Are Israels action increasing the chances of another holocaust in the future?

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by Knights

Is it me or is it strange that all he graffitti is written in English?

Yes its written in English. Many of the settlers are from english speaking countries. Did you think everyone was born there and speaks/writes hebrew? There are some that are written in hebrew but what would be the point of putting them here if no one understands besides a Israeli or Jewish person


Pie

I could show pictures of houses and streets in America that show those same messages, cross out muslim and put in jew. Pictures are good propaganda for those who do not see through the maliciouse intent of the poster.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

I could show pictures of houses and streets in America that show those same messages, cross out muslim and put in jew. Pictures are good propaganda for those who do not see through the maliciouse intent of the poster.

We already know about that Rockpuck...who cares. The idea is that its not one sided. Thats the idea wether you care to admit it or not. I am already well aware of anti-semetism and nazism. Haven't seen you admit that there are just as many jews that would love to see the eradication of arabs or particularly palestinians. Know why? Because it would hurt your cause, it would prove that you are just as bad as them and no matter what you won't admit that fact even though I know you are well aware of it just like I already know about anti-semetism.

I like how glastonaut casually notes that atrocities like the Holocaust are going on in Africa (not saying you don't care about this). The sad thing is, no one gives a damn because it's black people who are being exterminated. But, that's a whole other issue...

JudahMaccabi, you are borderline bigoted. You have the nerve to claim that Arabs AND Muslims (that distinction you made is quite important) are naturally violent. Wow. :shk: I'm sure if I said something like Jews have a crooked, devious nature you would raise all kinds of hell.

If, like you say, all Jews in Israel actually ARE Zionists, I would have no problem with someone wanting to exterminate each and every last one of them. I'd kill all the Zionists myself if I could. I don't think this is true, but if it is, so be it.

And, don't give me any crap about saying that. If all Germans were Nazis, I would say the same thing about them. Racist people who kill other people because they view them as inferior deserve to be exterminated, in my books. Zionists and Nazis are actually quite similar in some ways...

[edit on 27-7-2006 by truthseeka]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Who has the nukes?

The nation of Israel? is this answer you are looking for?…and not the people that may or may not have painted those slogans in the alleged area of Hebron.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Look at all the lovely Love-letters the Israelis leave for all the arabs everywhere.

Please…those pictures from the “Christian Peacemakers Team” website mean less than nothing and prove nothing, especially your above assumptions. They more than likely painted the signs...if they were even taken while in Hebron.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
You just have to look at Palestine and Lebanon and see who is trying to exterminate who.

Ok, lets look (and not at some far left of the left fringes of the left organization’s pictures)….

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
Hamas Covenant, via translation provided by Yale

Ther's lots more...

Sounds like some great people!…Israel could probably work with them well, become great ‘buds’…they sound receptive and reasonable…right?

Yeah, spray painting on walls…bad thing.

The blame.... "Israel is the catylist" next point...I expect...



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Israel is caught in its own paradox.

By fighting to prevent a holocaust, they are setting themselves up to be victimized again.

Israel Shahek, who was Jewish holocaust survivor, said that if ultra conservative Jews and Zionists did not change their ways of supremecist attitudes towards its gentile neighbors, a holocaust would happen again.

They display with the Palestinians and other Arab neighbors the same mentality and heavy handed tactics that the Nazis once used to subvert and destroy Jewish people 60 years ago.

A classic case of the Oppressed becoming the Oppressor.

Originally posted by missed_gear
The nation of Israel? is this answer you are looking for?…and not the people that may or may not have painted those slogans in the alleged area of Hebron.

If I take a gun and stick the barrel of the gun to your forehead, would I need to verbally get the message across to you that I could quite possibly pull the trigger and kill you? Well apply that to having a WMD pointed towards you. Its a big gun and it can kill a lot of people. It doesn't spread posie seeds all over the earth you know.

The same thing can be said for any arab. Just because their leaders speak it or think it, doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels that way. However, Jews and others are constantly saying Arabs want to push them into the sea just because their leaders speak these words. Apply that to your way of thinking and try to get it out of your head that ALL arabs and muslims want to push israel into the sea. They would be quite happy just to move you up and make space, then move you out or kill you.

Please…those pictures from the “Christian Peacemakers Team” website mean less than nothing and prove nothing, especially your above assumptions. They more than likely painted the signs...if they were even taken while in Hebron.

