Bill Ryan and Project Camelot - video interviews a COMPULSORY watch!

Originally posted by m3rlz
i still cannot seem to download more than 50 MB of the interview with Mr. Lear (in either format), or any of the other interviews in their entirety... would someone please upload this to google video or something? projectcamelot just does not seem to like me for some reason, d'oh!

It's not you.. the site has been repeatedly 'jammed' by server requests to deliberately stem the flow of information. The plot thickens! Anyway it seems that they are in the process of a solution to this, I hope so, as the interviews are all fascinating without exception. John, you wrote about seeing the 5 hours of Dan Burisch video.. did you watch the Project Camelot interview? Would love to hear your thoughts on that. And how it correlates to the 'Henry Deacon' interview on the same page.. there's definitely some common ground there.

Originally posted by RiotComing

John, you wrote about seeing the 5 hours of Dan Burisch video.. did you watch the Project Camelot interview? Would love to hear your thoughts on that. And how it correlates to the 'Henry Deacon' interview on the same page.. there's definitely some common ground there.

Haven't yet, but I will try and find the time.

Project Camelot

Testifying before the U.S. Congress in 1965, R.L. Sproul, director of DARPA said: "It is [our] primary thesis that remote area warfare is controlled in a major way by the environment in which the warfare occurs, by the sociological and anthropological characteristics of the people involved in the war, and by the nature of the conflict itself."54

The recognition within DOD that research and development efforts to support counterinsurgency operations must be oriented toward the local human terrain led to the establishment of the Special Operations Research Office (SORO) at the American University in Washington, D.C. With anthropologists and other social scientists on staff, SORO functioned as a research center into the human dimension of counterinsurgency. Many SORO reports took a unique approach. In 1964, the Army commissioned an unusual paper titled "Witchcraft, Sorcery, Magic, and Other Psychological Phenomena, and Their Implications on Military and Paramilitary Operations in the Congo." Authored by James R. Price and Paul Jureidini, the report is a treatise on paranormal combat, discussing "counter-magic" tactics to suppress rebels who are backed by witch doctors, charms, and magic potions.55

In 1964, SORO also designed the infamous Project Camelot. According to a letter from the Office of the Director of the Special Operations Research Office, Project Camelot was "a study whose objective [was] to determine the feasibility of developing a general social systems model which would make it possible to predict and influence politically significant aspects of social change in the developing nations of the world." The project's objectives were "to devise procedures for assessing the potential for internal war within national societies; to identify with increased degrees of confidence those actions which a government might take to relieve conditions which are assessed as giving rise to a potential for internal war; [and] to assess the feasibility of prescribing the characteristics of a system for obtaining and using the essential information needed for doing the above two things."56

Project Camelot, which was initiated during a time when the military took counterinsurgency seriously as an area of competency, recognized the need for social science insights. According to the director's letter: "Within the Army there is especially ready acceptance of the need to improve the general understanding of the processes of social change if the Army is to discharge its responsibilities in the overall counterinsurgency program of the U.S. Government."57

Chile was to be the first case study for Project Camelot. Norwegian sociologist Johan Galtung was invited to design a seminar for Project Camelot. Although he refused, he shared information about the project with colleagues. Meanwhile, Hugo Nuttini, who taught anthropology at the University of Pittsburgh, accepted an assignment for Project Camelot in Chile. While there, he concealed Camelot's military origin, but word leaked out. Protests arose from Chile's newspapers and legislature and the Chilean Government lodged a diplomatic protest with the U.S. Ambassador. In Washington, D.C., following congressional hearings on the subject, McNamara canceled Project Camelot in 1965.

From the army's own web site.

video.google.com...

Bill Ryan is not interested in facts or truth. Rather, he is more interested in promoting the stories.

There is a lengthy Q&A with Bill Ryan related to all of this here.

But before you read that, it may be helpful to read the Serpo expose that can be found here

Here's someone who sent themselves an envelope purported to be from his serpo "Anon" while attending a UFO conference in Laughlin earlier this year. What does that tell you about his integrity?

The word "charlatan" comes to mind for some reason.

Please, this thread is NOT about Bill Ryan. Do you have anything of value to add about the video interviewees? The purpose of this thread is to discuss the interesting subjects brought up by the video dialogue (which Bill Ryan himself evidently has very minimal, if any, visible input). Feel free to debunk any of the topics covered in the interviews, but the anti-Bill stuff is not going to promote healthy discussion.

