BET - Black Entertainment Television

Originally posted by FlyersFan
They just don't have a leg to stand on if Jewish folks want their own TV station that shows things from the Jewish point of view; or a White Power station that shows things from a racist white point of view; etc etc.

Well, no one can claim that Jews are under-represented in show business and as for a White Power Channel, I'm sure that would offend more than a few whites to boot.

The objective among us know that certain minorities want it both ways and we can't help but feel a twinge of bitterness because of having our noses rubbed in the inequities of the past for so long.

The same can be said of feminism. No matter how much equality is earned, biology is still biology and some women will never be happy or stop blaming men for their problems.

The more astute among us take note of the realities and go on to more rewarding and less irritating affairs.


[edit on 2006/7/28 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by AlphaHumana
Women's Television Network (or whatever it's actually called, I am not a viewer

are fine.

It's the Lifetime channel, and there is a network called Spike TV that calls themselves the channel for men. So there is balance somewhere

Originally posted by Trash_Bag_Helmet

Originally posted by backtoreality

Originally posted by dgtempe
Come to Cape Cod. There's an organization here for everything up to and including midgets (Little people)

Anything for people with extra long schlongs?
I can't find any where I'm at.

yes actually, its right next to the inflated ego club

I'm an honorary member there. After the next meeting I'll just go next door and sign up.


Uh-oh...extra long schlong club...post about black people...WEIRD!!!

Flyersfan,

I may be mistaken here but i think Hollywood is run by mostly Jewish. Most of the BIG producers, etc...
This would include TV productions.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Well, no one can claim that Jews are under-represented in show business

This is a common position people take. That somehow we're all promised to have equal representation in all aspects of life. Who promised that?

White people aren't equally represented in professional basketball, either, and there are no movements or organizations pushing BB teams to hire more white people or making sure there are a certain number of Jewish people on every pro BB team.

And what about the rap industry? Where are the Hispanic rappers? Eminem is our token white rapper.

I don't have any problem with BET, or Ebony magazine EXCEPT that if white people did the same thing, they'd be considered as racist as they come. Try having White History Month during the month of April.

I totally agree with those here (and Bill Cosby and Morgan Freeman) who say that the separation of Black TV from White TV ADDS to racism more than it ever does anything about equality. If black people want equality, I think they should stop separating themselves out from the rest of society by claiming black this and black that. That's racism, folks.

Men have ESPN and about 14 other sports channels. They don't call it Man TV cause that's all sissy.

[edit on 28-7-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]

So I just had to go looking, damn OCD (Obsessive Curiousity Disorder)... seems Viacom inhaled BET. Here's a link with an interesting perspective www.media-alliance.org... .

Victor K.

Who flys the plane at VIACOM? For your purusal the BoD:

www.viacom.com...;jsessionid=ELCGY3QNW4FCOCQBAFLQ4CY

Read em an' peep...

Victor K.



[edit on 28-7-2006 by V Kaminski]

Life is so unfair.

There's nothing stopping any white person from starting a scholarship for just whites as long as all of the money comes from private donations and not government money.

You may even be able to have tax exempt status for it.
You just have to be able to take the heat from the people complaining.

The same is true for starting your own white entertainment cable or satellite channel.
You just need to worry about getting sponsors and convincing cable carriers to carry your channel.

You probably just have to market it carefully.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
There's nothing stopping any white person from starting a scholarship for just whites as long as all of the money comes from private donations and not government money.

You may even be able to have tax exempt status for it.
You just have to be able to take the heat from the people complaining.

The same is true for starting your own white entertainment cable or satellite channel.
You just need to worry about getting sponsors and convincing cable carriers to carry your channel.

You probably just have to market it carefully.

No there isn't anything legally stopping anyone from starting a white college fund or a white network. The point is, if someone did start one, they would be accused of racism. There would probably be mass protests and even riots.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
There's nothing stopping any white person from starting a scholarship for just whites as long as all of the money comes from private donations and not government money.

You may even be able to have tax exempt status for it.
You just have to be able to take the heat from the people complaining.

The same is true for starting your own white entertainment cable or satellite channel.
You just need to worry about getting sponsors and convincing cable carriers to carry your channel.

You probably just have to market it carefully.

I am in no way trying to advocate this, but it sure would be an interesting social experiment. The more I think about this, the more I think it should at least be attempted. It would take a lot of 'cojones' to seriously attempt it.

By following through with starting a (WET) or (UCaucasianCF), the minorities that would have a problem with it might realize that they are furthering themselves from preventing racism. Once minorities start complaining about a W.E.T. or UcCF, they would have all of there racist views thrown right into their faces. I seriously believe racism is being propogated by the minorities these days.



