Israel Set War Plan More Than a Year Ago

Everyone seemed a bit surprised at the "disproportionate over reaction" of Israel.

Must have something to do with the fact they were just looking for an excuse for putting their plans in motion.

I hope all those people screaming that it's about "kidnapped" soldiers realize that they are being played once again.
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Gools it was very obvious as soon as they started taking out Infrastructure,blockading the port as well as taking out Cell towers, they weren't looking for those soldiers. This is almost a mirror of Iraq and actually Afghanistan now that GWB has given up the search for the maniacal Dr. Bin Laden. Entering the country under false pretenses telling the world it was to search for the soldiers, then it was changed to freeing the Christians from Hizbollah (They tried to play on the Christians again),and attempting to involve Syria and Iran at the same time.


Pie

the probelm is israel probably have loads of plans of this and that. bit like the pentagon they have plans on everything.

though i do admit the war did start quickly, these plans are probably always there in what ever military group does them.

Just checking the facts and came across one reason Israel would not want Hezbollah running things in Lebanon:

Natural resources:

limestone, iron ore, salt, water-surplus state in a water-deficit region, arable land

No water would be death to anyone, not just Israel. But my question is, where does the pipeline run?


The land area of Lebanon is total: 10,400 sq km. 3,000 sorties have been made, 1,800 targeted infrastructure. 375 Lebanese dead and 600,000 refugees on the move, maybe as many as a million displaced.

All I can say is that this is NOT the way to win friends and influence people.


[edit on 23-7-2006 by psyopswatcher]

Israel had plans to invade Lebanon and take the Litani River in the 60's and 70's. The Palestinian presence was a pretext for an imperial invasion. Israel needs more land and they want Lebanon. They've aimed for it before, they'll do it again.

You are most correct, Lebanon's water is high on Israel's wish list.

Hey you guys may just have a point there..
It may not be so much political as agricultural

Having been through most of both countries Lebanon is BY FAR the more fertile land

Agent T, you're in Dubai, eh?

How true is this statement:

WHEN SECRETARY of State Condoleezza Rice heads to the Middle East next week, she'll be coping with a lot of pressures: a Lebanese government desperate for help to end the current fighting there, an Israeli government determined to smash Hezbollah's military structure before it stops the conflict, and Arab allies so fearful of their own publics' anger over the fighting that they have decided to meet Secretary Rice in Rome rather than in an Arab capital.


source: WSJ

The part that I have bolded.

I still think the Arabs are letting this happen so they can swoop in and take control in some other manner, the terrorism being played to their advantage--or Business as Usual.

Probably the same reason Rice is dragging her feet getting a diplomatic show on the road.

Seeing as though Israel is now openly welcoming a NATO-led presence in Lebanon I would say the Israeli plan would call for Israel occupying Southern Lebanon again (everything south of the Litani) and NATO propping up the Siniora government in the rest of Lebanon.

Of course Israel will claim the renewed occupation of Southern Lebanon is again a "buffer zone" between Israel proper and the "terrorist" Hezbollah. The reason the Israeli 18 year occupation of Southern Lebanon didnt work was that Hezbollah had the rest of Lebanon to operate in. Israel needs accomplices in holding back Hezbollah and it just looks like they may get it.

The first opening move by Israel was getting Syria out of Lebanon. To do that they used their Lebanese MOSSAD assassins to kill Rafik Hariri and then blame Syria.

The second move was to free up Israeli forces and consolidate Israel's defences. To do this they withdrew from the Gaza Strip, which is useless for Israel when compared to Southern Lebanon. The plan also called for the withdrawal from the West Bank but Ariel Sharon's health scuppered that.

Third, Israel formulated an up-to-date plan to send Lebanon back to "the stone age". The plan, as outlined in this thread, was to turn Lebanon into a complete humanitarian nightmare which the international community would be unable to ignore. The Israeli insistance that only troops from modern nations take up the mantle of Lebanon occupiers points to the crucial role they will play to Israel's new "buffer zone".

