States to begin door to door health checks

Washington state health officials will soon start asking detailed questions about the health of some state residents — and even give them brief physical exams.

The door-to-door survey of 1,100 randomly selected households across the state will try to learn more about our health, and especially about our risk for cardiovascular disease and diabetes, to better target preventive educational programs.

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

Ok maybe there isn't anything to this and it is in the best interest of the people to expedite cures and medicines. But to me this reeks conspiracy.
Can we say selective population?
I mean what better why to determine who stays and who goes by getting complete health assesments voluntarily from people by going door to door.
Would people actually answers these questions to someone standing in their doorway? I wouldn't!


Here's more:

In this latest survey, selected participants will be asked about their access to health care and whether they have dental problems, osteoporosis, emphysema or cancer. Other questions will center on diet, medications and other risks for disease such as tobacco and alcohol use.

A nurse on each survey team will measure blood pressure, pulse, height, weight and waist size.

A blood sample will be taken to measure cholesterol and blood sugar.

A hair sample, to measure mercury levels, will be taken from women of childbearing age and participants 60 and older.

"We'll ask about fish consumption to see if certain types cause higher levels of mercury," said VanEenwyk.

Surveyors will wear yellow vests and carry photo identification.

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

- again I find this to be very personal. We have enough problems with our identities being corrupted and stolen now our blood is going to be taken at our doorstep.

The article also goes on to state that people will not be able to volunteer but rather will be selected for population diversity. Kansas and Arkansas are also being awarded grants for this.

Maybe this doesn't belong in this forum and should elsewhere to which I apologize. I just think this is suspicious in nature and a good way for our gov to begin determing who is healthy enough to continue on so to speak and how we can reduce our population based on certain "criteria"

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

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Typical Orwellian.

They better not knock on my door.....

They're just trying to recruit people for camp.

I'd love to see them try that in NYC. They knock on your door and ask if they can examine you and then they get the snot beat out of them.

There was, actually, a story in the papers not too long ago that centered around a man arrested for posing as a doctor. Seems he was going door to door and offering free breast cancer exams. There was a frightening number of women who let him grope and poke and prod.

Looks like a good plan to get information about public health and make better policies.

Where is the invasion of privacy? Its not required to participate.

crakeur
I'd love to see them try that in NYC. They knock on your door and ask if they can examine you and then they get the snot beat out of them.

OR, the people at the house say, "heck yea, I'll take some free medical service". ANd then with the information from that the state is better able to place free health service buildings in those areas that need it most, and equip them to handle the diseases and health issues most urgent in those areas.

[edit on 20-7-2006 by Nygdan]

Originally posted by Crakeur

There was, actually, a story in the papers not too long ago that centered around a man arrested for posing as a doctor. Seems he was going door to door and offering free breast cancer exams. There was a frightening number of women who let him grope and poke and prod.

I vaguely remember that story..Do you remember where it happened?

Seems like a perfect opportunity for some sleaze to take advantage again.

Originally posted by spacedoubt

I vaguely remember that story..Do you remember where it happened?

of course I do but my attorney says I really shouldn't talk about it.


Nygdan, I agree that it there is a benefit to doing a medical census on the population but going door to door and requesting that you subject yourself to a medical exam is a bit much. I don't know about you but if some gov't pencil pusher came to my door and wanted to hold me marbles whilst I turned and coughed, I'm saying no unless it's a she and she's really really pretty and my wife is not home.

I don't know, this could have potential but it still seems very suspicious in nature to me. A very unorthodox way of determining certain health factors.

Lots of potential however to segregate certain populas and big bucks for Big Pharma.
I can't think of the name of the movie now but it had Tia Leone in it about an asteroid coming in and was going to kill everyone off. Those that had a chance to escape were put on a list. Those at the top of that list of course were the VIP's and then their families and from that point on lists were determined by age. Anyone over 50 were not going to be on that list for potential survival.

This is what this reminds me of in a way. Let's weed out the sick or those with the potential of becoming sickly soon depending on our samples and keep the healthy ones to repopulate the world after whatever...

as long as it's voluntary, and I can tell them to get lost, what the heck.....seems to be a better way to blow all that money we really don't have than what they usually think up.

but, they wouldn't get a good response from me, especially if their first question was about health coverage, and then their second was them asking if they can examine me......I think I'd blow up on them...

just don't make it mandatory, I don't care if we're hit will every kind of biological weapon known to man....I"ll be examined by my own doctor....if I can afford his fees!