If you look at the brand new Ralph Ring interview for example, he discusses some AMAZING stuff - such as free energy = this has implications for ALL OF US you know? Do you know what Mr Ring and Otis Carr were told when they presented their ideas for antigravity transportation / home + business free power generation to General Motors? He said "if you put em up there, we'll shoot them down" - "you're advocating an energy field that there's no money involved - no means of controlling". Their antigravity experiments were shut down by men in black and Otis Carr's health rapidly deteriorated after that. Y'know? This stuff is VERY IMPORTANT for us all to know! Seriously, leave your misgivings about Bill Ryan at the door, because this is NOT what this thread is intended to discuss. People have been beaten over the head with Serpo, frankly we've had enough of it. Ralph Ring is talking about how the 'higher mind' can physically energize and collectively power the destination of a craft and he details an experiment that proves it. He proves the very same thing that David Icke talks about - the one mind spirit that we are all collectively a part of and we are creating it- this isn't new age wacky-doodlery - this is from a brilliant scientist who bluntly recalls how his 1950s cutting edge experiments with free energy were forbidden and destroyed by his government employers, and later when he worked with Carr (Tesla protege). These are nuggets of gold Dr Steven Greer would appreciate - everything is falling into place and making sense. Project Camelot is doing a good service here, regardless what you think of Mr Ryan.

We are talking about the synthesis of mind power and science power. The other interview with Michael St Clair echoes the exact same thing. Can't you see, drawing all the commonalities together.. there is a pattern.. humanity is not being allowed to evolve to a higher level of technology and understanding. It's all so painfully obvious. For once, stop with the Bill Ryan this, Bill Ryan that... and talk about the more important things - the real issues facing us all. For crying out loud!



[edit on 26-10-2006 by RiotComing]

Originally posted by RiotComing

Please, this thread is NOT about Bill Ryan.

Seriously, leave your misgivings about Bill Ryan at the door, because this is NOT what this thread is intended to discuss.

Project Camelot is doing a good service here, regardless what you think of Mr Ryan.

For once, stop with the Bill Ryan this, Bill Ryan that... and talk about the more important things - the real issues facing us all. For crying out loud!



[edit on 26-10-2006 by RiotComing]

Check out the title YOU gave this thread, my friend.

Bill Ryan and Project Camelot - video interviews a COMPULSORY watch!

If you wanted to talk about "free energy" or other potential items of interest, perhaps you should have considered NOT using Bill Ryan's name in your title, and found other legitimate resources to use to prove your point.



From where I sit, Bill Ryan IS Project Camelot. Since Bill Ryan is a proven hoaxer and charlatan, Project Camelot is nothing more than the latest channel to promulgate more unproven stories.





[edit on 27-10-2006 by Shawnna]

I would be only too happy to edit the thread title if I were able to do so. I used Bill's name initially because I realised that yes he was burnt badly by Serpo but here he is, doing positive things for disclosure.

Now I have to ask you Shawnna, you are writing off ALL the material here because of BR.. have you actually watched any of these videos? Do you think Ralph Ring is a charlatan? Is Gary MacKinnon a charlatan? Is John Lear a charlatan? Are they all talking from out of their behinds?

Originally posted by RiotComing
Now, I realise Bill Ryan's reputation at ATS is not the best. The Serpo debacle brought him nothing but scorn, pitchforks and distrust. In spite of this, I found Bill's postings here to be gentlemanly, and like the rest of us here, trying to get to the truth of the matter. He admitted himself that Serpo was a platform for the information to come to light, that there was the possibility that the information could be partly or completely false. Serpo turned out to be a hoax, and well.. Bill Ryan became nothing but a dirty smell around here.
[edit on 9-8-2006 by RiotComing]

I've seen one film so far with the archiver person that seemed legit. I liked the way that Bill didn't try to lead the answers and I felt he stayed back enough to let the person talk.

That woman interviewer is a real b!t@h if you ask me.

The interview didn't reveal anything new or anything that I could disagree with but there was one significant thing: the mentioning of the orange aliens which is known about but rarely common knowledge.

The archiver knows what he knows but not much beyond that point even though I think he may have supplemented his hands on with some ufo lore in a few spots.

I'll try to see more of the flicks and thanks for linking to the page with all of them.

Now on to Serpo:

I find it amazing that some people have made a nice career for themselves around here discrediting Serpo while doing the following:

- pointing out that one thing or several things wrong invalidates a story or concept
- not clueing in that analogy/fiction is a method to reveal truths that the state dislikes
- not knowing much about the topic themselve but becoming professional critics

For all that there is great rewards for some.

Originally posted by RiotComing
I would be only too happy to edit the thread title if I were able to do so. I used Bill's name initially because I realised that yes he was burnt badly by Serpo but here he is, doing positive things for disclosure.

Why do you believe promoting individuals and their stories without using even the most reasonable methods of validating facts is doing anything positive for disclosure?

Had you bothered to read the link to the Q&A I posted earlier that Bill himself created, you'd see he admits he doesn't do any fact checking whatsoever.

