Hezbollah, where is it getting it's Arms from?

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Where is "israel" getting it's arms.

US openly admits arming "israel" , what should be done about america?

Double standards?

The media is painting hezbollah as iranian aided militia, and there's a good chance thats correct. But the US happens to be using ally bases to ensure missles rain back down on them.


how is it any different?

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Where is "israel" getting it's arms.

US openly admits arming "israel" , what should be done about america?

Ummmm..... You are right the U.S. does admit to arming Israel, why doesn't Iran and Syria wish to admit that they actively arm Hezbollah?

Feel free to start your own thread about "Where Israel (Capitol letters for nation names please) get's it's arms"
Please don't derail or hijack my thread on this particular subject.

Thanks

The title of this thread is "Hezbollah, where is it getting it's Arms from?" Yet people don't want to discuss that question. Instead, let's bring the good old USA into this and deflect the question, and the answer to the original question.

God forbid that the discussion should turn toward Hezbollah.

The 13,000 - 50,000 or so small unguided Katyusha rockets are of Russian design. Russia sold these to several Middle East Nations in the '60s. Now manufactured in Iran, the rockets are moved through Syria to militants in Lebanon.

The larger, longer range Fajr-3 and more recently Fajr-5 unguided rocket designs are also of Russian origin. It is said that Iran shipped 100 - 500 Fadjr rockets to Hezbollah thru Syria.

The Israeli Navy ship Hanit was hit by a guided C-802 anti-ship missile of Chinese origin.







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[edit on 7/29/06 by makeitso]

Originally posted by bombers8
God forbid that the discussion should turn toward Hezbollah.

Far too boring…Hezbollah is charity organization don’t you know?…c’mon…

Anyway…attempting to address the question:

Hezbollah has fired weapons from Iran and Syria; some of Chinese design and Russian design…whether or not they are Chinese or Russian "knock-offs" seems to be debated by many sources.

There are plenty of documented instances where the Iranian RG has been training Hezbollah guerillas in Bekaa valley. I think its safe to say Iran and Syria provide a majority of the arms, training and equipment with China and Russia down the line.
Iran has also deployed weapons in Lebanon such as the Zelzal-2.


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they make there own weapons but we admit we give them some backup.

what are you going to do about it?

Since this thread was brought back to life, there is a little more recent information about where the arms were coming from.

Sep. 08, 2006
According to information obtained by Kommersant from Israeli government sources, in the middle of August Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert placed a call to Russian President Vladimir Putin to inform him that members of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah were attacking Israel using modern antitank weapons manufactured in Russia and funneled to the militants by Syria. In particular, the conversation centered around the use by militants of 105-mm RPG-29 "Vampire" multi-use antitank grenade launchers and "Kornet" guided antitank rockets to take out more than ten Israeli tanks.

According to the Israeli prime minister, these weapons were passed to Hezbollah by Damascus despite repeated assurances from Moscow that they would not end up in the hands of militants. Mr. Olmert called on the Russian president to look into the situation in order to avert such incidents in the future. In reply, President Putin demanded proof that Syria was funneling arms to Hezbollah.

A delegation under Deputy General Director of the Israeli Foreign Affairs Ministry Mark Sofer arrived in Moscow on August 18. The evidence that the delegation presented, say Kommersant's Israeli sources, was exhaustive. It turns out that, during operations on the ground in southern Lebanon, Israeli soldiers managed to seize caches of Russian-made antitank weapons. Invoices in the boxes of weapons confirmed their origin: the grenade launchers and rockets had been recently delivered to Syria by Russia.

[edit on 9/8/06 by makeitso]

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
they make there own weapons but we admit we give them some backup.

what are you going to do about it?

But see the problem S.S. is you are not the Syrian Government. As far as I know they have not admitted to knowingly arming Hezbollah.
As for continuining to arm Hezbollah south of the Litani River:

3. Emphasizes the importance of the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory in accordance with the provisions of resolution 1559 (2004) and resolution 1680 (2006), and of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, for it to exercise its full sovereignty, so that there will be no weapons without the consent of the Government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the Government of Lebanon;

Res. 1701

full implementation of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and of resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), that require the disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of 27 July 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese State;
no foreign forces in Lebanon without the consent of its Government;
no sales or supply of arms and related materiel to Lebanon except as authorized by its Government;

I guess that would mean that Syria is violating a UN Security Council Resolution.
Syria does want a strong central government in control of all the territory of Lebanon does it not?

The question of where the rockets were manufactured is a red herring. Compare it to a cell phone designed in America, manufactured in Singapore, sold in Canada and used by Sunnis to detonate an IED in Baghdad.

Who should be blamed? Oh, of course - Israel and the US. I forgot.

I personally think that Hezbollah ask for weapons and buy them or get them themselves rather then being told what to do and what to use by others.

hezbollah demonstared they are capable and know what they are doing.

They purchase there own equipment but also recive some as well. For example they also had weapons from Israel becuase they where using M16/M4 rifles which where stolen from the IDF and purchased throught Israeli weapons dealers/smugglers.

But obviously i think it is most obvious that the larger missiles/rockets where most likely given to them by friendly countries or they purchased them from the black market.

so what? Israel violated every security council resolution that has ever been put up against it.

Anyway they do make their own missiles, there latest one is called the "zelzal" arabic for earthquake.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
so what? Israel violated every security council resolution that has ever been put up against it.

Anyway they do make their own missiles, there latest one is called the "zelzal" Arabic for earthquake.

Great answer, two wrongs make a right?. Why should anyone take Syria at it word then as you so clearly demonstrate their lack of honoring agreements. By the way, Israel has not violated EVERY S.C. resolution, it has ignored quite a few but not all.

Are you saying that Hezbollah is making the "zelzal" or it's latest variant the Shahab-3? All three Zelzal are Iranian made and developed.

You still did not answer the last part of my post.

Syria does want a strong central government in control of all the territory of Lebanon does it not?

You silence on this speaks volumes.

what i personally want is different to what syria wants, so how can i answer your question.

Ok, how bout this then:

Syrian Sister, do you want a strong central government in control of all the territory of Lebanon? Did you prefer it when Syria was there "keeping the peace".