The most Credible Quotes concerning UFOs. Astronauts, World Leaders, Scientists ...

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Interesting question. Why do astronauts talk in an obvious code, if there is nothing to hide from the general public?

Why use code? Simple enough question, one would think.

I do not have any problem accepting that supposed transcription of a supposed conversation between the astronauts and the mission control, if the source of the transcription is a credible source.

After all, you named this thread "The most Credible Quotes concerning UFOs. Astronauts, World Leaders, Scientists", so I suppose that must be a credible source...

I understand cowboy's point, but like him, I appreciate the effort to bring all of these quotes together in one thread.

I think when done posting all these quotes, it would be a good idea to identify all of the sources and who they are/were, what controveries there were, etc.

p.s. I love the quote by the Unified Field Theory guy.

Originally posted by lost_shaman
I consider my point evidenced, if not proven.

"Angels" in the Bible are not World Leaders. They are not Scientists. And they are not Astronauts, unless you consider them E.T.'s from Space at which point I'd say you certainly represent the "Lunatic Fringe".

Again I'm asking why with all these great people with their great quotes do you need to introduce "Angels" and common phrases from the Bible to make your point about UFOs and "Astronauts, World Leaders, Scientists ..."

I opoligize for having gotten a little defensive in my precious posts. And on this issue, it is apparent that we will more than likely dissagree.

I feel there must be some level of credibility to the bible, considering it's relevence throughout the history of the world to people.

Astronauts have quoted it, and read from it while transmitting from space.

World leaders are sworn in by it, and take an oath that invokes "God" in it.

Testimonies in courts of law were preceded by swearing with a bible.



There are many phrases in the bible that could be interpretted as a record of encounters with other worldly visitations. I understand the reluctance to believe in the possibility of contact having occurred in our distant past, and having been recorded. Your skepticism is justified. However, to discount it entirely would be adopting a state of mind that accepts unequivically that any life anywhere in the universe never came here is to adopt a state of mind that discounts a possible truth. In other words, you the observer has chosen to not experience or observe any information that may indicate we have been visited in the past. Not only our past, but you are discounting any extra-terrestrial life visiting this planet and it's life since life has existed here.

I may be a kook on the "lunatic fringe", but i would much rather be a kook who is right, rather than a sane person who is wrong.

I simply can not discount the wording of many phrases in the bible as being something that could not be describing alien visitations.

And, furthermore, i think it takes a great amount of assumption to say Angels are not world travellers (astronauts), or scientists, or world leaders.

Their messages are followed by the majority of the planet, to include astronauts, world leaders, and scientists.

I did not quote every instance in the bible that a lot of people interpret as possibly involving other worldly travelers. I quoted just their most spoken key phrase, the way they often introduced themselves, which apparently greatly offended you.

I stand by my choice to quote what our history has recorded.

"Be not afraid".

Three rather small words.

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Originally posted by Access Denied

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

If the next quote is one you can choose to disregard, you need help.

"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, N.Mex., in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fiber optic technologies, Particle beams, Electromagnetic propulsion systems, Depleted uranium projectiles, Stealth capabilities, and many others! How do I know? I was in charge! (A matter of public record)I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it.
--Colonel Philip Corso Army Intelligence officer, former head of the Foreign Technology at the U.S. Army's Research and Development department at the Pentagon. Four years director of intelligence on President Eisenhower's White House National Security Staff

You were doing OK up until this point until you made this baseless accusation. We need help? You need to do your home work on this one as well as many of the others.

Sorry, could you explain how the accusation was baseless, and what you exactly meant?

One of the prices we pay for conspiracy theories is that we are educating a generation of skeptics who are pessimistic about our way of life, our reward system, and our achievements. I believe in the First Amendment, but there should be responsibility.

My point exactly. If the price we pay is that we are educating a generation of skeptics who are pessimistic, then perhaps people will not believe the statements made by Colonel Philip Corso Army Intelligence officer, former head of the Foreign Technology at the U.S. Army's Research and Development department at the Pentagon. Four years director of intelligence on President Eisenhower's White House National Security Staff.

In which case, they would need help. However, you imply that him making this statement and not being believed somehow makes people like me responsible for people like him not being believed?

lost_shaman,

I respect your position. You are more than entitled to it.

If in your perspective i am on the "lunitic fringe", i can accept that.

It is apparent that what is in question is what is considered a "Credible" source of a quote, and the quote's relevence.

On this issue we simply dissagree.

