact with and describing.

I give you one thing you can type a whole lot faster than me.

Well I have a simple solution, anyone not wanting to post their proof should not post their theory, simple as that. I think thats fair.

Now will that stiffle the transfer of knowledge, NO. Because what does it help when someone wants to let the world know aliens have the knowledge of antigravity. He can't prove it but obvioulsy they do, look at their ships. Well maybe hes wrong maybe they have HYPERGRAVITY. knowledge/theories like that are useless. Because "green cheese from the moon" is as good as any answer to statements like that as any other explanation.

NO PROOF NO POST that should be everyones motto.

So your suggestion for an active message board is that no one should expound on theories unless they are allready proven knowledge?

hmmm, maybe I'm just too holistic.

Its true people who post things like "YESTERDAY I WAS ABDUCTED I KNOW BECAUSE I HAD THIS DREAM!!!" annoy me, but I'd rather they said it so we could all start discecting why they feel this has happened and disceminate their belief into fact and fiction rather than dismiss it out right.

Besides, how would you go about proveing your theory of anti gravity?

I'm a fairly well educated person but if somone started to rattle off a complex algebraic theorum backed up with detailed schematics of who knows what I'd be utterly lost.

Am I supposed to dismiss this "proof" simply because I lack the academic knowledge to understand it?

I would LOVE! to see a really good photograph of a UFO, In fact 've seen a few, some are obvious fakes, others I have no idea, but one things for sure, with my limited understanding of photography and photoshop, I am not equipped to say wether some images are real or not.

if you are then maybe you can cast your eye over some of the pictures on this board and tell us all what they are referencing why and how you know them to be real / fake etc.

I think we are arguing the same thing. I didn't say it had to be difinitive proof. A bad faked picture is proof, it will be exposed easily though. I have no problem with someone saying they had a dream, I'm sure they did, but it doesn't prove anything.

People can say that they visited Reptoids on alpha centuri all they want, and if their entire proof is they said it, I will make my descision on that (i think you know what my descision would be in that case).

But if they have the proof and are not willing to share it and just wave it in your face, then they can keep it to themselves.
Because in those cases "I" believe they don't know anything.

fair enough.

.........of course if they really have been abducted by reptoids from the planet arcturus....what the hell are they doing on the internet!
thats some broad band connection.

You can't prove anything on a forum like this. That's not possible. The other party might not accept whatever proof you have. He might try to rationalize it or something...