23 tons dropped on one target!

Israel is reported to have dropped 23 tons of explosives onto one target, a bunker believed to be hiding senior representatives of Hizbollah.

JERUSALEM — Israeli warplanes dropped bombs late Wednesday on a bunker in south Beirut where senior Hezbollah leaders were thought to be, the military said.

Military officials said a wave of aircraft dropped 23 tons of explosives on the bunker. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters, said top Hezbollah figures were thought to be there, possibly including Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. The officials said the bunker was in the Bourj al-Barajneh section of southern Beirut.

Source: Israeli jets hit bunker with 23 tons of explosives

Thats a hell of a lot of ordanance for one bunker is'nt it? Was that really neccessary for one bunker?

Probably the messiest day so far, anyone taking bets on how much longer the UN will keep asking nicely for Israel to show restraint? I can't see it happening soon.

CX.





[edit on 19/7/06 by CX]

Hum I guess Israel have to do something with all the surplus of weapons they have thanks to the US . . . they most use it. . . to bad the intended target was Iran but I guess Lebanon will do just as well.

Will they help pay for the destruction of that country? or that will fall in the US tax payer. I wonder.

Originally posted by marg6043

Will they help pay for the destruction of that country? or that will fall in the US tax payer. I wonder.

Israelis get forced reparations from Iran when Palestinians use weapons made by Iran as well as Holocaust reparations. Lebanon will get nothing but a big Fat Zero. That government only takes. That government does not give. When they do give, it is nothing but what you see now.

Originally posted by CX
Israel is reported to have dropped 23 tons of explosives onto one target, a bunker believed to be hiding senior representatives of Hizbollah.

Thats a hell of a lot of ordanance for one bunker is'nt it? Was that really neccessary for one bunker?

According to a Hezbollah spokesman, it wasn't a bunker, but a mosque under construction.

The 23 tons was used because the "mosque" reached 100 feet under ground. They wanted to make sure they pounded it into rubble.

I didn't realize that mosques were built so far underground. You learn something new every day.

Yes so was the mosque holding a bunker underneath it, now that is a real question, I mean who has bunkers out in the open, its like holding up a sign in a Pididdy concert saying "Hey Iam in the KKK". I mean really this bunker had to be under this mosque, Israel I guess killed two birds with one 23 ton stone.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
That government does not give. When they do give, it is nothing but what you see now.

Do you know that the government of Lebanon is backed by the US . . . Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon . . . But it seems that Israel just decided to forget about that because even lebanese civilians are dying from the attacks.

But what can I say Iraqis were to be liberated by US and they are dying too.

I guess this the way of one way wars, my way or the highway.

Originally posted by ragster Israel I guess killed two birds with one 23 ton stone.

I disagree with christianity, so lets say the KKK had a torture room under a church, and i blew up the church, i would of killed 2 birds with one stone correct?

Originally posted by bombers8
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The 23 tons was used because the "mosque" reached 100 feet under ground. They wanted to make sure they pounded it into rubble.

I didn't realize that mosques were built so far underground. You learn something new every day.

Maybe they have to build Mosques and Churches that way now because they have such Hostile neighbors. Good excuse. I'll wait to see the pictures of all the dead "militants" pretty soon. Nice try at the spin. I think I'll wait for proof of this to come from more reliable sources.

Originally posted by marg6043
Hum I guess Israel have to do something with all the surplus of weapons they have thanks to the US . . . they most use it. . . to bad the intended target was Iran but I guess Lebanon will do just as well.

Will they help pay for the destruction of that country? or that will fall in the US tax payer. I wonder.

Oh yeah, ...like ....Isreal has this really big bubblegum machine. They put in some quarters and get tanks in little plastic containers, and other cool stuff. Nukes require Kennedy 50 cent peices........

Just in case you were wondering where the funding for these bombs was coming from.

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget

On this basis the $84.8 billion in grants, loans and commodities Israel has received from the U.S. since 1949 cost the U.S. an additional $49,936,880,000 in interest.

Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan.

source

I still find it amazing how they know where all these secret tunnels, bases,headquarters, training camps and underground bunkers are but yet they still don't know where those 2 soldiers are. They are also finding well over 300 civilians quite well too. Totally missing Hizbollah and the kidnapped soldiers.
Pffft



Pie

Originally posted by dbates
Just in case you were wondering where the funding for these bombs was coming from.

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget

On this basis the $84.8 billion in grants, loans and commodities Israel has received from the U.S. since 1949 cost the U.S. an additional $49,936,880,000 in interest.

Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan.

source

Thats beautiful.
Now tell me whats its worth to have fighter jets, tanks, bombs, missiles, and pretty much cream of the crop technology sitting in the barracks and airbase to rot?
Thats not ecnomical, if you have invested so much into a military. You have to use it.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Nice try at the spin. I think I'll wait for proof of this to come from more reliable sources.

