Israel "Ignored" UN Troops Pleas To Stop Firing So Close To Them

I said it before and I'll say it again

The U.S. should STOP supporting Israel totally and for good !!!

Israel is just as bad as Hezbollah and deserves NOTHING !

Originally posted by hogtie
OK, I'm sorry. That was hyperbole. My point is that civilians are moving out of the way if they can, and if the UN has nothing to contribute, it only makes sense that they do the same thing instead of taking fire.

First of all, thanks for correcting that, makes more sense now.

About the UN having nothing to contribute, the UN personnel there were in charge of observing the situation, they have been there for a long time. They are not there to contribute, and they were not supposed to be fired upon.

Israel starts firing on UN buildings, and there are people here blaming everyone else but those who fired the rockets! Is it just me, or am I detecting more people that are not willing to think outside the box if it compromises their concrete beliefs?

Good point, Pavil, and it makes more sense than me believing that the UN is leaning heavily to one side. I still think that they are biased against Israel, but I believe that you are closer to the truth.

Originally posted by niteboy82
Israel starts firing on UN buildings, and there are people here blaming everyone else but those who fired the rockets! Is it just me, or am I detecting more people that are not willing to think outside the box if it compromises their concrete beliefs?

Sure, it is a bad when UN observers get hit by both sides. It's bad when Israel strikes them, it's bad when Hezbollah strikes them. It's bad when Hezbollah sets up postions next to UN observers as well. Hopefully we will find out all the circumstances invovled in this event. The truth hopefully will come out. There is more to the story than we have heard so far I bet.

That being said, the UN spokesman himself said Hezbollah were setting up next to a UN post at least once and I am inclined to believe that they would do that often as a way of shielding themselves from attack. It is not too much of a stretch to think this might have happened at this event.

As the information comes in from this event and we have more facts, I ask this. If we find out that indeed Hezbollah was set up very near these UN observers, like they have done previously, and firing on Israeli troops, will you think outside the box as well?

The post was hit by a precision-guided missile

This was no accident. You dont accidently hit something with a precision-guided missile . Otherwise it wouldn't be very precise. Unless, of course, Hezbollah was litterally inside the UN.

The facts speak for themselves.

6 hours of less precise shelling.

10 "annoying calls"

1 precision-guided missile hits it.
(The kind we just expedited to Israel)

Sound logical to you?






[edit on 26-7-2006 by xEphon]

Originally posted by pavil
As the information comes in from this event and we have more facts, I ask this. If we find out that indeed Hezbollah was set up very near these UN observers, like they have done previously, and firing on Israeli troops, will you think outside the box as well?

Of course this is a tactic used by Hezbollah.

Another 5 incidents of firing close to UN positions from the
Israeli side were reported yesterday. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired
from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Bra#, and
At Tiri. All UNIFIL positions remain occupied and maintained by the troops.
UNIFIL Field Report July 26, 2006. (pdf.)

UNIFIL can not complete its' mandate (more than just simple 'observers') under hostile conditions (it did not do it before hostilities).

The UN is allowing these troops to be placed in harms way for no gain to the international community and very little to the locals...imo, evacuate them now and move them back in when the fighting is over.

Hezbollah is going to get close to the UNIFIL and hope for UN peacekeepers get fired upon...

mg

Originally posted by missed_gear


The UN is allowing these troops to be placed in harms way for no gain to the international community and very little to the locals...imo, evacuate them now and move them back in when the fighting is over.

But then the UN will lose part of the hammer with which it wants to pound Israel with. Why would they give up the "moral high ground"?

All the diplomats who were at Rome today should have condemmed the attack on the UN observation posts. The officials at the UN posts contacted the I.D.F. 5 to 6 times informing them that they were firing on them, Were these calls ignored, yes they were, does not take away the fact Israel attacked the UN, they should have been slapped down for doing so.


Simple fact is Israel ignored all the warnings anf they should be held accountable for the deaths of these UN Observors, or the Soldiers who attacked them in the first place.


A UN Soldier interviewd by Sky News has said that this incident was no accident that Israel Deliberately Targeted their buildings.

Capt Ronan Corcoran said the UN's monitoring positions all along the Blue Line were well known to all sides and warfare technology was too sophisticated for the attack to have been accidental.

Link: www.sky.com...

[edit on 26-7-2006 by spencerjohnstone]

Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
All the diplomats who were at Rome today should have condemmed the attack on the UN observation posts. The officials at the UN posts contacted the I.D.F. 5 to 6 times informing them that they were firing on them, Were these calls ignored, yes they were, does not take away the fact Israel attacked the UN, they should have been slapped down for doing so.

Little correction if you don't care

Israel troops 'ignored' UN plea

UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says.

The post was hit by a precision-guided missile after six hours of shelling, diplomats familiar with the probe say.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by niteboy82

I also still cannot see why people are taking sides. I see no side worthy of taking, still. I see governments killing people.

Extremelly well put.The only worthy words i've heard so far on this issue.

