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Originally posted by nowthenlookhere
Both the mother and the father have parental rights, and that I believe should include the right to protect their unborn child........
By the same token, when a woman has sex, she should accept the possibility that she may have to support that child for at least the first 9 months, baring any medical reasons as to why child-bearing could be particularly dangerous of course, and one would have to allow for certain special cases like this.
Originally posted by nowthenlookhere
If both parents want an abortion, then I believe it is their right to do so, but if at least one parent wants to raise the child, they should have that right. Once the baby is born, either parent can do an equally good job of raising the child, with or without the other party.
Originally posted by nowthenlookhere
The current laws are based on outdated assumption that men are somehow less capable of looking after children than women..... which is as ridiculous as saying women haven't got what it takes to succeed in the boardroom or in politics.
Originally posted by JackofBlades
nowthen has summarised my views perfectly. After conception and if both parents agree, the foestus should be aborted. However, if there is a dispute and the father wants the child to live (and pregnancy won't harm the mother) the pregnancy should be carried out.
If there was no abortion procedure the woman would carry the baby anyway.
Originally posted by riley
You are proposing women be treated like cattle. It's sick.
If there was no abortion procedure the woman would carry the baby anyway.
Originally posted by JackofBlades
I think YOU are the one who is taking it to far.No one here really believes that something as sick as that should be done.
But what about the fathers who are FORCED to pay for a child they may not have wanted.
If a woman gets pregnant and the man doesn't want the child he leaves. However, the mother can still claim money off him.
The father is ordered (with no possible chance of winning a plea) to pay for a child he never wanted.
If he took it to court a judge would tell him he should have used a condom.
If there was no abortion procedure the woman would carry the baby anyway.
original quote by: JackofBlades
But what about the fathers who are FORCED to pay for a child they may not have wanted. If a woman gets pregnant and the man doesn't want the child he leaves. However, the mother can still claim money off him.
Originally posted by riley
It's genetically half his
Originally posted by JackofBlades
Originally posted by riley
It's genetically half his
Your words not mine. If this is the case why then shouldn't he have a say on its birth or abortion.
And I can't believe you are talking about slavery. Whats that about? Haven't you ever heard of reasoning?
Or, in a more extreme case, financial compensation? Can't a mother change her mind after seeing how badly the father wants his child to be born. We don't need to dispute using absolutes.
Originally posted by JackofBlades
If this is the case why then shouldn't he have a say on its birth or abortion.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by JackofBlades
If this is the case why then shouldn't he have a say on its birth or abortion.
Until he shares the pregnancy or birth or the abortion, my answer is no. He had a say already. He blew it.
What kind of a 'say' are you proposing? Lay it out for me here. What power do you think the man should have? Are you saying that he should be able to legally force her to carry and bear the child AND to give it up?
AM I ON IGNORE???
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What kind of a 'say' are you proposing? Lay it out for me here. What power do you think the man should have? Are you saying that he should be able to legally force her to carry and bear the child AND to give it up?
AM I ON IGNORE???
Originally posted by JackofBlades
When I said that before I was comparing it to restraining a murderer to prevent him committing a crime. I would never condone, perform or otherwise agree with any kind of slavery or coercion. I am offended that you would even say that.
Originally posted by nowthenlookhere
You seem to be proposing women have ALL the rights, and men have to go along with the whim of the woman. Please explain how this is fair?
Originally posted by JackofBlades
Surely if he pleaded with the woman and made her understand how much he wanted to actually have the child she would at least consider it.
If I were a woman and was pregnant though I didn't want a child, I would ask the father what he thought about doing with it. If he wanted it and convinced me he would make sure it had a good life I would keep it.
As for using protection beforehand, many people don't even consider having children.
Originally posted by JackofBlades
And why do you say only men should consider their actions?
I personally had a relationship in which my girlfriend and me were suddenly in bed and I was fumbling with a condom wrapper and she said forget it....