Terrorists or Guerillas or Freedom Fighters?

LOL...ive got a bandwagon fan...woo hoo!!!

I better start cheering for Hezbo its looking like.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Exactly man...and the fact that they would fire rockets into a zoo is just over the top. I mean let them think what they do about the Israeli's (and it isnt good) but to extend that hatred to the animals in Israel? Come on. Thats definitely a terrorist organization if ive ever seen one.

You have got to be joking?! Zoo? Animals = More important than humans?? PETA can go copulate with a goat before I worry about animals above humans.


I'd like you to tell the wives of those UN People that Israel murdered, that it was important to kill your husband since animals in the zoo were dying from Hizbolla rockets.

Zoo! ZOMG Thats really great.

I may be a liberal but I don't support Hizbolla nor would I support Israel and her murderous ways. Its just funny that the supposed terrorists kill 20 innocent people and a democratic nation kills over 400 and they say Hizbolla is trying to wipe out the jewish race. LOL

What it shows me when Hezbollah is trying to shoot rockets into a zoo is that they have no regard for life whatsoever! And those animals have nothing to do with this mess, but Hezbollah doesn't care for anything or anyone, which is why they continue to fight Israel and put the people of Lebanon in constant danger.

So I check the Rose of Sharon posts - every last one - one trick pony - not only does there appear to be a species-species value issue but perhaps racial and psyghological values issues worth exploring... most specious. Those who terrorize the innocent are terrorists, a guerilla that does the same is a terrorist too. Criminal - full stop. Lotsa terrorists of many flavours in the Middle-East 'bout now, and some in the Western henisphere too I'd imagine..

What makes an animal, any animal worth more than one person or another? That "state" of valuation apparently exists in the minds of some... sad.

Pie, I'm glad there's folks in the world with your sensibilities, you are welcome at my family table anytime at all. Thank you for expressing in a meaningful way some of the things that I share similar sentiments toward, like the value of human life - ALL human life - EVERY last one, even this princeofpeace fellow.

Remember "Googles-bin" from a while back... Messiah-complex guy that SO initiated "Flying Hammer" protocol on? Tried to reason with and help that fellow too out of genuine concern for his well-being and mental state... compare. People learn affectation but can't always hide the real... most illuminating - moths to the flame n'est pa?

Thanx,

Victor K.

[edit on 30-7-2006 by V Kaminski]

Those animals are more precious and more worth saving than any terrorist, that's for sure. So yes, I would say that there are circumstances when animal lives are more important than humans.

Originally posted by V Kaminski
Yeah, far better to target UN posts eh! NOT. I love this princeofpiece - spamamatic graffitti and runs away... can't be really that interested in discussion. Oh well. He'll be back on every "like" thread in series at least 4 times in the next 24 hours... fun to watch if nothin' else.

You notice that too hey V.K.

Originally posted by laiguana
And those animals have nothing to do with this mess, but Hezbollah doesn't care for anything or anyone, which is why they continue to fight Israel and put the people of Lebanon in constant danger.

Ahh I see but all 400 of Lebanons citizenry that died did? So you believe the animals in Israels zoo is worth more then a lebanese citizens life?
Its not just the hizbollah that put them in danger...its Israel that has the big guns blowing people up.

OK, so when my American Staffordshire named Fluffy is having you or anyone else (even a terrorist) for lunch who should I shoot, you or Fluffy? I'm open to suggestions but I think Fluffy would be leaking quite badly from new ventilation holes - a terrorist unarmed is unarmed and not to be shot - brought to justice, yes, shot in cold blood no, never. That's the way of the weak and cowardly. Others may feel differently and are wholly entitled.

Thanx,

Victor K.

Why make ridiculous analogies? I won't even waste time answering. I believe terrorists are the scum of the earth and deserve no mercy.

ThePie: The casualties in Lebanon are a result of Hezbollah's reluctance to stop attacking Israel, as long as they persist, they will continue to put the people of Lebanon in danger. Israel, gave warnings to the citizens of Lebanon, they are not targeting civilians. However, Israel must attack Hezbollah effectively in order to prevent them (Hez) from continuing their assaults against Israel's citizens including their animals.

Good, thank for not answering so extensively... I can see that you value humans differently. Your views are clear to all. I hope you get what you need to feel more at peace with your world. A review of the ATS T&C may be appropriate at some point.

Thank you and have a pleasant morning, Ig-whatever,

Victor K.

Originally posted by laiguana
Why make ridiculous analogies? I won't even waste time answering. I believe terrorists are the scum of the earth and deserve no mercy.

ThePie: The casualties in Lebanon are a result of Hezbollah's reluctance to stop attacking Israel, as long as they persist, they will continue to put the people of Lebanon in danger. Israel, gave warnings to the citizens of Lebanon, they are not targeting civilians. However, Israel must attack Hezbollah effectively in order to prevent them (Hez) from continuing their assaults against Israel's citizens including their animals.

well the terrorists in lebanon are attacking the terrorists in israel, so I guess for as long as the terrorists in Israel keep trying to kill the terrorists in lebanon the animals and Israelis are going to suffer too. I guess it goes both ways. A lot of people consider israel a terrorist state...wether you like that idea or not. Any government that kills kids and innocent civilians in this day an age should be considered a terrorist entity...even my own here in the USA when they do the same thing.

Israel is no better then al-queda except Israel has been doing it for a lot longer then they have.

