Chariots Found in the Red Sea

i thought that this was very interesting for the people who dont beleive in the bible.
www.pinkoski.com...


i think its awesome that they are finding things that are proving that all the so called " stories" in the bible actually happened.

maybe they are discovering these things now, because we are getting real close to the end? what do you guys think of this discovery?

Edited to remove caps from title

[edit on 26-7-2006 by masqua]

i think most people agree that the bible can be used as an accurate account of history. Archaeological findings always validate the accuracy of the bible. Its just that people can't accept the moral and supernatural aspects of the bible, when it contradicts modern "science" and when it dictates how we should live our lives.

Originally posted by mindtrip02
i thought that this was very interesting for the people who dont beleive in the bible.
www.pinkoski.com...


i think its awesome that they are finding things that are proving that all the so called " stories" in the bible actually happened.

maybe they are discovering these things now, because we are getting real close to the end? what do you guys think of this discovery?

Edited to remove caps from title

[edit on 26-7-2006 by masqua]

I think that's pretty awesome for sure!
I don't "NEED" for them to find "proof" for me to believe, & KNOW the truth.... but that's REALLY cool!

There will be MANY MANY people looking for ways to debunk this though. As usual.
They'll find SOME explanation of how it's "something else", & not biblical.
My response to that... "WHATEVER"..... HA!

There have been quite a lot of verifiable proof of things mentioned in the Bible.
.... & again, people LOVE to explain them away with "reasons" it can't be what it is.

Thanks for sharing the info!!!!!

Whilst this is a great historical find, how exactly is it proof that something from the Bible happened? As farfetched as this theory may sound, is there not a possibility that the chariots were from a boat which was transporting them sometime in history? Maybe the boat and it's crew and contents sunk?

Do the chariots and bones even date from the times of the Red Sea crossing? I could'nt see these details on the page there, i think i was distracted by the requests for money for the book and video!

CX.

Originally posted by CX
Whilst this is a great historical find, how exactly is it proof that something from the Bible happened? As farfetched as this theory may sound, is there not a possibility that the chariots were from a boat which was transporting them sometime in history? Maybe the boat and it's crew and contents sunk?

Do the chariots and bones even date from the times of the Red Sea crossing? I could'nt see these details on the page there, i think i was distracted by the requests for money for the book and video!

CX.

That's exactly what I'm talking about!
People trying to explain it away...
(just kidding! LOL)

Actually, that IS a very reasonable possibility. It could very well be what happened.

We may not ever really know for sure how those got there..... but it's interesting for sure!

Ah but now we have the obvious scenario of someone like me who does'nt believe in the bible requiring proof that these are from the red sea crossing story, and then theres the person who truely believes in the bible who does'nt require proof to believe in this find, as belief is all they need.

So where does that leave the Christian who is a member of ATS then? Everyone knows an ATS member needs absoloute proof before they truely believe in anything!

CX.

Originally posted by CX

So where does that leave the Christian who is a member of ATS then? Everyone knows an ATS member needs absoloute proof before they truely believe in anything!

CX.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Now THAT is something to think about!!!
I think that is the most solid statement I've heard in a LONG time!
I don't think there's much of an argument to top that one!

Nice shootin' Tex!!!
LOL!!!


The ultimate "WIN" in a single last sentence!
HA.

*cheers*

well i understand your disbelief, my boyfriend and i debate god and the bible all the time, when i showed him this he said the same thing, : how do we know that this didnt come from a boat. another theory is that there used to be a land bridge at this point. there is another link that i will find that shows many different inscriptions in the rocks and mountains next to the site from both egyptians and jews taking about what happened at that point. the egyptians scribes were mostly talking of greif that their loved ones passed when the god of the hebrews was angry and sent the waters on top of them.

they have done studies and dated these wheels to the 18th dynasty of the pharoahs, which is exaclty when the exodus happened.

i dont think that they would find that many wheels and whole axis' on the floor of the sea. they have found like over 400 wheels at the bottom ( i think, i know its alot), if this was from a boat.
and if it was at one time a land bridge and it just so happened that at the time of exodus the water decided to return from the recision and fall on the pharoahs army, thats pretty coincidental. its funny that none of the hebrews were harmed, but as soon as the army coming after them entered the sea, it fell back on them. thats some pretty dumb luck.
and if this was true , that at one time the waters would recede and create a land bridge sometimes, why doesnt it happen now?

i read this on one of the other members signature , and man is it true
" believers need no proof, for non believers , no proof will suffice"

im out
-mindtrip02

[edit on 27-7-2006 by mindtrip02]

Originally posted by CX
Whilst this is a great historical find, how exactly is it proof that something from the Bible happened? As farfetched as this theory may sound, is there not a possibility that the chariots were from a boat which was transporting them sometime in history? Maybe the boat and it's crew and contents sunk?

Do the chariots and bones even date from the times of the Red Sea crossing? I could'nt see these details on the page there, i think i was distracted by the requests for money for the book and video!

CX.

