Iran Admits Supplying Missiles to Hezbolla???

"A senior Iranian official admitted for the first time Friday that Tehran did indeed supply long-range Zelzal-2 missiles to Hezbollah."

www.democraticunderground.com...

But remember, Iran ONLY provides political and moral support.

"IRAN will supply Hezbollah with surface-to-air missile systems in the coming months, boosting the guerrillas' defences against Israeli aircraft, according to a report by specialist magazine Jane's Defence Weekly on Friday, citing unnamed Western diplomatic sources."

www.news.com.au...

And?

What is the difference between America sending "precision guided" missiles to Israel and Iran sending missiles to Hezbollah? Remember, only Israel and the United States class Hezbollah as a terrorist entity.

Is your objection to Iran supplying Hezbollah with weapons moral or political? Morally you dont have a leg to stand on, politically well who wants to see their enemies supplied with weapons? Storm in a teacup time again! Drum beat to war with Iran again!

Originally posted by subz
And?

only Israel and the United States class Hezbollah as a terrorist entity.

Exactly my point when I checked on this thread. . .

I guess only countries friendly to the US and Israel can get to have nuclear power and weapons.

It sounds like Hypocrisy to me.

Perhaps if US and no Iran supplies the weapons to Hezbullah it would not be look upon so bad.

The point is the US admits selling it's weapons to Israel.

Iran denies giving anything to Hezbolla but political and moral support.

Just proof Iran is not honest in it's dealing with anyone.

"TEHRAN, July 30 (Reuters) - Iran reiterated on Sunday that it does not arm its ally Hizbollah, countering accusations that missiles hitting Israeli military and civilian targets are Iranian-made."

www.alertnet.org...

"Iran reiterates not sending weapons to Hizbollah"
news.oneindia.in...

"Iran Denies Providing Missiles to Hezbollah in South Lebanon"
english.people.com.cn...

"'We don't send weapons to the resistance', says Iran"
archive.gulfnews.com...

There are many more sources, but you get the idea.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
The point is the US admits selling it's weapons to Israel.

Iran denies giving anything to Hezbolla but political and moral support.

Just proof Iran is not honest in it's dealing with anyone.

Yeah but the opposite side doesn't want to hear or believe that Iran is up to no good in the region. Why do I get the feeling we will be doing the same thing in Iran that happened in North Korea. Even though we shouldn't trust them and take them at their word, we will. Then two years down the road, Iran will tell us they are part of the "nuclear club". I hope we aren't like Charlie Brown and his attempts to kick the football with Lucy there.

Can anyone explain to me why we should trust Iran to keep it's word on any agreement?

The US is a peace loving country and we dont threaten other countries with total annihilation and threaten our neighbors, Iran does. We spend billions of dollars a year to try and protect people like in Bosnia, Kosovo.....and then Iraq( depending on what you believe that is). Whereas Iran wants nukes to try and in the prez's own words, bring Armageddon.

Is it somewhat hypocritical to say others dont need nuke power, yes but its not when it comes to nuke weapons.

Originally posted by SenHeathen
Is it somewhat hypocritical to say others dont need nuke power, yes but its not when it comes to nuke weapons.

Peaceful nuclear power development that is transparent for all the world to see is fine. When you hide things that make others think you are developing nuclear power to get nuclear weapons is not. Here is the latest example of Iran's duplicitous behaviour.
Was Iran trying to smuggle U238 in from Africa?

I didn't really follow exactly what you were trying to say in the above quote. It is not hypocritical to expect nations that have signed the NPT to uphold it.

Again, can someone explain to me why we should trust Iran to uphold any agreements it makes?

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
The point is the US admits selling it's weapons to Israel.

Iran denies giving anything to Hezbolla but political and moral support.

Just proof Iran is not honest in it's dealing with anyone.

"TEHRAN, July 30 (Reuters) - Iran reiterated on Sunday that it does not arm its ally Hizbollah, countering accusations that missiles hitting Israeli military and civilian targets are Iranian-made."