Ahh I see, my bad. Since its not pictures of Hizbollah Flags near UN flags and pictures of Israeli hate signs, its not believeable. Those signs are fakes and setups painted by the photographers. I forgot

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by Rockpuck

I could show pictures of houses and streets in America that show those same messages, cross out muslim and put in jew. Pictures are good propaganda for those who do not see through the maliciouse intent of the poster.

We already know about that Rockpuck...who cares. The idea is that its not one sided. Thats the idea wether you care to admit it or not. I am already well aware of anti-semetism and nazism. Haven't seen you admit that there are just as many jews that would love to see the eradication of arabs or particularly palestinians. Know why? Because it would hurt your cause, it would prove that you are just as bad as them and no matter what you won't admit that fact even though I know you are well aware of it just like I already know about anti-semetism.

Dude, really common now, I AM NOT A JEW OR AN ISRAELI!!!!!! It ain't my cause, it ain't my nation, it ain't my agenda, it hasn't a thing to do with me. I understand that some, if not maybe a majority of Israelis want to kill the Arabs to justify their suffering. I think that is why they are not caring about civilian lives in Lebanon, killing Christians and Muslims alike. The fact is I understand that if the international community was not watching over Israel 24/7 they would have committed genocide by now and fixed the "Palestinian question", Humans do not learn from history, to assume that because they went through a holocaust that they would never committed one themselves is ridiculous. I also understand your point that we should fear a Muslim holocaust more then a Jewish one, lets face it who has the most guns right? There are not many nations on earth, in fact you can probably count on one hand that can go toe to toe with Israel and live to tell about it.

I am quickly coming to the conclusion that there are many in this community who trive on Ignorance to make there points. I have corrected misconceptions and lies here every chance I had for the one reason of making people base their views on truths and not lies.

If those who think it is Israel's fault that Israel's neighbor want to annhilate us that is truely a tragedy for the world as a whole. Iran wants to annhilate us although Israel and Iran have no border with one another and did not engage in direct military conflict. Iran's hate of Israel is hate based on a extremist ideology. They use the Palestinian issue as an excuse even though Iranians are not connected to Palestinians in any way. They do not speak the same language, one is Sunni Muslim and the other is Shiite Muslim who they themselves are at war with one another in Iraq and they do not share the same ethnic origins.

Israel went to great lengths to make peace with Egypt and Jordan and conceeded to the Palestinian on many issues for the sake of peace. To some in this community it does not matter.
As an Israeli my conscience is clear regarding our 'treatment' of the Palestinians. I know if the situation was reversed Israelis would have been annhilated already.

The Arab/Muslim* that desire to annhilate us do so because that is how they were educated. The Nazis also educated the Germans to think that it is OK to annhilate the Jews because Jews supposedly brought destruction on Germany in WWI. So too the Palestinians are teaching their people that it is OK to kill Jews because they 'stole' their lands - which is a lie. The Syrians tell their people that Jews are killing Arab civilians for no reason - which is a lie.

Yesterday a settlers burnt body was found in the trunk of his car in an Arab village next to Kalqilia. Although the whole story has not been uncovered I will assume the usual story. A settler was kidnapped and murdered - why? Because that settler set off bombs in Palestinian buses, in Palestinian cafes, NO because he is JEWISH!
THIS HAS NO EXCUSE! When the LEHI set off a bomb in the king david hotel, they set it off in the British mandates offices NOT in buses, cafes etc. This is called resistance.
Palestinians are not engaging in resistance so long as they target civilians.I know that palestinian sympathizers do not understand this and I assume that they do not want to understand this either. The one thing I can say is that they are doing themselves a disservice because it will hit them back one day.


*I write Arab/Muslim because those who I label this way fall in both categories. For example Iranians are not Arabs but are Muslim and some Arabs that are not Muslims fall also under this category - like Samir Kuntar who is Lebanese Druze - with that said there are also many Arabs/Muslim who think differently, who want peace, who even like Israel.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
If I take a gun and stick the barrel of the gun to your forehead, would I need to verbally get the message across to you that I could quite possibly pull the trigger and kill you? Well apply that to having a WMD pointed towards you. Its a big gun and it can kill a lot of people

Well, no it’s not anywhere ‘like’ a gun and the consequences for using it (even threatening to use it) has broad reaching repercussions…politically, morally, internationally, physically, etc.….not as simple as pointing a gun…no where near.

Israel is certainly not going to use a nuke in the UNIFIL zone…c’mon…and is certainly not going to use one in Gaza…pfft…yeah Hezbollah and Hamas have a nuclear bomb threat from Israel. Arab nations are sooo petrified, give me a break...

