Will terrorism be the end?

So mehran when the Isreali tanks roll down your street were are you going to hide.

The US itself would have a very difficult time invading Iran.

Israel doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of pulling it off.

I don't think Mehran has to worry about Merkava's rolling into Tehran anytime soon...

no i didnt say you ARE a terrorists, just that you sound pretty proud that iran has nuclear technology.
alot of countries have nuclear technology, it is mainly ( i think ) to call someones bluff and make another country back down by threatening to use it.

its great to be proud of who you are, but not to be proud of what kind of destruction they would do to another country.

im out
-mindtrip02

Originally posted by steve99

You can say the same for any world power, and lets not leave England out.
I always love it when people in England and France try to bash America, you would be speaking German if we didn't bial your sorry asses out twice.

[edit on 21-7-2006 by steve99]

My family moved to England back in the 70's. I was born here. My family doesn't have a hisory in europe before the 1970's so no i wouldn't be speaking German and no you didn't "bail" my sorry ass out.

And by the way you speak as if you single handedly won ww2. America's contribution to WW2 was considerably smaller then most countries especially the war workhorses of WW2 Britain and soviet/Russia who caused Germany the most damage.

Please stop trying to take credit for winng ww2

Originally posted by iqonx

Originally posted by steve99

You can say the same for any world power, and lets not leave England out.
I always love it when people in England and France try to bash America, you would be speaking German if we didn't bial your sorry asses out twice.

[edit on 21-7-2006 by steve99]

My family moved to England back in the 70's. I was born here. My family doesn't have a hisory in europe before the 1970's so no i wouldn't be speaking German and no you didn't "bail" my sorry ass out.

And by the way you speak as if you single handedly won ww2. America's contribution to WW2 was considerably smaller then most countries especially the war workhorses of WW2 Britain and soviet/Russia who caused Germany the most damage.

Please stop trying to take credit for winng ww2

You better read some history on WW2 pal. Who do you think supplied the allies with most of their weapons. When did britian cause the most damage? The next time you make a statement like you did you better read up a little.
If it wasn't for the US you would have been in trouble.
en.wikipedia.org...
[edit on 21-7-2006 by steve99]

[edit on 21-7-2006 by steve99]

Originally posted by Mehran

Originally posted by mindtrip02
um, this forum isnt about natural resources. its about terrorism. and it sounds like you are really gung ho about iran. were you born there? do you currently live there? if not, then i think you are just hearing what you want to hear, and being supportive of iran because of your heritage. ( if its not your heritage , then sorry), but thats what it sounds like to me.

im out
-mindtrip02

I AM 100% iranian.

pedarsag modar jende booro...keer beh kosat nanet koskesh!.

Don't have the balls to print out in english what you wrote in arabic. Oh I forgot you are from the middle east you only do things and then run behind a woman.

Originally posted by steve99
It looks to me as if the middle east got very rich from the west JUST TAKING YOUR RESOURCES. Maybe you should look at the middle east rulers for the ones stealing your resourses.

middle east is made up of 2 major entites 1 Persian/Iranian and 2 Arab.

the Arabs are very corrupt and steal alot of money from there people and take massive amounts of money from oil which belongs to the nation.

While in Iran the leaders give more money to the people and use no money for themselves becuase they are not a monarchy but are a democracy and all spending is

This is evident from Irans political system where spending is scrutinized by departments or peoples in the government.

You can tell the difference just by looking at peoples life styles. In arab countries the governments live in massive palaces built with the nations oils wealth while in Iran all the people in the government have to live on wages and in there own homes which they buy with there own money and not from oil wealth of the state.

Irans spends nearly 100% of it's money on the nations becuase individuals cannnot steal or spend money on private things such as cars, boats, houses etc.. for there own pesonal needs becuase it's illegle.

So the Iranians do not steal the resources of Iran so you are incorrect. But the Arab leaders do steal money from there people.

Originally posted by steve99
pedarsag modar jende booro...keer beh kosat nanet koskesh!. He's probally calling you an infidal dog.

Mehran is not even a muslim from what i understand. So why would he go around calling people infidel dogs?

Originally posted by steve99

As long as these countries are run by fanatic dogs there will always be terrorism.

Are yuo being serious?

Do you even know where terrorism comes from?

It comes from forign entites intefearing and manipualting the geo-politics of other regions.

