Poor misunderstood Aleister Crowley

"It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of devouring the heart and liver of an adversary while yet warm. For the highest spiritual working one must choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force; a male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory."

Aleister Crowley, someone you will see some attempt to explain as misunderstood, and in truth a liberator.
"All children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act......lest they be misdirected." Charming.
Interesting video here from Ted Gunderson, former head of FBI, Los Angeles.
video.google.com...

although i totaly disagree with everything this geezer stood for, his plans i feel had a big influence on society.

this is one reason why, no one should ever bring someone into this world.

[edit on 17-7-2006 by andy1033]

Originally posted by andrew ky
"It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of devouring the heart and liver of an adversary while yet warm. For the highest spiritual working one must choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force; a male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory."

If Crowley is so evil.. why do you have to missquote him? Certainly you could prove your point by using his words in context? hell at least add a ... to show that is not one continuous quote.

"Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood and offered him up for a burnt offering"

Originally posted by andy1033
although i totaly disagree with everything this geezer stood for

You disagree with Liberty?

[edit on 7/17/2006 by Cug]

I CANNOT EVEN begin to post anything that would make sense .. you guys are posting stuff like ... ... The Movie Rocky I ... Rocky goes thru round 1 with scratches ... Round two beat up badly ... Round three loses the fight ....

For the highest spiritual working one must choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force; a male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory."

I am so Sick of this Crap! Once & for all - Crowley was talking about SEMEN. He was NOT talking about Sacrificing Babies. Why don't you guys get a Life & actually contribute something useful to the world yourselves (if you are even capable of this) instead of ragging on the works of others!

[edit on 17-7-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Hahah this guy sites the "Satanic Pre-School" case, which was proven to be all lies shoved down the throats of the children by the people who interrogated them until the kids felt their only option was to agree with whatever the interrogator said. There's a funny South Park episode mirroring that scenario, and I think two movies about that case.

Crowley spoke in very purposeful riddles, he was the Yoda of yesteryear.
Only those iniated into the art would know what he really meant,
all others would be baffled, confused and run away to their dogmatic hidy holes.

The Circle or the Triangle, think about it folks!

Thank you Seraphim_Serpente, for bitch slapping the paranoids.


Threads like this one are why there should be IQ tests and Psychological Examinations
before people can use the internet.

"Clean what thou spilt"
--Milk Without Tears, Uncle Al


[edit on 17-7-2006 by Legalizer]

[edit on 17-7-2006 by Legalizer]

Originally posted by Legalizer

Crowley spoke in very purposeful riddles, he was the Yoda of yesteryear.
Only those iniated into the art would know what he really meant,
all others would be baffled, confused and run away to their dogmatic hidy holes.

Really all you need to do to understand much of it is to think like a naughty schoolboy

To quote the almighty Beavis "eh he he he "he said Staff" eh he he"

No, seriously, you folks who defend Crowley are defending a known satanist and child murderer.

Maybe you don't believe that but WHAT IF... just WHAT IF it were true which I certainly believe it to be.

Or are you such mighty blinded satanists that such 'trivia' doesn't concern you.. Have you transcended such trifling moral concerns..

It's not for nothing that he was dubbed "the wickedest man in the world." by the British press. He was also expelled from Italy because Italian authorities accused his disciples of sacrificing human infants in occult rituals. According to one source, he also had his mistress copulate with a goat...

There is no smoke without fire..

An evil man.

Or are his defenders yoked in their dark halls trying to make this 'the wickedest website in the world..'

Friendly advice:

Why don't all you masons and assorted wannabees wake-up and realise what it is that you're really involved in... before your soul is irrevocably damned and you commit a sin from which you can never be forgiven..

What I represent is the freedom to not have our children sexually abused.. which time and time again seems to be a theme with Masons and secret societies..Funny that eh?

[edit on 17-7-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
No, seriously, you folks who defend Crowley are defending a known satanist and child murderer.

Maybe you don't believe that but WHAT IF... just WHAT IF it were true which I certainly believe it to be.

Oh poppycock... WHAT IF... just WHAT IF everything you know as true is false??

What do you have as evidence he was a child murder? And why do you feel it was a not reference to a sexual act that can not produce a child?

It's not for nothing that he was dubbed "the wickedest man in the world." by the British press.

No he was the "wickedest man in the world" because he liked guys to "do" him. Sodomy would get your butt locked up. (Just ask Oscar Wilde)

err... no pun intended

[edit on 7/17/2006 by Cug]

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
No, seriously, you folks who defend Crowley are defending a known satanist and child murderer.

Maybe you don't believe that but WHAT IF... just WHAT IF it were true which I certainly believe it to be.

Belief is a funny thing. See I believe you are a child pornographer and woman beater.
It must be true then, who is going to defend you?
Why should they bother, I won't believe them.

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Or are you such mighty blinded satanist that such 'trivia' doesn't concern you.. Have you transcended such trifling moral concerns..

Yeah that must be it, when you are mighty blinded satanists things just trivial things like paranoia and idiot accusations by ill informed mobs just seem to be so much mosquitos in the water under the bridge.

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
It's not for nothing that he was dubbed "the wickedest man in the world." by the British press.

BRITISH TABLOIDS, ala, the weekly world news and the enquirer.
I assume in your logic that its not for nothing that the bat boy gave birth to big foots baby and the apocalypse happens ever four weeks either.

