oneness and separation

consider this:

we are all one

we are all different aspects of this oneness, changing/evolving what we all choose to make of it all

it is the illusion of separation that we create to experience this reality

it is the illusion of separation that is killing us

will we ever realise our oneness and stop the unnecessary killings? or will we remain in conflict and this separation?

I've heard this so much lately, it's starting to get EXTREMELY old. I'm just tired of this bhuddist junk. Sorry, but I'm not feeling it at all. Each person is unique. That's my take on the situation.

i think its more of an illusion of difference, not separation that causes much of the "needless" killing that happens.

there is no separation as i believe we are all connected in some way, may not be the same way each time but there is always something connected to us that binds us to others. i also feel part of the problem lies in societal conditioning, we're taught to focus on negative things. watch the 6 o'clock news or the national news for a whole week. record each negative thing they report (murder, war, terrorism, etc) with a hash mark and record how many positive things (saving a family from a burning house, a report on feeding the homeless, etc) with a hash mark and compare the two lists. you WILL see that the negatives far outweight the positives. does anyone think this doesnt effect us all in a negative way psychologicially in the long term? i believe it effects us much more than we realize.

too much focus on negative things and difference more than how we're a lot alike and the positive things that happen.

my 2 cents worth.


[Edited on 28-10-2003 by ThePrankMonkey]

Yes, we are all of one. However, each is a unique spirit and part of God. Most problems with the world are powered by people searching for the future instead of trying to remember the past.

Loki, my friend, it is not "Bhuddist junk" but the truth that most everyone is seeking. I am of no religion. I, you, and everyone are of God. If everyone would stop for 5 minutes and wash out the crap that everyone teaches and listens to their Holy Spirit within them this world would be much better off.

sure we are unique loki, unique parts of the whole. of course i could be wrong about this, but it just feels right for me. i believe that if "whatever" works for you does, then believe it/apply it, if not, then don't. it doesnt really matter. this is freewill. i was just wondering what it will take for the world to change. i mean, there are hundreds of posts on how it will end. but how about how it will/could flourish?

Originally posted by Loki
I've heard this so much lately, it's starting to get EXTREMELY old. I'm just tired of this bhuddist junk. Sorry, but I'm not feeling it at all. Each person is unique. That's my take on the situation.

It isn't junk because science is beginning to realise it.

Originally posted by deafence#
sure we are unique loki, unique parts of the whole. of course i could be wrong about this, but it just feels right for me. i believe that if "whatever" works for you does, then believe it/apply it, if not, then don't. it doesnt really matter. this is freewill. i was just wondering what it will take for the world to change. i mean, there are hundreds of posts on how it will end. but how about how it will/could flourish?

i feel this is a good analogy.

we're like a car. some of us make up the pistons, other the valves and the crankand the connecting rods. some make up the block and other sheet metal and body structure. but the whole product runs, separately we are rather worthless and nothing much gets done.

wow not the best comparison i've ever done but certainly unique!

[Edited on 28-10-2003 by ThePrankMonkey]

now we're getting somewhere! so come on, what should be done? let's start rolling out the ball of hope people!

The best way to do that is through example

Sorry but I go with the Buddhist junk idea to.

Does this oneness mean that all people are like tenticles on an octopus?

Or are we all one as made from the same bit of clay?

If we are all changing to what we want it to be then surely that is the best thing for us, or should one tenticle of an individual go around radiating loving kindness in order to influence the other tenticles to stop hitting them?

If thats the case what is the role of the body of the octopus, if there is one, or is each individual an equal part of the whole to each other and there IS not coordinating entity, in which case my desire to live in my way is totally equal to yours.

Statements like this sound profound, but when you try and get to the core meaning, you realise that there is none, its all empty air...

Yep, I'll have to go along with the 'buddist junk' gang.
Sorry

An octopus isn't a good comparison. Use the human body and it's cells.

And like I've said again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again... science is supporting this now.

Holographic theory, Field Theory, Ether, consciousness studies etc... They all say that we are part of something much larger than us and that individuality is an illusion. There is a substance that is within everything and around everything that exists and all matter is formed out of this substance, the human body and mind is also part of this substance.

In a deeper sense, Hitler is you and you are Hitler, Osama Bin Laden is you and you are Osama, Mother Theresa is you and you are her, George W Bush is you and you are GWB, Jesus is you and you are Jesus, God is you and you are God.