However, i feel obliged to say in all honesty, I can not keep my integrity intact and be honest with myself, taking into account the sum of all my experiences, and say that there is absolutley no percievable correlation between extra-terrestrials and some statements made in the bible.

I simply would not be honest with myself if i were to say that there is no way any material in the bible could be reflective accounts of encounters with beings from other worlds.

I comprehend well your position. I just humbly dissagree with it.

It is NOT my contention that you are wrong, nor that i am 100% accurate in saying that it is proof of extra-terrestrial interventions with humanity.

I am saying that it may be an error on our part to discount their interpretations of their encounters as not being encounters with other worldly entities.

Originally posted by Access Denied

Carl Sagan said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is no extraordinary evidence supporting claims of UFOs. There’s got to be more than somebody saying they saw something. There could be life on other planets. But intelligent life? There’s a big difference.

The possibility of ancient space visitations was explored by Dr. Carl Sagan (1934–1996) as early as the 1966 convention of the American Astronautical Society.

"Our tiny corner of the universe may have been visited thousands of times in the past few billions of years,"
Sagan stated in Intelligent Life in the Universe (1966), coauthored with I. S. Shklovski.
"At least one of these visits may have occurred in historical times."
Sagan, both an exobiologist and an astronomer, theorized that Earth may have been visited by various galactic civilizations many times during prehistoric times and that it is not out of the question that artifacts of such extraterrestrial visits might still exist, or even that some kind of alien base is maintained within our solar system to provide continuity for successive expeditions.

Even the source of your choice quote, Carl Sagan, could not totally discount the possibility that we have been visited.

Surely if this is the case, then humanity may have some records of such visitations.


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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

I feel there must be some level of credibility to the bible, considering it's relevence throughout the history of the world to people.

There's no doubt the Bible was and has been important to people. However, that is irrelevant.

Astronauts have quoted it, and read from it while transmitting from space.

World leaders are sworn in by it, and take an oath that invokes "God" in it.

Testimonies in courts of law were preceded by swearing with a bible.

Again all those things are irrelevant.

I understand the reluctance to believe in the possibility of contact having occurred in our distant past, and having been recorded. Your skepticism is justified. However, to discount it entirely would be adopting a state of mind that accepts unequivically that any life anywhere in the universe never came here is to adopt a state of mind that discounts a possible truth. In other words, you the observer has chosen to not experience or observe any information that may indicate we have been visited in the past. Not only our past, but you are discounting any extra-terrestrial life visiting this planet and it's life since life has existed here.

Not is not true at all , in fact I've argued that the UFO evidence supports the ETH maybe a hundred times or more here on this Board.

I simply can not discount the wording of many phrases in the bible as being something that could not be describing alien visitations.

In others words you can't prove a negative.

And, furthermore, i think it takes a great amount of assumption to say Angels are not world travellers (astronauts), or scientists, or world leaders.

Well then by your logic we should quote Zeus and other Gods from Greek Mythology because they certainly would be considered "World travellers ( Astronauts ), or Scientists, or World Leaders".

Originally posted by lost_shaman

Again all those things are irrelevant.

What you view as irrelevant i view as a variable to the truth. I view it as a possible piece of the puzzle, and a piece i am not ready to throw away. If this degrades my integrity in the eyes of true UFOologists, it is unfortunate.

In others words you can't prove a negative.

I'm not required to.

Well then by your logic we should quote Zeus and other Gods from Greek Mythology because they certainly would be considered "World travellers ( Astronauts ), or Scientists, or World Leaders".

Can you provide any quotes from Zeus that humanity has passed on for 3,000 years or more?

By my logic I'll say this much:
If you extract all base truth from mythology you would not have mythology to criticize.

If you don't mind, i would rather like to continue to offer quotes of relevence, rather than attempting to impress their relevence. Forgive me, but my time is important, and this conversation is spinning wheels. After so many contributions to this thread, would you care to offer some quotes, or continue to try to belittle my personnal views of possible credability and relevence?

I acknowledge your point of view. I simply don't accept it.



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give the bible at least a bit of credit, there is some historical accuracy to it. the spiritual and religious part of it, well, im not speaking for that.

but historically speaking, alot of it is accurate, even if somewhat politically biased (yes age old politics, but politics nonetheless).

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
First I would like to express my reverence and respect for those who are currently suffering from clinical psychosis and remain in a state of denial. I respect their position and their reluctance to believe we are being visited. Having said that I can not logically look at your credentials and measure them up against the credentials of the following members of humanity and choose to think we are not being visited by galactic neighbors.