Just so you understand. Its not like Iran needs to explain anything to anyone in regards to what it buys and sells to anyone. Thats their purogative to release info or not. Just as Israel feels its neceessary to keep the figures secret as to how many Nuclear weapons its has in its posession and how many it is capable of manufacturing in a time period. Israel should be one of the LAST entities ever to know about weapons or a countries military assets.
The only reason why Americans who choose to know what Israel gets or recieves from the USA is because we are entitled to that information.

Israel buys NOTHING from us if we give them Billion $ loans that are always forgiven. Israel is a never-ending losing investment. If Israel buys f-16's for 1/2 the price that it costs taxpayers to build, then its not a profit.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Just so you understand. Its not like Iran needs to explain anything to anyone in regards to what it buys and sells to anyone.

I think MM is trying to say not that Iran has to explain, but that Iran has explained by lying about it, then fessing up. Why should Iran be trusted to keep it's word on anything when they are acting like this?

Originally posted by pavil

I think MM is trying to say not that Iran has to explain, but that Iran has explained by lying about it, then fessing up. Why should Iran be trusted to keep it's word on anything when they are acting like this?

Because its Israel making the accusations? LOL
When has Israel been honest in her dealings? When they Illegally sold weapons/technology to China? South Africa? When they sold Helicopters to Columbian drug cartels? They actually gave Nuclear Technology to South Africa! (Pretoria) Luckily they dismantled and disarmed after international diplomatic pressure. (Can you imagine that..Israel was dealing with Ex-nazi, white supremacist, racist bigots of SA at the time of Apartheid rule. They were best buddies and big supporters!!)

Israel has a hissy fit anytime anyone in the region develops or purchases any kind of modern weaponry. Remember when Iran was developing the newer Missiles and there was a whole big row over that not too long ago.

Originally posted by subz
And?

What is the difference between America sending "precision guided" missiles to Israel and Iran sending missiles to Hezbollah? Remember, only Israel and the United States class Hezbollah as a terrorist entity.

I think it's because America thinks it has the right to blame others while they are doing the exact same thing, terrorists or not, both are supplying their allies. Their reason for blaming Hezbollah? Exactly what you said, if they are terrorists the US thinks it can do anything against them.

A good saying fitting to this is "The joker who cant laugh about his own jokes".

Only this joker responds with force, in some situations.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon

Just proof Iran is not honest in it's dealing with anyone.

Ah, yes America the honest and transparent country that secretly supplied weapons to former Al Qaeda terrorists that fought the Soviet Union back in the 80's. America that secretly created Bin Laden, America that secretly supplied Saddam with chemical weapons, America that secretly let Israel enrich uranium, and the list goes on.

Don't accuse anyone else of being ''dishonest'' while your own government is corrupt as hell.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon


"IRAN will supply Hezbollah with surface-to-air missile systems in the coming months, boosting the guerrillas' defences against Israeli aircraft, according to a report by specialist magazine Jane's Defence Weekly on Friday, citing unnamed Western diplomatic sources."

That's great news. Then they'll finally be able to try and stop the Israelis from continuing their killing sprees on innocent Lebanese civilians. Salute Iran.


[edit on 6-8-2006 by Mdv2]

The missile entered limited PLA service in the mid-1990s. The missile is said to be similar in designs and performance to the U.S. FIM-92A Stinger.Some reports indicated that the QW-1 may have been based on the U.S. Stinger technology and design, but this cannot be confirmed. According to the brochure of China Precision Machinery Import and Export Company (CPMIEC), the QW-1 is claimed to surpass the US Stinger in maximum effective range, target seeker tracking capability, warhead power and other specifications.

the QW-1 is capable of engaging jet and propeller-driven aircraft and helicopters from all aspects. As well as being carried by soldiers, the QW-1 can be fired from launchers mounted on vehicles and ships, or used in the mixed anti-aircraft artillery and air-defence missile battery, or carried by helicopter as a short-range air-to-air missile.