Think about it white christians in northen ireland used terrorism against the british by your logic this should have never happened becuase they where not middle eastern or religous?

Originally posted by steve99
So mehran when the Isreali tanks roll down your street were are you going to hide.

Israeli tanks can never role down Iran ever.

First of all the distance between Iran and Israel is close to 2000+KM. Israel does not have the logistics capability to move it stuff that far. Then you have logistics such as spare parts, fuel etc.. at long ranges of 2000+km which Israel has no experiance of on that scale. Then Israel would have to move it's stuff through multiple countries which most of equipment would be destoryed. And after all that Israel would then have to magically move it's equipmnet over massive mountian regions.

And if they do manage to magically get those tanks through the Iranians would turn those Israeli tanks into scrap metal with there vast array of powerfull anti-tank missiles such as the mighty Toophan-2 and Iranian made Konkurs with 800mm armour penatration behind ERA with it's tandem warhead.

In fact i would personally love to see Israel try that crap with the Iranians becuase Iran does not have poor fighters who are helpless like palestinians but Iran has a proud and powefull army with good quality anti-tank armour and good missiles and Israels tanks will be turned into scrap metal if it's tries something stupid.

Originally posted by steve99Remermber live by the sword die by the sword.

You should think about those words carefully becuase your soldiers are in range of close to 2500 + ballistic missiles and thousands of ballistic rockets. Think about your words while your soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran's sword the Sahaab 3D could strike you guys if you try to strike Iran.

Originally posted by steve99


Don't have the balls to print out in english what you wrote in arabic. Oh I forgot you are from the middle east you only do things and then run behind a woman.

Iranians don't speak Arabic they Speak Farsi.

Although Iranians learn classical arabic for religous reasons if they are muslims although Mehran from what i understand will not know classical arabic becuase he is not a muslim.

Originally posted by steve99

You better read some history on WW2 pal. Who do you think supplied the allies with most of their weapons. When did britian cause the most damage? The next time you make a statement like you did you better read up a little.
If it wasn't for the US you would have been in trouble.
en.wikipedia.org...
[edit on 21-7-2006 by steve99]

[edit on 21-7-2006 by steve99]

I think you should read up about world war 2 yourself. America did not suplly most of the weapons as that would mean they supplied over 51% please don't fool yourself.

You are the one fooling yourself. Read up on it.

You mean government-sponsered terrorism? Who knows when that will end. There's countless stories of government agents posing as terrorists to execute whatever plan they have in mind. American agents, British agents, it doesn't matter. There's no such thing as an Islamic extremist terrorist you see on T.V. It is complete BS and is only used to portray the "bad guy" to the mindless Sheeple who think America is the "good guy." Fear is rampant in the media and is used everyday to get people to think the other way to agree with the government. Nothing is going to get better here until the Federal Reserve is abolished. It is the most corrupt organization and is one of the main hives of evil in the entire world. Almost ten trillion dollars in debt and the Federal Reserve wants you to believe its American couples charging too much on credit cards...it makes me sick. These people can make money out of nothing and it's absolutely horrifying to think that whoever controls the bank controls the world. The Federal Reserve will drive America into a Mega Depression, one that makes the Great Depression look like nothing, and it will cause the once proud American people to change into complete mindless fools driven out by their own governmental system.

Originally posted by iqonx

Originally posted by steve99

You can say the same for any world power, and lets not leave England out.
I always love it when people in England and France try to bash America, you would be speaking German if we didn't bial your sorry asses out twice.

[edit on 21-7-2006 by steve99]

My family moved to England back in the 70's. I was born here. My family doesn't have a hisory in europe before the 1970's so no i wouldn't be speaking German and no you didn't "bail" my sorry ass out.

And by the way you speak as if you single handedly won ww2. America's contribution to WW2 was considerably smaller then most countries especially the war workhorses of WW2 Britain and soviet/Russia who caused Germany the most damage.

Please stop trying to take credit for winng ww2

It wasn't our war. Fascists and socialists drug us in. We were the weight hitler couldn't bear. Most Americans remembered the first world war Europe inflicted upon us and the rest of the rest of the world. Hitler knew he couldn't take the US. Due respect to the English, French, Dutch and other warriors that held him off but if not for the US joining, stalemate at best.