This thread will probably be a long read. I will continue to research quotes from prominent and credible members of society, and add them to this thread. I am sure that some quotes may appear to be refutable, but I assure you I am not posting any quotes that I could not find some level of credibility to.

I will begin by presenting supporting links for the information I offer.

I will then simply list direct quotes of our society’s most credible witnesses, to include astronauts, and in later posts in this thread world leaders and other prominent people who held or hold positions of those whom we should safely assume would be “in the know”.

It is my personal belief that the "prophets" and other biblical scribes were and are prominent people and credible members of society who's words have lasted generations and effected the life choices of billions of people on this planet at all levels of our social structures. I think if there were no basis in fact, the "mythology" would not even exist.

To qoute their quotes of visitors is not with some level of credibility, albeit refutable in some views. I think my choice to include the quote in question is valid under the guidelines i stated i would adhere to in my introduction to this thread.

If this undermines this thread in your personal view, so be it.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

What you view as irrelevant i view as a variable to the truth. I view it as a possible piece of the puzzle, and a piece i am not ready to throw away. If this degrades my integrity in the eyes of true UFOologists, it is unfortunate.

I'm not saying you should throw out possible peices of the puzzle. I'm advocating that phrases from the Bible are not quotes from credible people who have actually said things about UFOs that can be quoted.

Can you provide any quotes from Zeus that humanity has passed on for 3,000 years or more?

Sure didn't you read the Illiad ,written by Homer in the 7th century BC , when you were younger.

Here is one from Hera from the Illiad.

Hera : "The gods are hard to handle--when they come blazing forth in their true power." "Olympian Gods in Arms," p. 507

Quotes on UFOs from Government Officials


Source Link:
www.ufologie.net...

In a letter to one of Ridyard's local MPs, Defence Minister John Spellar said:

"My department has no interest or role with respect to UFO/flying saucer matters or to the question of the existence or otherwise of extraterrestrial life forms - about which we remain open-minded."
-- John Spellar, British Defense Minister

View the document yourself here:
www.ufologie.net...

An interesting declassified document. In response to a verbal question from the FBI, General Shulgen of the Air Force responds that a survey indicated that the US Air Force has no aircraft projects that matches the characteristics of the reported flying disks.

“In answer to a verbal request of your Mr. S. W. Reynolds, a complete survey of research activities discloses that the Army Air Force has no project with the characteristics similar to those which have been associated with the Flying Disks.
-- Brigadier General Geo F. Schulgen, Deputy Assistant of Chief of Air Force Staff, September 5, 1947.

Excellent Link for government documents concerning UFOs, and one of my personnal favorites:

www.ufologie.net...

Source Link:
www.ufologie.net...

External Link:
On 2nd April 1997, Chilean newspaper "La Cuarta" has the following headline: "UFO Sighting of Arica is Confirmed by La Direccion General de Aeronautic Civil." Chile did start to join the small number of countries who officially stated that the nature of UFOs is of intelligent driven flying machines.
Luis Sanchez, Chilean Director of Skywatch International said this was the first time such an organization had attached its name to a confirmed UFO observation statement. La Direccion General de Aeronautic Civil wrote that they publicly recognised that Chile was experiencing UFO sightings and that the phenomenon was real, not a natural, convntionnal phenomenon such as meteorotic or climatic.
The event that started this official recognition was a very seriously documented observation by the staff of an air traffic control tower at the Chacalluta International Airport in Arica, the northernmost city in Chile. On Monday, 31st March, 1997, at 12:55am, three UFOs were visually seen by the staff from the control tower and recorded on radar. They were tracked at speeds up to 8,000 mph according to the eyewitnesses, over the Pacific Ocean, near Morro de Arica. They remained there for two hours. At about 3.00am, the objects "flew away at very high speed," heading for the Andes.
The Airport's director, Julio Schettner stated that the UFOs hovered "at an altitude between 3,000 and 4,500 metres and emitted blue, red, green and yellow lights which made them clearly visible to the naked eye. In our tower, it was not possible to track them on radar, so we contacted the radar control rooms in (Arequipa) Peru and Santiago (de Chile). None of them had flights registering in Arica at that moment."
Schettner said that he had been doubtful about the existence of UFOs, but not anymore," adding that they left Arica "at an astonishing speed."
On Wednesday 2nd April 1997, the Direccion General de Aeronautica Civil (DGAC), Chile's civilian aeronautical ministry, announced that the three UFOs in Arica had been confirmed on radar, DGAC radar and Fuerzas Aereas de Chile (FACh) Air Force radar tracked the Arica UFOs "travelling at speeds of up to 12,800 kilometres (8,000 miles) per hour."
In the capital, Santiago de Chile, a DGAC spokesman said, "Chile is experiencing OVNIs" (Spanish acronym for UFO).