He was also expelled from Italy because Italian authorities accused his disciples of sacrificing human infants in occult rituals.

He was expelled from Italy because the Facist regime of Mussollini was expelling and distrupting all lodges and secret societies that might interfer with their nefarious plans. But I guess you'll believe that the jews were also sacrificing german children to their dark god as well as the propraganda machine also proclaimed at the time.

According to one source, he also had his mistress copulate with a goat...

Oh god bestiality?!?! Happens every day, guess you haven't the internet long.
You should probably disconnect it before you read some more lies and then
go around spreading them like butter on a bagel.

There is no smoke without fire..

And there is no feces in an open field without flies, and your statements are buzz buzz buzzin

An evil man.

A dead man.
Another man said "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

Or are his defenders yoked in their dark halls trying to make this 'the wickedest website in the world..'

Oh damn, he/she/it is on to our plan, guess we'll have to go find someplace else to turn into the wickedest website in the world, maybe BTS, where this thread belongs.



[edit on 17-7-2006 by Legalizer]

You sir are now defending a peodophile and child murderer.

Just so you know.. when that truth finally hits you it's really gonna hurt.

EP, I'm siding with you... you're reputable enough, and coheirant enough in your arguments, that if you accuse someone of such ludicrous and fantastical crimes, it must be true.

Death to Crowley! Lock the fiend up, today!

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
What I represent is the freedom to not have our children sexually abused.. which time and time again seems to be a theme with Masons and secret societies..Funny that eh?

What you represent is paranoid delusion. The willingness to accuse anyone and anything of the vilest of crimes simply to satisfy your own twisted agenda. You are no more on the side of the children than the man you claim Crowley was.

Misdirected obsession is the saddest of all activities.

[edit on 17-7-2006 by Trinityman]

"Honi soit qui mal y pense"( Evil be to those who think evil)

The following quotes are from the "dark side of the Bible", as you can see even those you worship may get up to some very nasty things.
Crowley was an angel compared to some of the things you can read in the Bible and certainly he did not eat children, I believe the most wicked thing he did was to kill a cat!


"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them." (Ezekiel 4:12-13)"
Eating dung??

"But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" (II Kings 18:27)
Drinking piss??

"And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son...." (II Kings 6:28-29)
Eating babies??

Osbert+

Originally posted by Osbert

Crowley was an angel compared to some of the things you can read in the Bible and certainly he did not eat children, I believe the most wicked thing he did was to kill a cat!

In his autobiography, he claimed to have killed a cat at the age of 11. He goes on to say that the reason was to test the nine lives hypothesis, which leads me to believe he was joking. I do not believe the cat killing incident ever occured, and of course, by age 11, Crowley would have known that cats don't really have nine lives.

When Raol Loveday died at the Abbey of Thelema from drinking contaminated water, his wife, who despised Crowley, gave an interview to a tabloid claiming that his death stemmed from drinking the blood of a sacrificial cat. However, her tale was debunked, and the autopsy verified the Thelemites' story: Loveday died of drinking bad water, which Crowley had warned everyone there not to do.

Furthermore, the claims of bestiality are likewise bogus. Crowley himself never actually denied any of these charges, apparently satisfied that he was outraging the status quo, but all eyewitnesses, many of whom eventually fell out with Crowley, were in unison that these stories were completely fictional.

EP also accuses Crowley of being a murderer, pedophile, and a satanist, but as most of us have figured out by now, whatever EP says, usually the exact opposite is true. Crowley was never a satanist or pedophile.

The only "murder" that Crowley ever committed was in self defense during a trip to India. Crowley informs us that he was being mugged by a small band of Thugees. He shot one to death, and the remainder scattered. He then tells us that he made himself "invisible" by assuming the God Form of Harpocrates (a standard Golden Dawn technique), and was thus able to exit the country without incident.

Crowley was well ahead of his time. To me, his actions where the first blow to the heart of modern Christianity. I've studied loads of his works and its indeed powerful stuff. Many believe he was evil as he practised magick, but then again people have been brainwashed for the past 1700 years in believing that magick is evil. What we have to remember is that magick was around alot longer than any modern day religion. (In modern I relate the last 2000 years as modern, in religious terms.)

I'm sure with the events in the Middle East, things will be alot different soon, maybe paving the way for a return to Old Ways.

You know what really gets me is if these folks really wanted to "prove" Crowley was bad/evil/whatever, all they need is the stuff he really did. There is more than enough to send a good Christian running away. I can think of few things that could replace the goat thing that would work splendidly.

a known satanist and child murderer.

Yet more Garbage (I just got done telling you that he was talking about SEMEN - a Sperm is NOT a Baby - Just because Crowley was a Pagan instead of a Christian does NOT make him a Satanist)! Why don't you *PROVE* those two Claims? Right - just as I thought - Edelweiss Pirate you are nothing more than a Propagandist Troll!!! In my Opinion you should be Banned from ATS! How is it that you got away with calling ALL Freemasons = Pedophiles on this website? Fundamentalist Moron - keep your garbage to yourself!

[edit on 18-7-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

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[edit on 18-7-2006 by mrwupy]

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
BTW guess what! I'm not a Christian.. but you ARE a Satanist. You're the fool yoked to dogma not me.

You do realize that there are 1,270,000 google results for satan pirate right?

I see a trend there...