DaVinci Code, A Mortal Jesus

This book is absolutely amazing. Not only does it break down every bit of corruption spread by the Roman Catholic Church but it gives a good idea as to how it all got started. My question is if anyone has any more facts about pope constantine and his new testament, removing all gospels of a mortal jesus and totally ignoring his very humanistic message. if anyone is interested ill give them a rundown, but I reccomend going and buying the book. Its a mystery at heart but uses religious art of the period to unravel the puzzle of who jesus actually was.

Isn't that a fictional book?

Dan Brown (Angels and Demons) has created a page-turning thriller that also provides an amazing interpretation of Western history. Brown's hero and heroine embark on a lofty and intriguing exploration of some of Western culture's greatest mysteries--from the nature of the Mona Lisa's smile to the secret of the Holy Grail. Though some will quibble with the veracity of Brown's conjectures, therein lies the fun. The Da Vinci Code is an enthralling read that provides rich food for thought. --Jeremy Pugh

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With The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown masterfully concocts an intelligent and lucid thriller that marries the gusto of an international murder mystery with a collection of fascinating esoteria culled from 2,000 years of Western history.

This is from doing an amazon.com search for "DaVinci Code" under Books. I can't link it because it is a commercial site.

Sounds like an interesting read, have you cross-referenced all of the facts?

Concoct: To prepare by mixing ingredients, as in cooking.
To devise, using skill and intelligence; contrive: concoct a mystery story.

From: dictionary.reference.com...

[Edited on 31-10-2003 by MKULTRA]

Sometimes controversial truths are passed as fictions so that publishing houses can avoid lawsuits and negative controversy.

Originally posted by TheManWithThePlan
Isn't that a fictional book?

Yes, it is.

It's a good read, but filled with a lot of speculation and a bunch of places where the writer (heavily) stretched truth (i.e., made stuff up.)

www.anomalies-unlimited.com...

[Edited on 8-12-2003 by cardsharp]

Yeah, I just finished it, and so did..lets see..10 of my friends

Great book

-wD

Mortal Jesus? Sounds like Uber Gnostic Freemason stuff.

I'm in.

But what does Nostradamous have to do with it (if anything)? Can you explain the title without ruining the book? plzzzzzzzzzzzz

The idea that the "true" gospel is in Mary Magdalene's tomb, and will turn christianity upside down is rather sad. Would not a God, with infinite power and wisdom, make his true gospel known despite the activities of men? There is no evidence that any previous religion had a dominant female goddess, they were always linked to their male counterparts, and usually in a dubserviant manner. (see Craig Hawkins� Goddess Worship, Witchcraft, and Neo-Paganism or Tikva Frymer-Kensky�s In the Wake of the Goddesses)

Any why would the "hero" not want to disclose this "true" gospel after he discovers it? What sudden insight made him decide, like DaVinci and others, to keep their mouths shut and force God's children to follow the wrong path? Why wouldn't they want them to be worshipping the devine goddess? Naturally there is no answer in the book, because there is no reason.

He hides behind the shroud of "fiction" so as to adjust "facts" to be what he needs them to be in order to mutate the truth. For example, he gets the date of the discovery of the dead sea scrolls wrong, which were discovered in 1947. A simple fact, but if he gets something that simple wrong...

FACT:

All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

hmm....

Teabing, this reputable historian, would have any academic historian fired on the spot if (s)he used his writings as a basis for a class, unless it was to explain why and how wrong Teabing was.

It is only because Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, is considered �fair game� that this sort of work is received not with outrage, but with a Ho Hum.

��The Bible did not arrive by fax from heaven�The Bible is the product of man, my dear. Not of God. The Bible did not fall magically from the clouds. Man created it as a historical record of tumultuous times, and it has evolved through countless translations, additions, and revisions. History has never had a definitive version of the book

This statement implies that we, as christians, think that the bible just dropped out of the sky. We know better, it was inspired by the Holy Spirit into man. God chose specific instruments from men and the Spirit guided them.

Countless translations? The Bible wasn't translated from Greek to German, then from German to Latin, then from Latin to French, then from French to English, etc. When a new translation is being made, you go back to the original greek and the original hebrew.

There's plenty more to speak out agianst this book with, but I will leave it at that. If you do decide to read it, look into the "facts" while you're reading it, rather than taking them at face value.

Originally posted by junglejake
There is no evidence that any previous religion had a dominant female goddess, they were always linked to their male counterparts, and usually in a dubserviant manner. (see Craig Hawkins� Goddess Worship, Witchcraft, and Neo-Paganism or Tikva Frymer-Kensky�s In the Wake of the Goddesses)

This is not necessarily true. The myths that have come down to us today - especially Greek and Roman - reflect the influence of patriarchy that was felt even in the pre-Christian world. The earliest form of worship is thought by some to have been that of the Great Mother. Before the role of fatherhood in procreation was understood, before sex was connected with procreation, women were revered and honored as the bringers of life. Woman bled monthly, yet she did not die. Woman carried life within her. Many early societies were matrifocal and matrilinear - some of which survive to this day in so-called "primitive" cultures.

Take a look at ancient celtic mythology - goddesses retain their power, and are NOT subservient. Many, in fact, do not even have male "counterparts."

Any why would the "hero" not want to disclose this "true" gospel after he discovers it? What sudden insight made him decide, like DaVinci and others, to keep their mouths shut and force God's children to follow the wrong path? Why wouldn't they want them to be worshipping the devine goddess? Naturally there is no answer in the book, because there is no reason.

In Brown's book, the Priory of Sion agrees to keep the Church's secret until the time they feel it should be revealed. In DaVinci's time, I think it would have been obvious why no one would have "gone public" with such information: the fear of being charged and punished for heresy. The Church was not a power that one easily went up against. The Church's word was law, and that law was not to be questioned.

