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Originally posted by HowardRoark
I totally lost you there. What do you mean that the columns could have been supporting 0 load?
They weren't supporting 0 load, they were supporting the building above them.
Originally posted by Masisoar
JimC, so the building fell progressively faster yet was losing mass at the same time.
Losing structural mass.. yet still manages to take down the rest of the 70+ something floors below it that were structurally sound. I know a large mass like that can cause significant damage, I'm not going to argue you there, but the whole building. No.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Aside from using classic conspiracy theory logic, ie "it's true because you can't prove it", you also ignore the fact that columns had already buckled much earlier -- and this buckling did not propogate at all!
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by JIMC5499
Each floor added its energy to collapsing the floor below it.
Do you understand the fact that pulverizing concrete into a very fine powder takes a lot of energy? Or dissociating steel members?
Energy was not just added from floor to floor. That is about the farthest from what actually happened. Aside from massive amounts of energy being exerted by the falling floors for each additional floor destroyed, most of the mass was also falling over the sides of the buildings. Also, each floor was progressively taking more and more energy to destroy because of thicker columns towards the base, and floors that have already been destroyed do not destroy additional floors very efficiently. Imagine a destroyed floor falling. They were falling everywhere, in all directions -- in pieces.
Not just straight down, gaining momentum and mass and speed the whole time.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
The lightweight concrete used in the WTC flooring doesn't take much to be reduced to powder.
The amount of debris falling outside of the tower area ia negligable, in compairison of the over all mass of the building.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
... you can see that the entire building above the impact zone starts to move as one piece, it is only later that it disintegrates.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Let me see if I have this right.
Claim:
WTC 7 was a controlled demolition because the building collapsed into it’s own footprint.
Claim
WTC 1 and 2 were controlled demolitions because the debris was “blown” all over the place.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
It appears to me that the buckling had progressed from just past column 330 to past 340 in these two pictures.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Wrong.
The core had no lateral stability.
Originally posted by Slap Nuts
Originally posted by HowardRoark
The cladding won't "fall" inward.
No, but if it falls off, it will ive the visual impresson of a depression on the facade.
Also... what do you see in the core in this pic HowardRoark:
[edit on 31-7-2006 by Slap Nuts]
Originally posted by HowardRoark
There is a clear bowing inward in those pictures.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
That looks like the lower portion of the building.
Originally posted by Slap Nuts
but your statement was that the core could withstand "no lateral load" howardroark. This is a FLAT OUT LIE.
Just because it does not have diagonal pracing, does not mean the "matrix" connected columns that created the core could withstand "no lateral load". That notion is ridiculous.