This is silly, catusas were used in alot of wars, rusians used them , and alot of countrys from europe used them, they have been used on citys before by europian armies, did that make them terorists? no of course not, hesbolah is a guerila army, they train them like in the army, they got guns, they dont use tactics like suicide missions, they fight, I would like to see them kick some israely army ass but not the israely people that are just civilians, just it's army and then disarm, even if they are not using terrorist's tactics they too bare responsability , maybe they can integrate them in lebanon's army to become more legit, any way I see israel as the agressor, however hesbolah bares part of the responsability for why this hapend.
To add some simple words, No one called anyone terrorists, when berlin was reduced to ruble, when the planes started to bomb berlin they were not targeting anything specific, the whole city was reduced to ruble, I dont recal the US administration beeing called terrorists when they decided to relise 2 nuclear bombs over 2 towns nagasachi and hirosima , and all this after the japs surendered, after the war was over.

This days if you smoke pot based on new acts of legislation u'r a terrorist.




[edit on 30-7-2006 by pepsi78]

Not only is Hezbollah a terrorist organization, but they are an international terrorist organization. But it uses both guerilla warfare and terrorism tactics to achieve their desired goals. It has become very sophisticated over the past 20 or so years, but it is still a terrorist org for sure. Their facade is to be the great protector of Lebanon from Israel...but, in reality they are puppets of Syria & Iran. They are state sponsored and recieve most of their financial backing from Iran. But, they have operations located all over the world.

Major terrorist acts they are responsible for and remember these are just the major ones:

a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s;

the suicide truck bombings that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983;

the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane’s pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head;

two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina—the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five).

a July 2006 raid on a border post in northern Israel in which two Israeli soldiers were taken captive. The abductions sparked an Israeli military campaign against Lebanon to which Hezbollah responded by firing rockets across the Lebanese border into Israel.

www.cfr.org...

They are terrorists no question about that in my mind.

Originally posted by laiguana
Why are liberals always trying to make excuses for terrorists? Of course Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They target civillians. They even try to bomb a zoo in Haifa! Thankfully we have a president that agrees that Hezbollah are terrorists and Israel has a right to hunt them down.

Are you calling me a liberal mate?

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Exactly man...and the fact that they would fire rockets into a zoo is just over the top. I mean let them think what they do about the Israeli's (and it isnt good) but to extend that hatred to the animals in Israel? Come on. Thats definitely a terrorist organization if ive ever seen one.

Oh, thanks man, that's the best laugh I've had in days. Really. The rhetoric continues. You would prefer that the target of these terrorists be human?

You are picking and choosing your info Zenlover, from your source:

Hezbollah, whose name means “party of God,” is a terrorist group believed responsible for nearly 200 attacks since 1982 that have killed more than 800 people, according to the Terrorism Knowledge Base. Experts say Hezbollah is also a significant force in Lebanon’s politics and a major provider of social services, operating schools, hospitals, and agricultural services, for thousands of Lebanese Shiites. It also operates the al-Manar satellite television channel and broadcast station.

What are Hezbollah's origins?

Hezbollah was founded in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and subsumed members of the 1980s coalition of groups known as Islamic Jihad. It has close links to Iran and Syria.

So Hez has killed 800 in the last quarter century. OK but I don't need to go there.

BOLD Hmm, gives one something to think about.

I'll leave it at that, for now.

Are you calling me a liberal mate?

The true-believer rightwingers have been tilting against the "liberal" windmill for so long they can't conceive of anyone that disagrees with them being anything but a "liberal".

I used to find it insulting, but now I find it amusing - true believer conservatives always think I'm a liberal, while true believer liberals always think I'm a conservative. They cannot comprehend anyone whose beliefs don't fall into some clearly-defined readymade ideological box.

Libertarians don't like me either: while I share a big chunks of their belief system and I'm basically minarchist, I don't share their faith that somehow lasseize-far capitalism will bring about heaven on Earth either - my experiences in the business world have convinced me that big business is very nearly as incompetent and inefficient as big government.

And when I talk to liberals about gun control, forget about it... they just back away slowly

So Hez has killed 800 in the last quarter century.

So give Israel another week, and they'll have exceeded that total this month alone.

As far as the zoo nonsense goes, give it a rest already people.

They are not "targeting" the damn Haifa zoo.
WTF are you people smoking, and where can I get some?

These rockets they're using have a CEP of about a mile or two - they can barely be aimed accurately at something the size of a city, let alone a zoo within that city. Most of them are falling in the desert and setting brushfires, no matter what they're trying to hit.

[edit on 7/30/06 by xmotex]

We view them as terrorists because media and government condition us to see them as terrorists. The way they wage war is not that dissimilar to how other nations (including Israel) have fought against stronger better equipped armies in the past. The American colonists were considered as terrorists by the British during their war of independence so were the Boars in South Africa and so were Israel when they bombed and murdered British Soldiers to gain an independent homeland for themselves free of British rule, I could go on but you get the idea.
It’s a matter of perspective. I don’t think Hez cares one whit what we call them or think about them, in their mind they are part of a great struggle against a much hated and better armed and trained enemy.
We can call them terrorists all we want but to many people they are brave freedom fighters fighting for a just cause.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, but in the end they are just labels that tptb use to control and manipulate our view of the middle east and Hez in general.
What’s important is that as long as Hez has a base of support I cant see them being defeated by bombers and guided missiles.


[edit on 30-7-2006 by Janus]

see Hezbollah is non of those, just a militant group, i don't htink of them as terrorist, or guerrillas, or freedom fighters. they're simply a militant group, but they fight better and they fight more honestly, and the right way. of course you might want to term tehm as terrorists in some situations, but still they're not like Bin laden(al qaeda), or hamas. they're better than that, they're rather more 'legitimate'.

btw Hezbollah has about 6k ready right out guerrillas, but they can call out about 250k if they really meant to!