Christians, like everyone else, have the gift of choice. No one is "forcing" them down the "wrong path." They choose their path. The concepts in The DaVinci Code (which are far from new, by the way) present an opportunity to re-examine that path, however, it is up to the individual to decide what is or is not truth - or to choose that the church do that for them. In this day and age, at least in the US, we have the right to worship as we choose - and many of us take that right very seriously, to the point where we would never think of trying to force another to our way of thinking or believing, but rather to leave them to make their own choice. Perhaps respect for the rights of others motivated the hero.

He hides behind the shroud of "fiction" so as to adjust "facts" to be what he needs them to be in order to mutate the truth.

Do you know for a fact that this was the author's intention or motivation? This is a work of fiction - published as such, not to be taken as fact. Why would you assume that the author expects it to be taken as anything other than fiction?

Countless translations? The Bible wasn't translated from Greek to German, then from German to Latin, then from Latin to French, then from French to English, etc. When a new translation is being made, you go back to the original greek and the original hebrew.

Translations can be wrong. Scribes mis-copied texts. Meanings were implied that were never part of the original context, depending upon who did the translating. There is more than one version of the Bible currently in use by today's Christians. Which is right? Which is the correct translation?

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Damn, I said Nostradamous and meant Davinci.

Where did that preprogramming come from?

Originally posted by RANT
Damn, I said Nostradamous and meant Davinci.

Where did that preprogramming come from?

In DaVinci's Last Supper, the apostle to Jesus' right who is supposed to be John (I think) appears to be a woman instead. Supposedly, DaVinci left many different clues that would point to secret information in other works.

DaVinci is not the only artist who supposedly hid secret information - or clues to such information - in his works. Nicholas Poussin was said to have done so, as well, I believe, as was David Teniers.

Ahhhh, thanks. This have anything to do with the Knights Templar?

Or the claims that French Royalty are direct descendants of Jesus, and the little club in France that 'worships' Pierre Plantard as the last Zion?

Originally posted by RANT
Ahhhh, thanks. This have anything to do with the Knights Templar?

Or the claims that French Royalty are direct descendants of Jesus, and the little club in France that 'worships' Pierre Plantard as the last Zion?

Yes and sort of.

Very briefly:

The Priory of Sion was allegedly the organization that formed the Knights Templar. The Templars were supposed to guard the Priory's secret: that Mary Magdalene gave birth to the daughter of Jesus; that after his death, Mary and the child lived in France; that members of the Merovingian dynasty in France were the descendants of that daughter; that descendants of the Merovingians comprise the Saint-Clair and Plantard families. There is also a British branch of the family with the name Sinclair.

However, I don't think the Priory worships Jacques Plantard, or any other member of the Priory.

Can anybody see, we've got a war to fight? We are nearing the tribulation period in history. Why do you think something that was to be such a well kept secret is coming public? and very popular now at that. Notcie that it is slanted at dismanteling Christianity. AT is allowing people to accept the coming Kingdom of Antichrist. It's very easy to see....Dont get caught up in the sensationalism, look at whats happening here. Get the world believing that Jesus has a bloodline here on earth, and you can trick them into beliveing they've found one of his decendants, a holy man linked by blood to God. YOur Antichrist. He isnt just gonna pop outta nowhere without a majority of people here on earth to belive that his "God-like status" is probable. This here is Mass deception in the works.
Matt 24:4 "Take heed that no man decive you."

As long as we're on books (albiet, religious fiction), has anyone read "the Genesis Code"? Came out a few years ago...

It's about the Vatican (if I remember correctly) having cloned Jesus from the blood on the Shroud. There were... I don't remember... 12 "Jesus" children. Once they started developing powers, however, they were being killed off, with the exception of one...

It is fiction based on the works of a select few. This isn't the first time that these claims have been made from what I understand BTW. I have read the book myself, and in the prologue (if I remember the spot correctly) he says it is based on facts. I have done my research, and the facts he base it on are, as I stated above interpreted by the "few." Most of the ideas they put forth rely on circumstancial evidence, and unanswered questions about the bible as it relates to our knowledge of that time-period. There are some good points, and at first it caused me to question everything I believed in, but I don't really have a problem if the stuff that is represented ends up being true. I believe in God and that is all I need.

-p

Originally posted by TheManWithThePlan
Isn't that a fictional book?

Book is a kind of proof supporting Opus Dei vision of Vatican III
Christian church is almost purely artificial creation based on some older myths, improved Roman Empire. Link >>>

"the New Testament, the Church, and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius
Piso family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in
it...are all fictional." And so begins one of the most amazing little pamphlets that I've
come across in many an aeon. Its conclusions, if true, are astounding, for they shake the
foundations of history and make a mockery of the wits and intellects of a great host of
epoch bending sages, philosophers, and theologians. Thus the gospel according to one
Abelard Reuchelin, an earnest researcher of historic genealogies who specialized in
ancient families. he began to zero in on one family in particular, the Piso family of
Roman Patricians, who dominated the Roman aristocracy over several generations, producing
caesars, consuls, generals, statesmen, philosophers, historians, scholars and bishops of
the early Church. blood and marriage relations within the Piso family included Tacitus,
Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, Trajan, Vitellius, Vespasian, Julius Caesar's uncle� Lucius
Piso, Galba Caesar, and on and on. Rome was essentially ruled by the same tribe directly
for over two hundred years, and indirectly via the Church up to the present.(...)

Link 2 >>>

any one figure the code out? It will not allow me to
put in kryptos....damn! pm me

france
Is there no help for the widows son?

WW
Mason

[Edited on 10-12-2003 by cardsharp]