"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think, how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask is not an alien force ALREADY among us?" "There are only a handful of people who know the truth about this."

-- Ronald Reagan to a full session of the United Nations, September 21, 1987.

Source Link:
www.ufologie.net...

External Source.

MIKHAIL GORBATCHEV:
"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."
 Former USSR leader Mikhail Gorbachev gave this reply to workers in the Urals. Soviet Youth magazine, May 4, 1990, reported in CIA declassified FBIS.
TOSHIKI KAIFU:
"First of all, I told a magazine this past January that, as an underdeveloped country with regards to the UFO problem, Japan had to take into account what should be done about the UFO question, and that we had to spend more time on these matters. In addition, I said that someone had to solve the UFO problem with far reaching vision at the same time. Secondly, I believe it is a reasonable time to take the UFO problem seriously as a reality... I hope that this Symposium will contribute to peace on Earth from the point of view of outer space, and take the first step toward the international cooperation in the field of UFOs."
 Toshiki Kaifu, Prime Minister, Japan, in a letter to Mayor Shiotani of Hakui City, dated June 24, 1990, endorsing an upcoming Space and UFO Symposium.
TOP PERSONALITIES:
J. EDGAR HOOVER:
"... we must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
 Longtime FBI director J. Edgar Hoover wrote this in a July 10, 1947 office memorandum.
SENATOR BARRY GOLDWATER:
"... highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know about."
 Senator Barry Goldwater.
JOHN MC CORMACK:
"I feel that the Air Force has not been giving out all the available information on the Unidentified Flying Objects. You cannot disregard so many unimpeachable sources."
 John W. McCormack, Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States. January 1965.
ROBERT GALLEY:
"I must say that if listeners could see for themselves the mass of reports coming in from the airborne gendarmerie, from the mobile gendarmerie, and from the gendarmerie charged with the job of conducting investigations, all of which reports are forwarded by us to the National Center for Space Studies, then they would see that it is all pretty disturbing."

"I believe that the attitude of spirit that we must vis-a-vis this phenomenon is an open one, that is to say that it doesn't consist in denying a priori, as our ancestors of previous centuries did deny many things that seem nowadays perfectly elementary."
 M. Robert Galley, French Minister of Defense, interviewed on radio during a UFO debate by Jean-Claude Bourret, February 21, 1974.
GYORGY KELETI:
"Around Szolnok many UFO reports have been received from the Ministry of Defense, which obviously and logically means that they know very well where they have to land and what they have to do. It is remarkable indeed that the Hungarian newspapers, in general newspapers everywhere, reject the reports of the authorities."
 Gyorgy Keleti, Minister of Defense, Hungary, in article by Attila Lenart entitled "Ask a Question to the Minister of Defense: George Keleti, Are You Afraid of a UFO Invasion?", Nepszava, Budapest, August 18, 1994.
TOP RANK MILITARY:
ADM. ROSCOE HILLENCOTER:
"I know that neither Russia nor this country has anything even approaching such high speeds and maneuvers. Behind the scenes high ranking officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs, but through official secrecy and ridicule many citizens are led to believe that the unknown flying objects are nonsense."
 This quotation is from Admiral Roscoe Hillencoter, first director of the CIA. It was taken at a 1962 NICAP press conference.
ACM LORD DOWDING:
"Of course flying saucers are real, and they are interplanetary."
 Air Chief Marshall Lord Dowding, former head of Royal Air Force during World War II; August 1954.
GENERAL JAMES H. DOOLITTLE:
"Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939."
 General James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer that had allegedly crashed there in Spitzbergen.
REAR ADMIRAL FAHRNEY:
"... no aircraft, neither in the United States, either in the Soviet Union is currently able to achieve the speed attributed to these objects from the radars and from the observatories. These objects appear to be driven by an intelligence the way in which they fly. According to reports from scientists and technical personnel, these objects fly in formation and finish manoeuvres that seem to point out that are not completely driven from an automatic equipment. These objects are in incontestable mode the result of long investigations and highly technological and exceptional knowledge."
 Rear Admiral Delmer S. Fahrney, head missile testing of the American Navy on January 16, 1957.

