Racial Profiling Of Muslims

wow, this is a scary thread.
i am quite speechless as to what is being suggested here (especially by dgtempe)

and again, i keep seeing....moderate muslims should do something....and again, i will ask...as i have asked many times in response to this statement, and never got a good answer.....what can i do?

do you think anyone listens to the voice of the moderate muslim?
Do they heck....even here on ATS, the place to deny ignorance....so many times i have seen people crying out for the moderate voice, and when someone DOES post....they just ignore it and carry on like it had never been posted at all.

this is a depressing day reading all this stuff.

Originally posted by bodrul


why would i want to prove my self? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE A TERRORIST
why should i have to prove that i dont want to cause any harm. BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE A TERRORIST
i dont care what your country thinks of me nor do i care what you think of me (aslong as the people i know, know what i am capible of i am happy)THAT'S OK

if this is the case i want every bishop or what every they are called to prove that they wont mollest kids -SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN

i want every white person to prove that they arent racists and dont want to clense the planet of us, BUT WE DONT GO AROUND BLOWING OURSELVES UP* AND THAT IS THE QUESTION HERE.



list can go on



[edit on 16-8-2006 by bodrul]

i AM TRYING TO PROVE A POINT. This good for nothing so called "president" started it all, by, i believe, (and i will always believe it) FALSELY accusing Muslims of 9/11 and every other thing that goes wrong.
I am not putting you down...I am putting the presidency and this administration down. In the process, someone has to suffer.
Since its Muslims this country is after.....then its Muslims we MUST PROFILE.

You see??? Why should I be profiled? Why should my 80 year old mother be profiled? I know Muslims come in all colors, so, brand them and identify the "enemy" at airports and everywhere. Maybe you dont get my point. I dont mince words. We are at war with an enemy who according to Bush and the conservative right wants to kill us. All i'm proposing is a way to identify the potential enemies. That's all.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
the terrorist are muslims.. most muslims are arabic.. doesn't it make sense to check arabics?

Can you cite your sources?

For one, not all terrorists are "muslim." Some may call themselves "muslim" but they astray from the teachings of Islam.

Second, "most muslims are arabic" is also a false statement. The largest popluation of Muslims hails in Africa, with the largest single state to have the greatest population of Muslim being Indonesia in South East Asia with a population of 195,272,000 Muslims.

Third, doesn't it make sense to check your facts?

dgtempe wrote
You see??? Why should I be profiled? Why should my 80 year old mother be profiled? I know Muslims come in all colors, so, brand them and identify the "enemy" at airports and everywhere. Maybe you dont get my point. I dont mince words. We are at war with an enemy who according to Bush and the conservative right wants to kill us. All i'm proposing is a way to identify the potential enemies. That's all

i am still kind of hoping that it turns out you are being sarcastic here.
But still....if you're not....why should *I* be profiled? why should my 9yr old daughter be profiled?
and what exactly do you mean by "branding"....?

dgtempe
I think your speaking in tounges....known as sarcasim? At least I hope so.

Okay, I'm sorry, but it appears you're losing it. Do you not realize that those of us who will not agree with the singular thought that pervades most of your post here at ATS...

"BUSH IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL"

aren't necessarily wrong? Neither are you, but we're just another opinion.

dg - nobody is going to agree with your idea to brand all Muslims. And your idea - which is your attempt to be facetious, but isn't playing out well - stems from your obsession that the idea that the allegation "19 extremist followers of Islam hijacked four planes and killed over 2000 people on 9/11" is a big phat lie concocted by the Bush administration who turns out to be who really did the 9/11 attacks!

Just because you obsess on a belief doesn't make it so, dg. There are some of us out here actually trying to still sift through the facts of the day. And there are some of us out here that look at the evidence of the day and say "where the heck does she get that?"

YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THE DATA BY OBSESSING.