During the 1999 India-Pakistan conflict at Kargil, the China-made QW-1 reportedly shot down an Indian Air Force MiG-21 and a MiG-27.

DESIGN

The system consists of the missile, a reusable tube launcher, and a thermal battery. The missile is powered by a solid rocket engine, and has a maximum range of 5km against low flying airborne targets. The missile can be switched from storage mode into combat mode within 10 seconds.

SPECIFICATIONS

System length: 1.532m
System weight: 16.5kg
Missile length: N/A
Missile diameter: 0.071m
Missile launch weight: N/A
Propulsion: Single stage solid rocket
Operating altitude: 0.03~4km
Operating range: 0.5~5km
Max speed: 600m/s
Guidance: Infrared
Warhead: 0.57kg HE fragmentation

www.sinodefence.com...

They are also believed to supply Hezbollah with Russian SAM systems, does anyone know what system this exactly will be?



[edit on 6-8-2006 by Mdv2]

American intelligence and Americans who read news from around the world already knew that Iran has supplied Hezb'Allah with arms for years. In fact, Iran helped fund Hezb'Allah back in the early 1980's.
I think the first cited article is saying that Iran admits to long-range missiles.

Interesting, the current Iraqi Prime Minister (elected) is from the Dawa Party (religious-Shiite), at one time labeled a terrorist organization and also given help from Hezb'Allah. (The Dawa were against Saddam when he was our friend, so naturally they were terrorists then.)
Gee, maybe Iran can send the missiles through Iraq instead of by ship.

Originally posted by SenHeathen
The US is a peace loving country and we dont threaten other countries with total annihilation and threaten our neighbors, Iran does.

After reading this post I could not stop being amused by it . . .

Please tell us what do you consider what US has done with Iraq.

I can not wait to read it.

Originally posted by subz
And?

What is the difference between America sending "precision guided" missiles to Israel and Iran sending missiles to Hezbollah?

None. Of course, it means that Iran is equiping a group that is at war with an american ally, so that would make iran a legitimate target for US and Israeli bombings.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by subz
And?

What is the difference between America sending "precision guided" missiles to Israel and Iran sending missiles to Hezbollah?

None. Of course, it means that Iran is equiping a group that is at war with an american ally, so that would make iran a legitimate target for US and Israeli bombings.

Off topic:

Quite ironic though, during the Iran-Iraq war Israel supplied Iran with weapons. How things can change.

Israel reconstructed its Iranian arms market impressively during the Iran-lraq war, accounting for as much as 50 per cent of Iran's war needs from the outbreak of hostilities to March 1982. During the war, Israel supplied Iran with at least $500 million worth of arms per year. The Reagan administration got involved in arms sales to Iran after receiving reports from Israeli intelligence about Tel Aviv's contacts with what Israel called "anti-Khomeini and proWestern elements" (the debut of the so-called "Moderates") within the Iranian government. Thinking to keep the conflict going, President Reagan authorized Israel to sell TOW antitank missiles to Iran, in July 1985, and in January 1986, approved direct US arms sales to the Khomeini government.

Indeed, the 'pawns' on the global chessboard get used in a variety of ways, sometimes seemingly contradictory ways.

Originally posted by Mdv2

Off topic:

Quite ironic though, during the Iran-Iraq war Israel supplied Iran with weapons. How things can change.

Don't you love it when you learn how our nation and other countries play the political games.

How easy the tables turn when it stops meeting expectations.

People tend to have short term minds when it comes to what has been going on in the last 25 years in our nation.

Originally posted by Mdv2


Off topic:

Quite ironic though, during the Iran-Iraq war Israel supplied Iran with weapons. How things can change.

Thats because they also Imagined the Iraqi's were out to get them and were building nuclear bombs to kill all the Israelis. Just another example of how they play both ends from the middle