Here are some quotes from persons with religious authority that can actually be quoted.

Father Angelo Secchi (1818-1899)

"It is absurd to think that the other worlds around us are uninhabited deserts."

Monsignor Corrado Balducci ( b. May 11, 1923 - )

" Extraterrestrials are not demonic, they are Not due to psychological impairment, they are not a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully...By now, at this point, there are several considerations made with certainty that these beings do exist. It cannot be doubted. It can also be said...that this phenomena does exist."

Edit: typo



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Esoteric Teacher,

Look , I'm not trying to be some pompus you know what and derail your thread.

Just saying phrases from the bible like "Be not afraid" isn't really a quote per se but just an oft used phase in some versions of the Bible. Also it alienates others and I personally don't see a connection between the phrase and UFOs.

What is the connection?

I thought the point of the thread was to quote credible persons in order to give credibility to the UFO phenomena. My only point here was to say that if you really
want to be credible to all people whom the UFO phenomena effects , just leave the "Bible" phrases (that IMO have nothing to do with E.T. or UFOs ) at home and quote credible people that have actually said something about the UFO phenomena that can be quoted.

It doesn't do Ufology any favors at all to alienate other people who don't have your own religious tendencies when the UFO phenomena effects all people from all
religious backgrounds.

Plus IMO common phrases from the Bible are not actually quotes from people that can be quoted and certainly are not quotes from "Astronauts, Scientists, and World Leaders" by the common definition used by the population at large. It only serves to alienate others who would otherwise not be alienated. And alienates them for no other reason than a personal need to introduce one's own personal religion even at the peril of alienating others for no reason.

The reason I introduced Greek Mythology was to point out it would be rejected not on ideological grounds but personal religious grounds , and I think your rejection evidenced that point well.

So that's it , no hard feelings as you said just disagreement on the issue of personal issues Vs. the Greater good of Ufology.





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Considering that those people really made those quotes, I have some things to say about some of the quotes.

Of the 90 quotes posted, 16 are repeated.

This is a strange one:

quote: "I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public.”
-- Pilot Walter Schirra

Is this Walter Schirra saying that he thinks it was Walter Schirra the first to use the code name 'Santa Claus'?
That does not make sense.

This one was posted without source.

quote:
Apollo 17: Eugene Cernan, Ronald Evans, and Harrison Schmidt; Landed in the Taurus-Littrow Valley; Dec 7 - 19, 1972.

Check out the following weird conversation that took place:

Mission Control: Go ahead, Ron

Evans: O.K., Robert, I guess the big thing I want to report from the back side is that I took another look at the - the - cloverleaf in Aitken with the binocs. And that southern dome (garble) to the east.

Mission Control: We copy that, Ron. Is there any difference in the color of the dome and the Mare Aitken there?

Evans: Yes there is... That Condor, Condorsey, or Condorecet or whatever you want to call it there. Condorecet Hotel is the one that has got the diamond-shaped fill down in the uh - floor.

Mission Control: Robert. Understand. Condorcet Hotel.

Evans: Condor. Condorset. Alpha. They've either caught a landslide on it or it's got a - and it doesn't look like (garble) in the other side of the wall in the northwest side.

Mission Control: O.K., we copy that Northwest wall of Condorcet A.

Evans: The area is oval or elliptical in shape. Of course, the ellipse is toward the top.

Again we have another example of code being used to disguise what has been found. For example, "Condorset Hotel". Why the codes, if there are no secrets being discussed. Why not explain to the American people openly what is going on? After all, they have paid for the mission.

This is one of the duplicated quotes, but the name is different, which is the correct name?

Version 1
quote:
"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs"
--Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter (Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency)

Version 2
ADM. ROSCOE HILLENCOTER:
"I know that neither Russia nor this country has anything even approaching such high speeds and maneuvers. Behind the scenes high ranking officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs, but through official secrecy and ridicule many citizens are led to believe that the unknown flying objects are nonsense."
This quotation is from Admiral Roscoe Hillencoter, first director of the CIA. It was taken at a 1962 NICAP press conference.