Fourth, Israel ratchets up the pressure on the Palestinians and waits for the inevitable Hezbollah response. With that pretext fulfilled Israel then implements its up-to-date plan to send Lebanon back to the stone age and then waits for the rest of the World to pick up the pieces.

I predict Israel will now state that for the sake of Israel's security it will annex all of Southern Lebanon south of the Litani River. It will welcome NATO troops in the rest of the country who will be forced to tackle Hezbollah. Then Israel will once again bide its time and eventually try to 'settle" it's conquered territory (through right of might dont ya' know) just like it did in Gaza and the West Bank.

Remember, this plan is Ariel Sharon's baby. He was convicted of allowing the massacre of Lebanese civilians and was known as the "Butcher of Beirut". This plan is merely the end game Israel invisioned back in 1982.

Outsourcing the Occupation to fresh friendly peacekeeping forces, eh? How ingenious.

Where have I heard this story before?

Originally posted by subz
I predict Israel will now state that for the sake of Israel's security it will annex all of Southern Lebanon south of the Litani River.

Low and behold, Israel wants a "security zone" in Southern Lebanon

JERUSALEM - Israel will carve out a "security zone" in south Lebanon until an international force is deployed there or Hezbollah and its rocket launchers are pushed back from the Israeli border, Israel's defense minister said Tuesday.

Israel Intends To Carve Out "Security Zone"

Telling another nation's people where they can and cannot go in their own country. That's a pretty neat power Israel has.

1. This needs to be quoted again

In the years since Israel ended its military occupation of southern Lebanon, it watched warily as Hezbollah built up its military presence in the region.

Does anyone think Hezbollah was building up to hold parades or something? If you had to stand around and watch that, of course you'll make plans. Common sense.

2.

Entering the country under false pretenses telling the world it was to search for the soldiers

Ok, maybe I missed it, but when Hezbollah attacked I remember Israel immediately calling it an act of war. I know they went into Gaza looking for their soldiers there. But after Hezbollah raided Israel, Israel pursued them trying to get their soldiers back but after that first day they declared war on Hezbollah. Their goal since the begining of their northern campaign has been to get rid of Hezbollah (or at least push them back). I can't ever recall them ever saying the only goal was to get the soldiers back.

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the probelm is israel probably have loads of plans of this and that. bit like the pentagon they have plans on everything.

How is that a problem?
We have plans for everything because of the Cold War. They have plans for everything because they're completely surrounded by nations who want them wiped off the map.

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Third, Israel formulated an up-to-date plan to send Lebanon back to "the stone age". The plan, as outlined in this thread, was to turn Lebanon into a complete humanitarian nightmare which the international community would be unable to ignore.

Where is this anywhere? You said that's in this thread, but I don't see that anywhere on this site (or anywhere for that matter)...


[edit on 25-7-2006 by ThatsJustWeird]

Is a reason why propaganda has made about the middle east to gain support for Israel position against the entire region . . . everywhere I go people here in America seems to fall into the propaganda.

Now we see how things are shaping in the region, it seems that in this day and time nothing seems to be secret anymore. . . or just that some of us are just becoming aware of how the political power is played.

Sometimes I wonder what it will be for people to just step in the other side shoes and see the problem through their eyes.

But occurs we can never even dream of that because that is just unspeakable off, US doesn't support terrorism unless is planned and executed by us and allies.

US will never have talks with countries that has been tagged terrorist nations because that would be giving them to much credit.

Yes things are moving rather and miraculously smooth in the middle east at least for Israel. . . because US is still having a hard time to control its future energy investment and oil interest in Iraq.

But like the news said at a rate of 100 people dying a day . . . we just has to wait until the entire Iraqi nation runs of its citizens and then the land will belong to nobody. . . Right?

Is not the people what is important . . . is what it holds under their sands. . .

Sometimes I wonder who is the true terrorist in the middle east . . .

But occurs that is unspeakable off . . .so never mind.

ThatsJustWeird
What do you expect they know that Israel is their enemy so what they should have done, welcome them with a big give away of land party?

Originally posted by marg6043
ThatsJustWeird
What do you expect they know that Israel is their enemy so what they should have done, welcome them with a big give away of land party?