Spin? What spin? The fact that Hezbollah said it was a mosque, or the fact that it was so far underground?

Originally posted by bombers8

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Nice try at the spin. I think I'll wait for proof of this to come from more reliable sources.

Spin?

What spin? The fact that Hezbollah said it was a mosque, or the fact that it was so far underground?

In times of trouble, churches and schools are usually the places to go to take shelter. Your country holds Nuclear weapons, so why should it be a surprise to you if they decide to put a bomb shelter which may be several stories deep under a mosque or a church? Do you place your bomb shelters above ground in Israel or do you place them underground?

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Do you place your bomb shelters above ground in Israel or do you place them underground?

Israel puts their bomb shelters in open air cafe's so they can justify more killing when their people are blown to smithereens sipping capuccino.

Total sarcasm there, if you don't know what it is folks, please look it up.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
In times of trouble, churches and schools are usually the places to go to take shelter. Your country holds Nuclear weapons, so why should it be a surprise to you if they decide to put a bomb shelter which may be several stories deep under a mosque or a church? Do you place your bomb shelters above ground in Israel or do you place them underground?

For civilians...

Generally, Israel's military forms up on military bases, military installations, and military outposts... You know, in accordance with international law and conventions... :shk:

Let me know when a Hezbollah crater... Errr... Base is established.

Originally posted by Mirthful Me

For civilians...

Generally, Israel's military forms up on military bases, military installations, and military outposts... You know, in accordance with international law and conventions... :shk:

Let me know when a Hezbollah crater... Errr... Base is established.

MM
Yes I understand this but he is saying why should a mosque need to have underground areas. Where else would you put a bomb shelter if its not underground. That is just assuming that its some kind of military installation when maybe it may just be a mosque with a bomb shelter.


Pie

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

MM
Yes I understand this but he is saying why should a mosque need to have underground areas. Where else would you put a bomb shelter if its not underground. That is just assuming that its some kind of military installation when maybe it may just be a mosque with a bomb shelter.

But you can't do that...

Art. 53. Protection of cultural objects and of places of worship

Without prejudice to the provisions of the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict of 14 May 1954, and of other relevant international instruments, it is prohibited: (a) to commit any acts of hostility directed against the historic monuments, works of art or places of worship which constitute the cultural or spiritual heritage of peoples; (b) to use such objects in support of the military effort; (c) to make such objects the object of reprisals.


www.genevaconventions.org...

And before anyone goes lawyer on me, it was a Mosque under construction... Why would a Mosque need a 100 foot underground bunker again?

Originally posted by Mirthful Me

And before anyone goes lawyer on me, it was a Mosque under construction... Why would a Mosque need a 100 foot underground bunker again?

I dunno man my Catholic church that I go to had a huge bomb shelter under it that had hundred and hundreds of Big water barrels in it and C rations. It was able to hold hundreds of people. Many buildings here in NYC have fallout shelters. Its not unheard of that a place of worship have a shelter built into it.
It was also "THOUGHT TO BE"a Hizbollah HQ it was not definitly for sure MM.

Israeli troops have entered south Lebanon, stepping up an already fierce offensive, as warplanes targeted a building where top Hezbollah officials were thought to be located.


Hezbollah released a statement claiming none of its members were killed in the attack. The group also said the building, described as a bunker by Israeli officials, was actually a mosque under construction.

Source

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
I dunno man my Catholic church that I go to had a huge bomb shelter under it that had hundred and hundreds of Big water barrels in it and C rations. It was able to hold hundreds of people. Many buildings here in NYC have fallout shelters. Its not unheard of that a place of worship have a shelter built into it.
It was also "THOUGHT TO BE"a Hizbollah HQ it was not definitly for sure MM.

Nothing is more ridiculous than a bomb shelter in NYC... Except for a fallout shelter. Imagine trying to reach a shelter midday after a 25 minute inbound warning was given... I'd find a bar and order a 30 year old Scotch and make reasonable use of my final few minutes. The Civil Defense projects of the 50's and 60's were some of the biggest frauds perpetrated upon the American public. Exactly what survivable event (initial blast) could your safety be insured by hiding in a public building with some C-rations? Does any of that resemble the construction of SAC Command Center, a missile silo (they're selling them on eBay now), or the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center. How long can that Catholic Church maintain a positive internal pressure? I thought so... The public schools I went to were all "fallout shelters" but upon inquiry, the sad truth came out, they were common places of interment, interment of civilians bodies nothing more (and this was during the Cold War). There was no intention of survival, just convenient compartmentalization of casualties.

So how does your Catholic Church compare to a 100 foot underground bunker used for command and control?

As far as whether the Hezbollah leadership was there or not... What does it matter? If there was a reasonable chance of decapitating their leadership, you do it.