Most (35%) quotes are just personal opinions, nothing more.
Another 35% are direct or indirect reports of sightings.
Some are not even about UFOs, like these:

quote:
"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."
-- Dr. Harold Puthoff (Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics)

quote:
I believe, and I scientifically am certain, that there are endless other living forms out there, including intelligent sentient beings. I do know that there are entire universes of living forms out there.
--Dr.Story Musgrave NASA scientist-astronaut

Others could be about anything.

quote:
"I know other astronauts share my feelings," declared Cooper, 69, who went into space aboard a Mercury craft in 1963 and on a Gemini craft two years later.
-- Major Gordon Cooper, astronaut.

quote:
“Not every discovery has been announced.”
-- Dr. Farouk El Baz, NASA scientist.

quote:
"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
--J Edgar Hoover

This one is completely meaningless.

quote:
Be not afraid
-- every otherworldly messenger in the old & new testaments.

Do not think that I am putting you down, I think you are making a good work but are doing the same mistakes as most people, using quotes found on sites that could be anything but credible.

You know I got to thinkin about this after my initial post to this thread. It seems that the whole idea is credible quotes. And while it would appear that the persons quoted in the OP are indeed credible, they have no relevance to the reality of UFOs.
It all comes down to who has the evidence and the proof.
I can quote a thousand people who maintain careers in the sciences as UFO witness' but it doesn't make it so.
I've never lied in my life and I say to you now I've seen 3 UFOs.
I've passed Lie detectors and background checks. Am I credible? Would my job make me any less credible?
Quote me as saying UFOs are real and guess what?
(doesn't make em real)
Like I said- I admire your thoughts here Eso, But it just don't make it so.
Make any sense?

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
It all comes down to who has the evidence and the proof.

So why don't we examine the practices, actions and behaviors, and try to extrapulate what their initiators and intentions are?

Who would know, who has had the evidence and the proof?

Originally posted by ArMaP
Considering that those people really made those quotes, I have some things to say about some of the quotes.

Of the 90 quotes posted, 16 are repeated.

Sorry for that, but as you point out there are inconsistancies with the quotes, differences in titles, and spelling of names, so i presented both. As for the duplicated quotes, it is sometimes due to me cutting from pages of quotes i have collected, and in other cases other contributors presented the same quotes. Sorry.

This one was posted without source.

quote:
Apollo 17: Eugene Cernan, Ronald Evans, and Harrison Schmidt; Landed in the Taurus-Littrow Valley; Dec 7 - 19, 1972.

Check out the following weird conversation that took place:

Mission Control: Go ahead, Ron ......

Actually i did present the source, in my introductory post .....

Supportive links and majority of sources/collaboration:

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

www.ufoevidence.org...

www.ufoevidence.org...

www.ufodigest.com...

www.ufodigest.com...

www.anomalous-images.com...

The source was the first link presented in this thread.

As for the quotes that could be anything, i don't think they were taken out of context. Cooper's quote was a quote to the United Nations concerning the UFO phenomenon. In another quote, is someone wanting access to "disks"?

I apologize for some inconsistancies, i am far from perfect. I have other obligations, and time constraints as many of us do.

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I'd like to introduce a quote from myself, although i am most certainly not an astronaut, world leader, or scientist, and it is just opinion:

Personally, I would be rather dissapointed in a universe that has not produced intelligent life to date which has not visited this planet, considering that conservative estimates put the universe at 18,000,000,000 years old, and humanity has only existed for 1/9,000th of that time.
-- Me, a firefighter/SSgt, USAF, Nellis AFB, January 1999 - Present (with exception of 2 years & 8 months in warzones.

Originally posted by lost_shaman

I'm not saying you should throw out possible peices of the puzzle. I'm advocating that phrases from the Bible are not quotes from credible people who have actually said things about UFOs that can be quoted.

Can you provide any quotes from Zeus that humanity has passed on for 3,000 years or more?

Sure didn't you read the Illiad ,written by Homer in the 7th century BC , when you were younger.

Here is one from Hera from the Illiad.

Hera : "The gods are hard to handle--when they come blazing forth in their true power." "Olympian Gods in Arms," p. 507

Interesting you should quote the illiad as a source of mythology, and not historical fact. It was this same strain of thought that led generations of humanity for thousands of years to "know" that Troy was merely a mythical city.

Link/Source:

earthobservatory.nasa.gov...

Ancient Troy was once a mythical city, known only through the text of Homer’s Iliad. In 1870, however, the German archeologist Heinrich Schlieman discovered the ruins of Troy (and several cities above and beneath it) in northwest Turkey. He located the city by scrutinizing the text of the Iliad, and laboriously exploring the area on foot.

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