BTW - how exactly did Bill convince you to come here and try to somehow paint him in a positive light?

Now I have to ask you Shawnna, you are writing off ALL the material here because of BR.. have you actually watched any of these videos? Do you think Ralph Ring is a charlatan? Is Gary MacKinnon a charlatan? Is John Lear a charlatan? Are they all talking from out of their behinds?

The fact of the matter is that because Bill has refused to do even the most rudimentary fact checking, I won't waste my time on his website. That's just me. I have enough legitimate research on my plate that I don't waste time looking at known hoaxers and charlatans.

With respect to Ralph Ring, Gary MacKinnon, or John Lear, I have not looked into any of their claims so I do not have an opinion one way or the other. However, because they have chosen to associate with a known hoaxer and charlatan, I would be reluctant to looking into any of their claims.

You know what they say about birds of a feather......

Hi Shawnna, no I haven't read that Q&A, I've been out at a function and just come home. And no, I've been stressing that we shouldn't even think about BR, and discuss the participants and the topics raised instead. So I'm not painting him in a light of any particular colour, if it were to be any kind of hue it would be a shadow, as he appears to take a back seat in most of the proceedings. Which is fine, he's letting the people tell their stories unhindered. It's interesting you say none of the participants are validating facts. If anything, it's drawing the strings together and corroberating pretty much every theory floating around out there - that's the fascinating thing about Camelot for me. Every speaker, without exception, has engendered my reaction of "yeah! that makes total sense! that's exactly what so-and-so-said" like missing jigsaw pieces falling into place.

It's your decision in the end if you choose to ignore what these people are bringing to the table. Fine with me.

Listen to this man when he talks about Orgone, etc.

You will notice if you do research you will find that cloud busters are also used in breaking Chemtrails. Yes, those Chemtrails most of you do not believe in.

All of this is connected and one day you will come to this knowledge.
Ufo's. chemtrails, Orgone, cloud busters.

You can make cloud busters that work with just putting the pipe and makings into the ground it doesn't have to be in water. You can make them for several dollars with pipe, coil shavings, crystals and a few other cheap items, which you can get at Walmart and the car supply stores like Pep Boys.

Do a search and you will not only see you will learn the more you look.

Many in the Chemtrail sector are building these and placing them on there properties making creations for the home, Zappers and many different things.

As he says this can give you proof and you may see UFO's for yourself in time. Even he says what I have tried to tell you guys. ALL THEM THERE STARS AREN'T REALLY STARS.





[edit on 27-10-2006 by observe50]

Originally posted by RiotComing
Hi Shawnna, no I haven't read that Q&A, I've been out at a function and just come home. And no, I've been stressing that we shouldn't even think about BR, and discuss the participants and the topics raised instead. So I'm not painting him in a light of any particular colour, if it were to be any kind of hue it would be a shadow, as he appears to take a back seat in most of the proceedings.

Which is fine, he's letting the people tell their stories unhindered. It's interesting you say none of the participants are validating facts. If anything, it's drawing the strings together and corroberating pretty much every theory floating around out there - that's the fascinating thing about Camelot for me. Every speaker, without exception, has engendered my reaction of "yeah! that makes total sense! that's exactly what so-and-so-said" like missing jigsaw pieces falling into place.

It's your decision in the end if you choose to ignore what these people are bringing to the table. Fine with me.

Hi RiotComing, I'm getting the sense that your only in-depth experience with Bill is via the videos his new project has produced.



I suggest a little more research is needed before you make a judgement as to his integrity. The Q&A and expose are both quite eye-opening and worth your effort to read. Additionally, the serpo thread here at ATS is also reflective of Bill's complicity in that hoax.

That said, I agree with you 100% that these story-tellers are good - very, very good.

For those unwilling to do more than see the connecting dots, they paint a might compelling picture.

There are quite a few who have been caught up in the Burisch saga in particular, and have been hurt both financially and emotionally. It is because so many get hurt when hoaxers are successful that I am firm in my belief that they must be exposed over and over again so those who come into this without the history are not misled. You must due your own homework. With respect to Burisch in particular, all of the background and history can be found here.



Giving Bill Ryan and his new project free advertisement here on ATS is shameful - given the fact that he is a proven hoaxer and charlatan. This is why I responded to your thread.

It is one thing to want to discuss 'free energy' or any of the multitude of other topics that are of vital importance to us all.

It is quite another to spotlight a known hoaxer and charlatan and claim their latest project is a COMPULSORY watch.

Originally posted by Shawnna
I suggest a little more research is needed before you make a judgement as to his integrity. The Q&A and expose are both quite eye-opening and worth your effort to read. Additionally, the serpo thread here at ATS is also reflective of Bill's complicity in that hoax.