Originally posted by dawnstar
as long as it's voluntary,

It's not. This is a really creppy little quote in the above referenced article...

"Officials are not seeking volunteers; participants are being chosen to represent the diverse population of the state."

So... this is NOT voluntary. The state is going to go into these people's homes and collect medical information without their consent? Is that what I'm reading? What if someone doesn't want to participate?

In the city I'm at, lots of people would participate simply because they don't have decent health coverage to begin with... they'd take advantage of it.. if 'advantage' is truly the most correct word..

I wonder tho.. how many people will actually open/answer their door? If they came around here, I just simply wouldn't go near the door, peephole or not. ...this lab rat has a choice!
Would they bust down my door and demand my dna? (and here I picture the final blow-out scenes of Scarface...)
Why can't they do a 'random' survey from the information gathered from the prof. doctors? Don't have to have names.. just numbers, figures.. or would that be an infringement of privacy? ...how is this any different?

Quite curious to say the least. However, I'm more curious about the reaction the individual people will have, how far this survey actually makes it... *that* will tell more than their intentions to do such a medical survey..

Originally posted by Nygdan
Looks like a good plan to get information about public health and make better policies.

Where is the invasion of privacy? Its not required to participate.

YOU are funny. Remember that when it happens to you at 3am and someone wants to probe some part of your body.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Remember that when it happens to you at 3am and someone wants to probe some part of your body.

Usually I'd prefer to be the prober, but if you have something else in mind....

twitchy
"officals are not seeking volunteers; participants are being chosen to represent the diverse population of the state."

This means that they don't want peopel coming to them for free medical attention, rather that they are going to select people and ask if they want to participate.

Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by dawnstar
as long as it's voluntary,

It's not. This is a really creppy little quote in the above referenced article...

"Officials are not seeking volunteers; participants are being chosen to represent the diverse population of the state."

It costs somewhere around the tune of a $100,000/yr to imprison someone, and well, that's what they'd have to do to get me to cooperate, then it would probably take them a year of me playing games with them before their stupid questionair would be finished!!

What I find even creepier is that instead of signing a petition or buying some cookies from your local girl scouts these people are actually coming to your home and walking away with your hair and blood samples. Not your every day door to door salesman.

The whole thing just wigs me out. Regardless of the intent it's just creepy as was stated before.

Originally posted by twitchy
["Officials are not seeking volunteers; participants are being chosen to represent the diverse population of the state."

A choosing that can not be enforced.

Well, until they slip a law into a bill and avoided publicizing it ........ nah, this government would never do that !!!

NN

Originally posted by Nygdan

twitchy
"officals are not seeking volunteers; participants are being chosen to represent the diverse population of the state."

This means that they don't want peopel coming to them for free medical attention, rather that they are going to select people and ask if they want to participate.

But, isn't that still people volunteering? ..if they choose to participate, then they've volunteered, no?
Or is it not volunteering because their names were picked from a hat... before they agreed?

Truly, a game of semantics, but methinks the lines hafta be drawn...

[edit on 20-7-2006 by Diseria]

fish and mercury

these people crack me up. as if denial could explain away the elephant in the living room (ethylmercury in vaccines). as if the effects would go away by blaming it all on fish.

as if they could get back the tens of millions of soldiers they so desperately needed for their beloved WW3 who are now brain damaged (autism or milder variety) and will amount to nothing on the battlefield if you actually sent them there. what is it? Empire or Profit, choose one, but i guess the greedy will fill in every choice in the request form, rendering an invalid result

it's a shame i find this amusing, reeks of vengeful and bad charakter, but at least i'm honest

A hair sample, to measure mercury levels, will be taken from women of childbearing age and participants 60 and older.

"We'll ask about fish consumption to see if certain types cause higher levels of mercury," said VanEenwyk.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by spacedoubt

I vaguely remember that story..Do you remember where it happened?

of course I do but my attorney says I really shouldn't talk about it.

Awwwww, please do tell.

From the original source:

Participants will be given a $45 gift card for their help in the survey. Officials are not seeking volunteers; participants are being chosen to represent the diverse population of the state.

Ah, incentive to participate? My question is woud I get the results of the tests they perform on me? will someone else have access to the information from these tests? Can they affect things like you ability to get life insureance, etc, etc. ?