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
The same thing can be said for any arab. Just because their leaders speak it or think it, doesn't mean that EVERYONE feels that way.

Kind of like your spray painted walls with you “generalized statements” that can not possibly apply to all Israelis….right!

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
However, Jews and others are constantly saying Arabs want to push them into the sea just because their leaders speak these words.

Yeah...and Arabs are constantly saying it...what's your point? If ‘someone does openly threaten you with a gun to your head’…and all that rot…no reason to believe them…certainly not the leaders…not even just a little right? What a joke….

Or is this the logic... spray painted graffiti walls representing general Israeli thought and Arab leaders that do not represent Arabs in their public and written messages. lol!

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Apply that to your way of thinking and try to get it out of your head that ALL arabs and muslims want to push israel into the sea.

That is not “my way of thinking”…this is you assumption…typical.

With out discussing various sects and nations....

Both Hamas and Hezbollah have boldly placed the desire to rid the region of the Jews (not just the government read my previous post) in their organizational manifestos for all to read but we can’t take that a serious either…right?

I have a tendency not believe or give any credence whatsoever to the “Kum By Yah” crowd on this topic…mainly becasue of the 'crowd's' selective blindness.

This is “my way of thinking”: Hamas and Hezbollah are not charity organizations nor are they good neighbors and there are at least two sides two every conflict. I personally do not support Israel on many issues…but there is more to this conflict than Palestinian pawns and Hezbollah thugs getting picked-on by mean 'ol Israel.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
They would be quite happy just to move you up and make space, then move you out or kill you.

Who is “you”!...or is the comment yet another assumption…

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Ahh I see, my bad. Since its not pictures of Hizbollah Flags near UN flags and pictures of Israeli hate signs, its not believeable

The two are not even remotely related related, but I agree, most are easily dismissed.

Yes, Just like those silly spray painted pictures you posted, one using an Americanized derogatory reference…(must have been for the NY Times consumption to sell better in the US) ….no proof what so ever, nor can you possibly state with any creditability your posted graffiti represents the whole of Israeli thought as you attempted to spin…. the pictures could have been taken in Los Angeles, Rome or London for all you know…in fact you don't know....

…however it is a verifiable fact that militant Hezbollah flies its’ flag in the UNIFIL region and positions are established 'dangerously close' close to UNIFIL positions (not a stretch to believe that other picture as possible, no?) the UNIFIL command has complained about this for months prior to the current conflict…but why even consider that...right?


mg

Originally posted by Knights


Is it me or is it strange that all he graffitti is written in English?

exactly. how do you know pieman that these were written by Israelis?

In reply to this question, Are Israels actions increasing the chances of another holocaust in the future? I have to ask another, seemingly unrelated question. Where are the Israelis' supposed to go?

Since the day Israel defiantly announced it's statehood in 1948, Israel has survived attacks from as as many as five Arab states simultaneously as well as countless other wars where Israel, typically against overwhelming odds, has overcome and declared victory. Without entering into the political questions of Palestine, I can see how this might weigh heaily in the hearts and minds and proud spirit of the defeated. Certainly a source of underlying hatred and festering resentment and animosity.

The leaders of not one but several Arab and or Muslim states have called for the destructionof Israel. Could the spirit of the Arab/Muslim states have been an aspect of this.....almost assuring the prospect of a looming Holocaust.

Regardless what Israel does, the constant threats and the constant terrorist incursions have certainly played heavily upon the Israeli spirit and psyche as well. Simply looking at a map of the region can show you that Israel is surrounded. What recourse does Israel have? They have been threatened with Holocast already and the question remains " Where can the Israelis' go?"

benevolent tyrant,

In response to your question

Where can the Israelis' go?"

Let me offer you the openning lyrics to an Israeli song
"I have no other land even when the land is burning"

This in essence provides Israelis with the motivation to take on anything. What is seldmly discussed are the Israeli refugees this war with Hezbullah has caused.
I work with 2 people from Haifa. One moved with her family to he bosses house in Tel-Aviv ()the boss is a female) and the other has moved into his inlaws house which are currently hosting 8 people in a 2 bedroom apartment.
I have friends who live in Jerusalem who are hosting 22 people from Haifa. And this is from Haifa alone.

I would also like to point out that Arabs are not strangers to the holocaust.
Haj Amin Al Hussein was the Mufti of Jerusalem and a Nazi collaborator who conspired to erradicate the Jews.

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[edit on 30/7/06 by JudahMaccabbi]