[edit on 29-7-2006 by mooonhoxe]

[edit on 29-7-2006 by mooonhoxe]

Originally posted by SportyMB
I agree, discrimination is still a huge problem in the U.S, but it has been getting better. I don't use the word reverse discrimination because either way you look at it, no matter who it's from....it's discrimination. No need to sugar coat it.

agreed.

I'm all for BET and Tele Mundo (hot babes), etc. Other than the politics and idiot guest interviews on BET, it's good to go. Let's face it, different races have different taste in entertainment, although they are coming together.

Well, firstly: there's only one race, the human race. and secondly, what you just said (people have different genetic make ups like different things, BECAUSE of their genetic make up) is kind of 'rasict' if you will.

People's ideas and views are a product of their environment, not their ethnicity. Only their appearnce and maybe a small portion of their personality can attributed to ethnicity. EVERYTHING else is culture derived.

I know I'll catch some flak for this, but here goes.

I think a huge part of the problem is with the mindset that many Americans (mainly Black Americans) have. It's socially acceptable for a black dude to get on stage and mock white people (Dave Chappelle ring a bell?) But it's not ok for a white comedian to 'make fun of' black people. Same thing for the N-word, it's ok for a black guy to drop it....but if a white guy says it his career's over.

This I agree with, most of it anyway. The only reason the 'N' word is offensive is because people take offense to it. It's not a magical word. BUT, th same thing can be said about 'cracker' and such. Words don't hurt (at least not to me).

Personally, I don't care who says what about who as long as it's out good fun and not intended to piss anyone off.

Even if intended to piss someone off, it's up to the person who it was said to, to be pissed off. A punch to the face hurts, but you can choose to not let words hurt. I think that's the difference.

Originally quoted by RetinoidReceptor
Exactly! A lot of black people (not so much Hispanic) talk a lot about racism all the time. It is so aggravating. I have told these two people on here, one was ceci something and the other was Harlemharlot or something like that, and they spouted the stupidest things about racism this, prejudice that, bla bla. I told them, YOU ARE CAUSING MORE RACISM. They don't seem to get it. Talking about reparations for slavery, screaming racist all the time, creating black oriented things(such as BET) does more harm than good. It annoys people, and it turns people off from them. I guess they will learn one day

note: "Harlemharlot" is emphasized for the mods.

RetinoidReceptor,

The names are Harlem Hottie and Ceci. We did not spout off stupid things. We pointed out things that Black Americans experienced and you refused to accept them. Instead, you ridiculed us. You are continuing to do so here on this thread.

You only think our experiences and proof are stupid because you don't want to understand it and admitted coldly and repeatedly you don't care.

But you still flaccidly spout off your same drivel and present them as "facts".

And who's the say that this thread is not to spread the same hate and racism against Black people?



And to the thread starter who masks his own attitudes behind picking on two organizations when he just can't state his views directly:

I'd say that there are a lot of haters on this thread if they could pick out of all the "minority" organizations and companies in America, BET and UNCF. To me, it shows the very definite limited scope and lack of depth on the part of the thread starter when talking about reverse racism.

And, I would also question his own tolerance level when he uses such antiquated terms as "Negro".

However, I know that a thread is going to start bad whenever it begins, "I don't mean to pick on a certain race, but....."

Why don't you just ask your question and stop picking on another race?

Why do you have to persecute another race when expressing your own experiences about racism?

If you have to pick on another race and simply berate their organizations, corporations or people, you don't deserve to ask for tolerance nor equality.

Just an off shoot question, what would Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the NAACP say about "White Entertainment Television" if BET was not created? I think they would make a huge commotion. I think they still would still make statements against it even if it was made now. Time to start making the United White College Fund.

And again, I ask, who's stopping you from making this scholarship? Certainly not the minorities. No one is screaming here for you to stop in your tracks. In the scheme of things, no one cares, truly.

Note Grady's response and read it very clearly:

Originally quoted by GradyPhilpott
The objective among us know that certain minorities want it both ways and we can't help but feel a twinge of bitterness because of having our noses rubbed in the inequities of the past for so long.

The same can be said of feminism. No matter how much equality is earned, biology is still biology and some women will never be happy or stop blaming men for their problems.

Well, the same ironically could be said for some of the white people on this thread. For those who are complaining about "Anti-White" racism and "Reverse Racism" want it both ways as well. They certainly make sure that they are rubbing the nose of the "minorities" into their problems and "playing the victim" when it suits them when crying out for "tolerance and equality". Especially when they belly-ache about reparations, affirmative action and "the race card".

Yes, some white people can't be happy unless they blame "minorities" for their own problems and inadequacies and short-comings in society. Biology is biology, nevertheless. And they are as culpable of "playing the victim" in glorious agony.