The original Serpo counter-point website is still available here on ATS:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Shawnna, I've taken the time to read the 7-page Q&A and for the record, I see absolutely nothing sinister or dishonest about Bill Ryan's motives. On the other hand, your own demeanour towards him is insulting and condescending. I'm sorry, it had to be said.

I stand by my thread title; the content at Project Camelot is a compulsory watch. Free energy and corporate oppression / suppression for example, is no joke. These things _have_ to be laid out in the open. Please, let's discuss the content. Not personalities. You've made your point. Any further thread derailment attempts will do absolutely nothing to foster disclosure issue awareness.

RiotComing

Thnx for the link to this site,wich is new to me.
Im gonna check out the videos there.Looks interesting..

I just watched the Dan Burisch interview and I must say that it was pretty fascinating. I ask myself how anyone could possibly make that up? It was so in depth and detailed that you have to wonder if it is all fiction, why not put that talent to better use writing books and making millions?

The John Lear interview was interesting too. A question I have is didn't Bill Cooper in one of his videos accuse Lear of being a CIA disinfo agent? Then in Lear's interview he accuses Cooper of having "UFO disease" and eventually making things up. Who's what is what I want to know, but we're kind of left at a loss because one of the two was whacked out.

It definitely is a tangled web that's been weaved.

Peace

Originally posted by RiotComing
Shawnna, I've taken the time to read the 7-page Q&A and for the record, I see absolutely nothing sinister or dishonest about Bill Ryan's motives. On the other hand, your own demeanour towards him is insulting and condescending. I'm sorry, it had to be said.

No need to apologize; I've been quite open and honest about my feelings for individuals who perpetuate hoaxes with what appears to be wanton abandon.



And I never said there was anything sinister or dishonest in what Bill said in the Q&A. My point in having you read it was to see for yourself that he was quite clear he has no intention of verifying facts or claimed credentials.

Perhaps you are not concerned about Bill's lack of integrity but there are those who would prefer not to support con-men and charlatans in any way, shape, or form. I am one of them.

If you choose to support the work of known hoaxers, that is of course, your choice.



[edit on 27-10-2006 by Shawnna]

Riotcoming..

Why get mad at people not "positively responding" to your thread because they don't believe it because... there's no proof... its fiction.. because there's no proof.. proof is kind of important when your dealing with such technical matters, and of course I and I'm sure many others would agree such intelligent men, as they claim, could come up with some kind of proof.

John Lear..

No disrespect intended but..

You also spread these stories about giant space ships, humans on other planets and yet you also offer no proof. None what so ever. Venus looks like Earth and has Humans living there?? ... Where are the satellite images to show that?.. A soul collector on the moon? .. Where is the satellite photos that prove that? Your moon photos show rock formations, you claim they where or are a mine of some kind, where is the equipment, where are the people, where are the structures, where is the evidence!!!!

Will you die and leave your stories to be forgotten as science fiction, or will leave behind a legacy and show proof and actual evidence.. heck even a well thought, educated, scientific explanation of how the things you claim are even possible.

OK, please give your response if you bother to respond some thought, and do not one line remark me with how dense I am or some other kind of not-very-nice remark. Thanks.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Riotcoming..

Why get mad at people not "positively responding" to your thread because they don't believe it because... there's no proof... its fiction.. because there's no proof.. proof is kind of important when your dealing with such technical matters, and of course I and I'm sure many others would agree such intelligent men, as they claim, could come up with some kind of proof.

Well, have you watched the interviews? Depends on your definition of 'proof' but I'm seeing plenty of proof. Wouldn't you be slightly annoyed if you have someone gatecrashing your thread attacking the role of Bill Ryan, who is consciously allowing the free flow of information - the participants are speaking freely from their hearts and minds and it's downright fascinating. Bill Ryan has very little to do with the overall authenticity of Project Camelot. If you are going to accuse people of being hoaxers, accuse Bill Hamilton. accuse John Lear. Accuse Gary McKinnon. Accuse Ralph Ring. Dan Burisch. Michael St Clair. These are the people speaking out - NOT Bill Ryan. Bill Ryan is invisible in my eyes. He's doing an excellent job of remaining impartial and just getting all the info out. If you're going to point fingers, point it at those providing the material. Not BR. That is pathetic. And ignorant.

Perhaps I should qualify what I'm saying - if you're going to say 'Dan Burisch is full of baloney'. That's fine. If you say 'John Lear is having you all on', well fine, you're welcome to your opinion on the PARTICIPANTS. But coming here with 'Bill Ryan blah blah blah..' is not helpful. You barely see a peep out of BR in the interviews. I'm saying yes, debunk the subjects and the content, yes feel free to voice your concerns with the topics at hand. But really, to focus solely on BR.. not good form.

[edit on 27-10-2006 by RiotComing]