Exactly what I was thinking before I read your post CX. If they had the ability to make boats that big though I do not know, and that apparently is not something people write about because I can't find anything on it.

i think that if a boat that big sunk, with wheels made out of gold , and that much on board , it would have been documented. another thing. didnt the egyptians usually always use the nile as a waterway?

[edit on 27-7-2006 by mindtrip02]

First, that's a very old "discovery" -- and a fairly well known (and suspicious one.)

Second, there's only photographs of it. Wyatt swore he found them. Swore he had them dated.

They then vanished. Divers have searched the area where he said he found them (there's some discrepancies, I should add) and nobody ever came up with anything.

There is good Biblical archaeology going on, but none of it was done by Ron Wyatt, I'm afraid. Wyatt has been known to fake things.

Weren't chariots very common in that era and region [whole Roman empire thing?] Has this artifact been accurately been dated? I couldn't find it on the web page. [Edit. Bird answered this.] I have to agree with CX on this one.. someone ran off a road [or bridge/landbridge], a boat capsized or someone dumped it.
I wonder how people will view all the stolen cars in rivers in a couple of thousand years. Maybe some kid just took a chariot out for a joyride.

[edit on 27-7-2006 by riley]

Wouldn't chairiot wheels be constructed out of wood? Just seems odd that it appears most of the chariot would be made out of metal, harder for the horses to pull. 3,000 years is a mighty long time for wood to survive underwater at relatively shallow depths. My warning radar is going up on this one.

Apparently this guy has solved all the mysterys out there

Noah's Ark, Sodom & Gomorrah, Pyramids, Red Sea Crossing, The Real Mt. Sinai and the Ark of the Covenant



Does sure strike me as being strange indeed and yet before today i have never heard of him, a man with these discoveries would surely be famous.

thats funny riley
but there is alot of other links, here let me get them
www.worldnetdaily.com...
www.arkdiscovery.com...
users.netconnect.com.au...

i know that the wyatt guy is not credible, but there has been other people to see these things. i think that definately needs to be more divers, and studies on this. it would be great to bring one of the wheels up, but since there is so much turmoil in the middle east its hard to get access and its hard to be allowed to even go down there , better yet, bring one of these things up from the sea floor. well maybe those sites will help.

im out
-mindtrip02

some chariot wheel were made out of wood, but the pharoahs would have been made out of metal and gold. wood has been known to last a long time in water as long as the atmosphere isnt that harmful/ i really dont know what the red sea is like, but in the black sea, the water is unaccesible. the very bottom of the water is in some kind of poison that even woodeating bugs cant survive, they have found 5k year old roman boats down there completely in tact.

im out
-mindtrip02

Thanks, Byrd. Dependable to say the least!

Originally posted by mindtrip02
there is another link that i will find that shows many different inscriptions in the rocks and mountains next to the site from both egyptians and jews taking about what happened at that point. the egyptians scribes were mostly talking of greif that their loved ones passed when the god of the hebrews was angry and sent the waters on top of them.

Mindtrip,
There exists no, none, nada, not one piece of evidence for the Exodus outside the Old Testament. No Egyptian scribes wrote of it, no inscriptions from the time by Hebrews or Egyptians anywhere in Egypt or anywhere else.

However, that really is neither here nor there, as even if every word in Exodus was true, the Egyptians certainly wouldn't have recorded any of it since it reflects poorly on them, a characterization they never, ever allowed in their own histories.

Originally posted by mindtrip02they have done studies and dated these wheels to the 18th dynasty of the pharoahs, which is exaclty when the exodus happened.

The Exodus, which has never been shown to be established fact, also has never been dated. The Bible does not mention which Pharoah was in charge at the time, the Egyptians have no record of it. There's just no evidence whatsoever for it, so how on Earth could you know in "exactly" which Dynasty it occured?

Harte

umm excuse me, it never says which pharoah was in charge??? does ramses ring a bell. have you even read exodus?and yes, i will find the link that shows the scribes next to the site,

im out
-mindtrip02

[edit on 27-7-2006 by mindtrip02]

here ya go harte
bibleprobe.com...

im out
-mindtrip02

Originally posted by mindtrip02
umm excuse me, it never says which pharoah was in charge??? does ramses ring a bell. have you even read exodus?and yes, i will find the link that shows the scribes next to the site,

Yes, Ramses rings a bell. You mean Ramses, Ramses II or Ramses III?

And no, the Bible doesn't mention the name of the Pharoah of Exodus.

So, you are excused.

If you want, here's a starter for you:
The Book of Exodus

The Problem of Israel's Origins

Dating the Pentateuch

How Reliable is Exodus?

Here's a short snippet from that last one for you.

The name of the pharaoh who set the Israelites to work making bricks is not given, an omission modern scholars sometimes find very annoying, and a contrast with later references in the Biblical books of Kings, which mention Pharaohs Shishak and Necho. But it was normal for people in Egypt to refer simply to "the pharaoh" in the New Kingdom period, when the Exodus presumably occurred.

My emphasis.

Harte