What?
Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They have no land.

They should have disarmed like the UN ordered.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They have no land.

They should have disarmed like the UN ordered.

yes you are right they are Targeted a terrorist group

But they are the same people that are born and live in the area they are part of the middle east people.

They have nations and nationalities.

They are against Israel and they are enemies.

Read somewhere that Hezbollah's shot 1,000 rockets so far. Yep, I'd say they had a buildup going on.

If the Israeli's have been watching this, why aren't they targeting those specific sites and leave the civilians alone? My best guess is that because Hez. is a very public part of political life, they are the civilians themselves.

Marg, picture the ME like the Caribbean. You know how you go to one island and meet people from all over the others? We had Jamaican's working in Gtmo, gals from the Virgin Islands, Antigua, in St. Martin and Puerto Rico, Haitians in the Bahamas, etc. They go where the jobs are but they are all West Indian. That's how it is for the Palestinian people too. Many are in Jordan, Syria, all over, but they are Israeli (2nd class) citizens because that is where their ancestoral homes are.

Practically every Puerto Rican I met had either been to the states, had a relative living there (NY, NJ and Miami mostly), or was planning a trip. They had the best advantage--being US citizens, of course you know.

[edit on 26-7-2006 by psyopswatcher]

Originally posted by psyopswatcher
That's how it is for the Palestinian people too. Many are in Jordan, Syria, all over, but they are Israeli (2nd class) citizens because that is where their ancestoral homes are.

Yes I have research on the background of the people that made the Terrorist tagged nations in the middle east . . .

Sad that many doesn't understand that the hate of Israel and the US is not something that was just over night.

It took decades and deeds done to the region to bring the disastrous situation the middle east is finding itself now. . .

Too bad that many has chosen terrorism and wars to make a point . . . but perhaps is also out of desperation because nobody wants to listen to them . . .

Originally posted by marg6043

Too bad that many has chosen terrorism and wars to make a point . . . but perhaps is also out of desperation because nobody wants to listen to them . . .

Out of desperation born of generations in refugee camps, ghettos. Some say that's their own fault for staying there but as we see many did leave, many came to the US too. France is full of immigrants, Germany too with Turks included. Britian has muslims from India, Pakistan, you name it. Spain has the Gitanos, gypsy's from Morocco. And most just want to get on with their lives, but they still have family in the region being effected by all this. And we all know how close family ties are.

I'd have to say that the landowners are/were the most pissed off, and those would probably be the sheiks who align themselves with the Arab nations to the east. Allowing their people to grow in hate of the west that did this to them. Teaching their hate gospels in the Wahabbi schools and madrasses. Sad sad affairs.

I don't blame the displaced, miserable Palestinians for what they have endured. But the opportunities missed for them to build better lives is a burden shared by generations turning a blind eye.

And believe it or not, I do admire what Israel has done in that land. They may or may not be the Chosen, but they are industrious and know how to use the land wisely. Much to be commended for.

Did you know that an ultra-orthodox Jew does not want the state of Israel? In the bible, Torah, it says that G_D will bring about the nation of Israel. And not man. But the secular Jews who were persecuted by the Holocaust wanted/needed a homeland to return to in peace too. Well, they got half of what they wished for?

So I'd like to see some fundies argue with that, the ones who would like to see Armageddon begin.

Originally posted by subz
...Lebanon's water is high on Israel's wish list...

I posted a thread on something very similar regarding the importance of the Litani river to Israel's future...you may want to have a read of these links regarding hydrology and politics:

www.unu.edu...
web.macam.ac.il...

Originally posted by andy1033
the probelm is israel probably have loads of plans of this and that. bit like the pentagon they have plans on everything.

though i do admit the war did start quickly, these plans are probably always there in what ever military group does them.

Any country with any kind of military will make strategic contingency plans for all sorts of situations. If certain things happen, there will be steps to be executed by military/government to respond.

For example, is it unreasonable to think that the Pentagon has contigency plans if North Korea launches a nuke at the US west coast? Or if Iran does something stupid like invade Iraq?

Of course not.

Why, then, is this any different?

Some people boggle my mind.