Even Jesus said it... " The Kingdom of God is within you and all around you."

amen to that,

i think bandit hit it perfectly there. but then again you are free to believe/follow/choose what you prefer. so if this doesnt cut it for you, that's perfectly fine. if you prefer not to believe this idea, then you will not experience it. simple as that. neither idea is wrong or right, or the way, just another way.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Even Jesus said it... " The Kingdom of God is within you and all around you."

Jesus never said "the kingdom of God is within you and all around you".
He did say that its with in you, but by this he meant a kingdom that has its throne in the heart, on which Christ, the King, sits. It has to be formed by yielding our hearts to Christ.
This was in reference to believers.

You can't bring Jesus into this discussion because Jesus never supported such an idea.

Hey NC,

Actually with respect to issues of inherent interconnectedness there is actually no culture, which has not addressed the matter in a positive light in its own way. Would of course cite for the record the issue of God being everywhere and within, which in general is pervasive throughout the world.

But of course the real meat and potatoes of this matter comes from the application of the scientific method of which would cite this example.

www.consciousness.arizona.edu...

As well this one is more comprehensive in its assertions...

www.consciousness.arizona.edu...

In reality Buddhism is often cited in respect to this matter but in general, the basis of religion with respect to all cultures inherently suggests the cog analogy with respect to the acts of individuals.

Personally I feel that individualism is extremely relevant as I take into consideration many paths leading to the same source, but for the record I do not deny those paths
Have in general something in common.

Would also cite the attached as something to be considered.

www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk...

Would as well site the body of the church as stated�..

From Helen

What Christ Jesus did do was to establish the Church, which Scripture calls both His Body and His Bride. the communion which man seeks with God is found by being part of the Church, something which St. Paul calls a "great mystery", whereby we become members of Christ: "of His flesh, and of His bones."

The analogy does seem accurate.

Any thoughts?


[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Toltec]

Originally posted by StationsCreation

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Even Jesus said it... " The Kingdom of God is within you and all around you."

Jesus never said "the kingdom of God is within you and all around you".
He did say that its with in you, but by this he meant a kingdom that has its throne in the heart, on which Christ, the King, sits. It has to be formed by yielding our hearts to Christ.
This was in reference to believers.

You can't bring Jesus into this discussion because Jesus never supported such an idea.

That's because the book it's written (gospel of Thomas) in was not included in the bible for very obvious reasons. The church would never have the power they would have later on. All about power and politics.

reply to post by StationsCreation


Jesus sure did support Oneness.. It is what he thought. The word of God. Rule one. NO GOD BEFORE ME.

Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Yes, we are all of one. However, each is a unique spirit and part of God.

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Loki, my friend, it is not "Bhuddist junk" but the truth that most everyone is seeking. I am of no religion. I, you, and everyone are of God. If everyone would stop for 5 minutes and wash out the crap that everyone teaches and listens to their Holy Spirit within them this world would be much better off.

Are you sure you are not confusing the breath of life given by GOD's grace to fallen man, with being born of GOD?

Are you sure you are not confusing the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD with the heart of man which is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked?

Great Post. It is true, we are all one, whenever you meet anyone in life you are meeting yourself. Other people act as a reflection to yourself, a perfect mirror, whatever your thinking at the time they will reflect it. You receive as you give. The human form is a condition we have, a limitation we have imposed on ourself, which we can transcend at any moment and often do, when we laugh at eachother or ourselves we lose all sense of boundaries for a while and it can become infectous, because minds are joined.

I was swimming the other day and saw this really really beautiful woman and thought to myself that's me. It's a great feeling when you see somebody else and think that, and I suppose one should keep this mindset at all times even for the 'baddies of the world' like George Bush for instance, if he indeed is a baddie, I don't think so though because no offence to the guy but he is a bit too stupid to have supposedly run a country! George Bush to me is one of the most comedic persons on the planet inadvertingly.

So we are all one, deal with it!

Originally posted by deafence#will we ever realise our oneness and stop the unnecessary killings? or will we remain in conflict and this separation?

You almost got it and then your ego started judging. It is all one, if it is all god, it is all an illusion, but then you say "but see this and that needs to be fixed because I don't like that part of the divine illusion".

If love and nurturing and all things good are the reflection of God in this "oneness" then the negative aspects are ALSO part of God, both aspects are equally divine in nature. To judge what should and should not be part of the "great illusion" is ego talking.

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