As far as the Socialists, never should have "bargained" for Poland. Socialists wanted an empire too and unfortunately we gave it to them later. Soviets deservered what they got. Remember it was the U.S. that tried to stay out of it. Hitler and Japan were idiots for bringing the US in, otherwise, probably would have won atleast a stalemate.

Originally posted by steve99
You are the one fooling yourself. Read up on it.

I suggest you take a look at the Soviet contribution to WW2. I think you'll find that they lost more people than the US and the UK combined.

As for "bailing our sorry asses out" I think you'll find that, post battle of Britain and BEFORE the US entered the war in Europe, Hitler had decided not to try and invade the UK, as he had no navy capable of fending off the British in the Channel and could not stage an invasion.

As it happens Hitler hoped to make peace with the UK at one stage, because of the Anglo-Saxon heritage in England.

Still - Steve - you should never let a bit of rhetoric get in the way of recorded facts, should you?

You should think about those words carefully becuase your soldiers are in range of close to 2500 + ballistic missiles and thousands of ballistic rockets. Think about your words while your soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran's sword the Sahaab 3D could strike you guys if you try to strike Iran.

Do it. As we say here, let's throw down. Do it! Or are you all cowards hiding behind the UN? Back it up. If you think we or Isreal is coming, do something smart for once and hit us first but not these girlie attacks on civilians. Hit our military. Like you said, kind of, you'd win. Stop being women and settle it. Disregard the UN and our own weak media and do it.

Originally posted by notbuynit
It wasn't our war. Fascists and socialists drug us in. We were the weight hitler couldn't bear.

This is ridiculous. Not that it wasn't our war; of course that's true and we didn't enter it until attacked. But that we were "the weight Hitler couldn't bear" -- absurd.

The U.S. and Royal Armies invaded Normandy in June 1944. Prior to that, American forces had engaged the Germans only in peripheral actions, in North Africa and Italy. The Wehrmacht was broken, its best divisions killed or captured, by the Red Army at the battle of Stalingrad in 1942 -- two years earlier. The Germans were in retreat from that point on. Although the Normany invasion almost certainly shortened the war, it did not change the outcome, which was already inevitable.

You want to talk Pacific theater, that's a different story; the U.S. was the primary opponent that defeated Japan. But NOT Nazi Germany. That honor goes to the Soviet Union, with a merit badge for sheer stubborn courage to Great Britain as well.

Ignorance on this subject, and of history in general and its implications, is not an exclusively American failing. However, Americans seem, more than those of other nationalities, to be prone to opening their mouths before rectifying it and so embarrassing their fellow-citizens, e.g. myself, who are aware of how many mistakes are being made. Similar ignorance is being displayed on this thread about the history of the Middle East, and of Iran in particular.

I suggest that certain posters, before they open up with any more "bring it on" silliness, check out these links:

On Mossadegh

This details how the Eisenhower administration, together with (and partly at the instigation of) Great Britain, engineered the overthrow of Iran's democracy and the imposition of a full monarchy with dictatorial powers.

Iran-Iraq War

Key paragraph:

The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes, demands for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime, and secret encouragement by the US administration (Jimmy Carter, conveyed through Saudi Arabia) which was embroiled in a dispute with the new regime in Iran.

At that time Saddam was our bad boy, and we supplied a lot of the hardware his military forces used to slaughter Iranians.

Now -- if a foreign power had overthrown our democratically elected government and replaced it with a puppet dictatorship that routinely used torture and murder to assert control, and encouraged and aided a hated enemy to invade our country and massacre our people, do you think we'd feel friendly towards them? How long do you suppose would have to pass before we would approach them with anything like trust, especially when they showed no signs of having changed their ways?

Iran, of course, had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attack on the U.S. Al-Qaeda, being a rabidly Sunni Muslim group, doesn't even like Iran much, as it is strongly Shiite Muslim. And Iran, for obvious reasons, isn't very fond of Iraq or of Saddam Hussein, either. But, however glad the Iranians may be to see Saddam gone, can you blame them for not being altogether grateful -- especially when Bush is now making threatening noises in their direction?

The whole situation, the whole history of U.S. involvement in the Middle East, is complex, and needs to be studied in order to understand why the region views us with so much hostility.

That is, it needs to be studied by anyone who actually wants to SOLVE the problem of terrorism -- as opposed to just shouting and swearing a lot because it makes them feel better.