Lets face it, the UN has done nothing to stop terrorist from attacking Isreal. Perhaps Isreal did just kill a terrorist forward observer post.

Who cares the UN is useless...........there guys might have been the ones who raped all those little girls in the Congo. God just punished them. Way to go God!

Originally posted by pavil
Where's the blame for Hezbollah being cowardly and setting up where innocents most likely will get injured and killed because Hezbollah set up base next door to them?

You won't hear it characterized that way here. You'll hear it called a valid tactic being used by a group fighting a much larger, superior opponent. All is fair in love and war, after all.

Except when Israel decides to take that advantage away from the Hezbollah. Then it becomes an Israeli atrocity.

Originally posted by thermopolis
Lets face it, the UN has done nothing to stop terrorist from attacking Isreal. Perhaps Isreal did just kill a terrorist forward observer post.

Who cares the UN is useless...........there guys might have been the ones who raped all those little girls in the Congo. God just punished them. Way to go God!

I Agree totaly. Maybe there is still hope that Isreal will level that useless building in Manhatten since Bush, the man I hired for the job, does not have the balls to do it. That realestate could better searve my countrymen if we would build a homeless shelter there and use it to rehabilitate peoples lives after they have hit rock bottom. Screw the un!

Originally posted by thermopolis
Lets face it, the UN has done nothing to stop terrorist from attacking Isreal. Perhaps Isreal did just kill a terrorist forward observer post.

Who cares the UN is useless...........there guys might have been the ones who raped all those little girls in the Congo. God just punished them. Way to go God!

I'll repeat it once again.

The UN O-B-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-O-N force is not in Southern Lebanon to intervene. It's there to observe and report tensions, not to actively take part in conflicts. Furthermore, the observation forces are not armored at all or very lightly.

I personally find your post quite insulting and rude, but now we're talking about rapes.

Have you read this?

As many as 35 Israeli soldiers are suspected of statutory rape of an 11-year-old girl who lived with her family on an air force base in southern Israel.

Defence lawyers say the girl, now in counselling, lied to the soldiers about her age, claiming she was older, and that the sex was consensual. Regardless, legal experts said the soldiers could still be prosecuted for statutory rape.

The case marks a new low for the military, once Israel's most revered institution, tarnished in recent years by incidents of financial corruption and sexual misconduct.

Limited details released by the military indicate at least 17 Israeli air force soldiers have been investigated, and several others are likely to be called in.

The girl lived with her family on the base where her father, a career military man, served.

The family has since left the base and the girl is under psychological care, the army said.

www.news.com.au...

[edit on 26-7-2006 by Mdv2]

Standard operating procedure in the terrorist handbook is "when attacking is to use innocents (or possibly UN troops) as cover."

It's listed just up there as "when captured, claim abuse and torture."

This is a very interesting report to read:

www.un.org...

It seems Israel don't care about the UN employees observing in Southern Lebanon at all. More accident have happened the last two weeks.

Originally posted by thermopolis
Lets face it, the UN has done nothing to stop terrorist from attacking Isreal. Perhaps Isreal did just kill a terrorist forward observer post.

Who cares the UN is useless...........there guys might have been the ones who raped all those little girls in the Congo. God just punished them. Way to go God!

Just when you think that people on ATS can't get any *removed* another total *removed* crawls out of the woodwork and reminds you just how low humanity can really sink.


Mod Edit: Removed open insults

[edit on 26-7-2006 by ZeddicusZulZorander]

Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by thermopolis
Lets face it, the UN has done nothing to stop terrorist from attacking Isreal. Perhaps Isreal did just kill a terrorist forward observer post.

Who cares the UN is useless...........there guys might have been the ones who raped all those little girls in the Congo. God just punished them. Way to go God!

Just when you think that people on ATS can't get any *removed* another total *removed* crawls out of the woodwork and reminds you just how low humanity can really sink.

Took the words right out of my mouth!


Mod Edit: Edited quote.

[edit on 26-7-2006 by ZeddicusZulZorander]

Pavil has it figured out. We see it time and time again...the terrorists (freedom fighter if you prefer) hide in neighborhoods so as to surround themselves with lots of nice convienient innocents, then when the enemy (whomever it might be) finally have to shoot at them, if only in self-defence, they have victims to parade in front of the international community shedding crocodile tears the whole time. Who do the international community usually blame? Gee, take a guess. It usually isn't the terrorists.

The UN incident is truely regretable. In an active fight, observers should get out of the way. Tragic mistakes happen in a war.

The IDF goofed tragically. Nothing nefarious, just a horrible mistake, which happens all too often is war.

Originally posted by neformore
Just when you think that people on ATS can't get any *removed* another total *removed* crawls out of the woodwork and reminds you just how low humanity can really sink.

Why is this person insulted? Why?

They have an idea different then yours with regards to fighting terror, so they are automatically insulted? Seems like a prime example of "low humanity" and also a prime example of why there are still wars in this world. Differences which lead to insults and more, rather than discussion.

Shame.