Maybe this is why you keep throwing up Board BB&Q threads about how "you're not being respected". Are you equating us not just saying "yeah, you're right!" to not respecting you? Well, you're wrong. I can totally reject your position and still respect you...but when you start this crap, it starts getting harder. You and your 80 year old mother get to endure the INCONVENIENCE of today's world the same way me and my 80 year old mother get to endure it.

Cake and eat it too come to mind - but more than that, I almost wish we could hand Bush over to you so you could get your anger out of your system, do the dufus in, and then see that the next attack on America by people who are misled, wrong in the head, and at the same time right in their fed-up feeling of our bad foreign policies - DON'T WORK FOR BUSH - and then STFU.

Because you stating your opinion as fact - over and over again - then getting all pissed off at us who still are considering the data and refuse to accept nothing more than YOUR OPINION AS FACT, and then WHINING about us not agreeing with you...IS GETTING OLD.

Some one said to me the other day in a totally different topic that I was the "angriest person they'd ever met"....Well, I beg to differ, short of some blinding bias that made them not see it, they obviously have not met you!

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[edit on 16-8-2006 by jsobecky]

It is what i beleive. Shouldnt i post what i believe???

I meant every word and if someone does not agree, that's ok too. I dont obcess,

Whats' done is done. This miserable president, mentally ill, has called for us to fear Muslims. HE has looked straight at the camera and said we are fighting "evil" and i am just trying to make it easier for those of us who dont have a drop of Muslim blood.

But enough, i will leave the thread to you, ....BTW, its so hard to tell whose side you're on, Vall.....One day you call Bush (I'm paraphrasing) incompetent, the next day you're worried about a dude buying cellular phones. You seem to be on the fence on a lot of issues. At least i'm consistently against HIM.

Sorry if i interfered by stating how i feel. The president said.....so, i'm trying to come up with some game plan.

But enough out of me.

Originally posted by ferretman2
Your question is MOOT....becasue the KKK (or whatever is left of them) is not flying planes into buidings.

You can not answer a hypothetical question like that because inorder for the KKK to be able to do terrorist attacks over and over again in this country law and order system would not be like it is today, inother words the entire make-up, behavior, etc of this country would be different.

Since that is not the case and the KKK is not prevailent anymore your question is moot.

So your standpoint in this is that whatever the group's race that flys planes into buildings should be racially profiled, while others who commit other terroristic acts should be left alone? If you want an example of the KKK being terrorist, then look at:

boston.com




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[edit on 16-8-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

dgtempe
i used to have respect for you, i liked your posts, but in this thread, you have shown a different side.
You did not retract your statements, you did not say you were, indeed, being sarcastic. And you didnt bother to answer me when i asked what you meant by "branding", or when i asked why should my 9yr old daughter should be profiled?

Maybe this will help put the problem of racial profiling into perspective with those who advocate it:

If a grocery store were robbed more than once, and the criminal(s) were of hispanic orgin, and male, then they get caught, should to police continue to arrest male hispanics in order to keep the grocery store from being robbed? The answer is no. Why continue to racially profile if you already have the criminal?

Originally posted by geek101
dgtempe
i used to have respect for you, i liked your posts, but in this thread, you have shown a different side.
You did not retract your statements, you did not say you were, indeed, being sarcastic. And you didnt bother to answer me when i asked what you meant by "branding", or when i asked why should my 9yr old daughter should be profiled?

Not that i care- but i will tell you again. Our president wants us to fear Muslims. The terrorists are Muslims. Those who want to blow us up appear to be Muslims. Everything has to do with Muslims. Follow me? According to Bush, we have a problem with MUSLIMS..ok? The world trade center, the enemy are MUSLIMS. Now that i said that- i will tell you again that the ones we must profile are MUSLIMS.
You jumped in here and didnt bother to read the previous threads where i tell the readers that i have Muslims in my family and i love them.

Go back and do some reading. Dont patronize me by telling me you lost respect for me...save it, please.