[edit on 29-7-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by snowflake_obsidian
No there isn't anything legally stopping anyone from starting a white college fund or a white network. The point is, if someone did start one, they would be accused of racism. There would probably be mass protests and even riots.

Whites have been knwon to be racist in the past, and they are still the rich and powerful in america, they control most major media netowrks. So in a sense all major news networks do represent the white view on the world, but yes they do have black journalists to try to show that they aint "white only" but that doesnt mean that the station represents the blacks/hispanic views.
I do understand that there is a double standard, beacuse white people are in power and have to be the one's who cant say "white only", since they are the majority.

ceci2006>>I started this thread by saying "I don't mean to pick on a certain race, but..." because "I am not trying to upset any certain race". True, I am using two black organizations just because of what they are entitled, ie BLACK Entertainment Television and the United NEGRO College Fund. Insert WHITE or CAUCASIAN instead of the fully capitalized words, and the fit would hit the shan.

Once again, I only decided to use these two organizations because they are the most recognizable organizations to Me (thread starter) to use in this discussion. The same goes for ANY race based organization.

As far as using Negro as a description, would you prefer I use the other N word?

Tell me, how exactly have I persecuted any race on this discussion?

I started this thread to show that there are problems with race based organizations. By starting these, they are only reinforcing the idea that their race is the only important one (which is racist).

Well, again, it shows your lack of depth in the knowledge of organizations that support specific races. A lot. You haven't shown a rigorous study of the amount and types of groups out there. That's why I asked.

Instead, you sadly demonstrate the same hateful tendencies of spreading racism RetinoidReceptor pleaded in his post.

I wonder, if you would get the same effect if you would have asked for the Daughters of the American Revolution to disband because of their lack of admission of other races? I think they even sponsor scholarships and do other philanthropy in their name.

For years (even though Blacks and other people of color fought in the Revolution on both sides), the DAR has fought to keep their membership rather "restricted". They even, historically tried to ban Marian Anderson from singing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

So, why not choose the DAR as the center of your tirade instead of BET and UNCF? The last time I looked, their organization is very white, very exclusive and very, very storied. Not to mention "race-based".

Why not choose a country club in any city in America? Rarely are people of color ever admitted there. Or is that a social organization that doesn't practice "reverse racism" and "Anti-White" racism because they almost always solely admit whites to their membership? These organizations are "race based".

Why not pick on the Presidency of the United States? Their "exclusive" group of "electable members", does not have a woman or a person of color among them. One could equally argue to be "admitted" you'd have to be "white and male". So, there is "racism" and "sexism" being practiced when we all choose the POTUS. Their organization is "race based" as well, until we the people choose to change it and the system.

The representation from other races of color, ethnicities and cultures has been underwhelming at the outset.

If you picked any other race of people--let alone their exclusive groups that especially deal with a specific race, I'd think you'd mean business. But you aren't. You're just paying lip service to the problem.





[edit on 29-7-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by Arcane Demesne

Originally posted by SportyMB
Let's face it, different races have different taste in entertainment, although they are coming together.

Well, firstly: there's only one race, the human race. and secondly, what you just said (people have different genetic make ups like different things, BECAUSE of their genetic make up) is kind of 'rasict' if you will.

People's ideas and views are a product of their environment, not their ethnicity.

Yes, I know, the human race I left my PC cap at work...kidding.

Like I said, people of different genetic make ups, race, color, call it what you want, DO have different taste in entertainment when it comes to music and television. BET, CMT....it's all the same

The majority of black Americans (especially the younger ones) have a taste for hip-hop, rap, r&b, etc... Many white Americans like country, rock, oldies and that techno trash. Many hispanic Americans like spanish music more than other Americans do.

I don't see where the confusion is at. Where did I say that any of that was "BECAUSE of their genetic make up"? I didn't give a reason why people like what they like, I assume that ATSers are smart enough to know it's due to enviorment, not color.

Originally posted by SportyMB
Let's face it, different races have different taste in entertainment, although they are coming together.

Ok, substitute race for color. It's still means the same. I don't see how it's racist


Sporty



[edit on 29/7/2006 by SportyMB]

I never said these groups should disband.

I am in no way trying to start some race war here.

Can you not concede that minorities can get away with bashing the majority without repercussions? When someone that is within the majority bashes a minority, repercussions would be demanded by ALL.

I am trying to point out that race based organizations are furthering the effort to absolve racism based on the notions that have been provided.

And why can't you conceed some white people use these topics to openly belittle other races of color without feeling guilty?

[edit on 29-7-2006 by ceci2006]

As far as the DAR is concerned, I haven't heard anything derogatory from them. I've not seen anythig derogatory from the UNCF either, but there sure as hell is a lot from BET. I'm sure you can see that that has been proven so far.