Originally posted by dgtempeYou jumped in here and didnt bother to read the previous threads where i tell the readers that i have Muslims in my family and i love them.

actually i did read the whole thread, and i did see that bit which is why i thought you were being sarcastic. Seems like you're having a crazy day instead, in which case i'll leave you alone.

as for me being patronising....how the hell is that being patronising???....ok, fair enough, it means sod all to you that i have lost any respect i had for you, but dont accuse me of being patronising....i was merely stating a fact.
Anyone who has read your posts before and then read these ones, would have probably thought the same as me....WTF is going on??

I really like these threads, even if they do turn into train wrecks.

They prove that for every extremist who wishes to brand people and peddle racism there are two or three who will bring logic to the table and say "no, I will not stand for this."

Just because you have an opinion on something does not mean it should be respected by the masses. You will be harassed by logic, cajoled by truth and mocked gracefully by the forces of reason.

Branding muslims? Pass the bucket please. Racial profiling does not work and has never worked. As has been put previously, Islam is an open religion and the followers are not of one creed or colour.

You can't spot a bad person by looking. So don't try.

You want to stop terrorism? Stop being terrorised. Not every person of coloured skin is a suicide bomber. Not everyone is trying to kill you, you're really not that important.

Can you guess my religion by looking at me? Didn't think so.

They are now introducing behavior profiling so this whole issue should go away soon. (I hope)

The Isreali's have been using behavior profiling for ages since they really can't discriminate on religion or arab folks. Those are the majority of their passengers. The last time someone tried to blow up an Isreali airliner was 20 years ago and she was Irish, and they caught her.

Behavior profiling is having uniformed and un-uniformed people, who are trained to spot the people acting like they are going to blow up a plane, moving around the passengers and watching for clues. If someone is fidgity or avoiding eye contact and moving away from uniformed officers....etc, etc, etc....They are trained to spot the folks that just aren't acting like they are on their way home.

The sooner the airlines get this in place the sooner the whole profiling mess will be done with.

wupy

So rather than profile a few, we will profile the whole world. That's the right thing to do. Right? Just so we dont hurt any feelings.

The more hurt the feelings the more the world will see this goober of a president for what he really is. This is all boogeyman stuff. Muslims are good people, but i also dont want my 10 year old nephew being almost stripped naked at the airport.

Whatever.....it doesnt matter. You're all under the NWO spell. God help us

(this is not directed at you, Mr Wupy)

[edit on 16-8-2006 by dgtempe]

While I don't advocate racial profiling, I WOULD like to see a little more common sense employed by security personnel in general....

i.e. concentrate on the following fliers meeting multiples of these criteria:
1. Cash customers
2. Flight patterns in Middle Eastern countries in a short period of time
3. Lone passengers
4. Young men (teens to thirties)
5. Acting nervous
6. Those with no checked baggage
7. One-way tickets
8. Travel plans involving major cities
9. Beards
10. First Class

Someone meeting 4 or more of these are certainly a better search target (and that would include me) than a little old lady, a young female, an older male, a family, etc.

One of the problems with racial profiling is that it doesn't work!

People seem to think that our efforts against terrorism are somehow being hampered by not using racial profiling.

Consider this, there are more muslims in the UK than there are in afghanistan. Why does anyone think that if we examine 'all muslims as muslims', or pay special attention to the fact the some people are muslim, that this will solve our problems? Everyone being searched in afghanistan is a muslim, and it doesn't stop terrorism.

Whats more, casual inspections or the types of stops that can even make use of racial profiling won't stop terrorism, period.

Having airport screeners give anal probes to every "muslim looking mutha effer" on line won't stop terrorism. Airport screeners and the like won't stop terrorism or defeat al-qaida. The only thing that these 'first level' defenders can do is make their inspections random enough so as to make any would be terrorist wary of trying to get through. If all muslims are stopped, they will get people that absolutely don't look like muslims. If all males between the ages of 18-35 are stopped, they will get 50 year old men to do it. If women in burkas are stopped, they will send out young nubile half naked hotties.

Hmm, can't we at least do that!? I mean, given one of the other....