Questions for John Lear

Ah John,

Thanks for sharing some of your moments with us.I have similar pics,exept instead of the good ol' cowboy outfit,it was a kilt with a puffy shirt..............

Regards to the cloned/prototype craft that are being tested/used at remote bases,do you think,in your own opinion that these craft are being used in a
"black" airforce?

thanks again for your time!

Originally posted by Cygnus_Hunter

Regards to the cloned/prototype craft that are being tested/used at remote bases,do you think,in your own opinion that these craft are being used in a
"black" airforce?

There is a very large 'black' air force. They use very clever ways to get around public knowledge for instance the Secretary of the Air Force knows absolutley nothing about the 'black' air force so when asked he can honestly say "We have nothing like that".

The ownership is very clever also. At one time they had all the 'black' aircraft under NORAD but that was 20 yeas ago. I don't know how they do it today but somehow they keep the manufacturer as the owner.

The uninformed think they can track any new aircraft or aircraft program but the fact is they can't. They think that Groom Lake is the center of secret activity which it isn't and hasn't been since the late 80's. Its a giant decoy.

John,

What are these other secret bases for aircraft that you are refering to?

Thats right around the time I went to the Lightning Dude Ranch next to Culver 1959, 60 and 61. Culver was a beautiful place. The cadets black horses were absolutely incredible and well groomed. The uniforms and shinny sabers were impressive and they carried the sabers with them on the horses, and I can remember this stunning huge sailboat they trained on at the lake.

Here is a little story you will appreciate. the Lightning Dude Ranch was owned and operated by a guy called Sed and he ran a tight ship next to Culver and he believed in discipline. Most of the kids were well to do that attended the ranch during the summer. My brother dated a girl at the ranch named Candy and her house contained an elevator out of Chicago.

Sed gets this bright idea to bring in under privilaged kids free of charge that he gets off the street in Chicago in other words gangs and mixes them in with the well to do kids. My grand parents had money but we did not have much growing up. They paid big bucks for my older brother and I to go to the ranch each summer.

The first thing the gangs did is take over the large bunk house that I was bunking in. This held approx. 50 of us Dudes. The gang leaders came to me and said we need your bunk you will have to move and sleep on the floor and I said no. They pull a knife on me and said we will cut off your balls and shave your head if you do not. I was 11 years old at the time. The gang leaders said if you want to keep your balls and bed your going to have to fight all comers.

Now I look at the door and they have it blocked for no one could get out. Well needless to say I had to fight for my life. So I fight or boxed 3 different kids at different times and win. I had one more kid to fight he was 14 and I was flat out tired and he barely won. I was small but would fight anybody. The gang members let me keep my bed and they did not cut me with the knife.

This gets real good my brother was a councelor and was 14 years old at the time and played varsity football as a freshman in Ohio and was 6 ft. 1 inches tall. I did not tell him anything, he asks me how things are going I said fine but I had to sleep with one eye open every night.

My brother was no dummy some how he finds out what was going on in the bunk house. He catches 2 of them behind the bunk house and beats the holy you know what out of them. The next day the whole group from Chicago was gone. Sed knew he had made a mistake but his intensions were good. Rik Riley







[edit on 18-4-2007 by rikriley]

Originally posted by JackCash
John,

What are these other secret bases for aircraft that you are refering to?

"Sandia" is located about 35 miles west north west of Groom Lake on the Pahute Mesa just to the north west of Dead Horse Flats. It was built between 1980 and 1987 and opened for business in 1987. It is all underground. Out on the desert to the northwest of the mesa are several runways of the Sandia complex with many hangars.

There are 2 large secret underground bases in northeast Nevada. One is just to the west of Ely and another is on the east side of the Kinsley Range northeast of Ely just on the Utah border.

I believe that at least part of US Space Command is moving to Sandia.

This is probably a dumb question but how do they move all that rock and dirt undetected. Is it by dump trucks, railroad this has to be a massive amount of dirt and rock. Is the underground network so vast that they can move the dirt hundreds of miles before surfacing? Rik Riley

Is this Sandia site is part of Sandia National Laboratories? The Sandia Corp. owned by Lockheed Martin?

From their website:

Sandia National Laboratories is one of the Department of Energy's (DOE) largest research and engineering organizations. Our 50-year history began in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in 1949 and expanded to Livermore, California, in 1956. Sandia also operates facilities in Nevada and Hawaii.


"facilities in Nevada" Meaning more than one. More than just the Nuclear Test Site. I have long thought that the D.O.E. is a cover agency for many dark projects as well as having ongoing legitimate endeavors.








[edit on 4/18/2007 by TheAvenger]

Originally posted by TheAvenger
Is this Sandia site is part of Sandia National Laboratories? The Sandia Corp. owned by Lockheed Martin?

No. At some point, probably in the 80's many new secret projects were given common names so that they wouldn't trigger any curiosity. Sandia could be mistaken for Sandia National Labs, or the Sandia mountains.

For instance there is a secret runway east of Area 2 at Nellis Air Force Base. It is used for tactical training and used only late at night. The name for this area is "flight line'. So if someone mentions he is headed for "flight line' it means he is going over to the secret runway. If you don't know about 'flight line' you'll just think he is going to the flight line at Nellis proper.

As with Sandia, only if you know what the word really means do you know what is being refered to. There is a secret 'word' for operations that go on at S-4. If someone stats talking to you about S-4 and he doesn't mention that word then you don't say anything.

I just stared last night and I am hoping to get up to speed and catch up to the folks on page 60 soon....

This is a GREAT THREAD John thank you so much for this!!


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I had to edit MY question out because I found the answer a few posts later on....I am back on page 21.............I edited out my question because I do not want John to need to repete things already clearly stated.
Repeting oneself is so blah blah blah................so I edit.



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John,
I have 2 questions,

1.Have you looked into the assassination of JFK jr. at all?

I recently viewed an excellent video on GoogleVid that is very interesting. (it’s by the same guy who did JFK II)

(running time 1hr 46min) it's worth it John!!!

Google Video Link

A lot of the information in the video would benefit from comments from an accomplished pilot such as yourself. For example:

The selector valve linkage was deformed, and the valve was found in the OFF position.

…which the doc claim is highly unlikely. For me the existence of a media cover-up is obvious, but I’d love to hear from you on some of the more technical aspect.

Also, you’re welcome to check out the NTSB’s accident report, with all the technical jargon that you probably enjoy immensely.

2. Have you tried MSFT Flight simulator X? If so have you tried the secret mission to Area 51?

Originally posted by johnlear

Originally posted by JackCash
John,

What are these other secret bases for aircraft that you are refering to?

"Sandia" is located about 35 miles west north west of Groom Lake on the Pahute Mesa just to the north west of Dead Horse Flats. It was built between 1980 and 1987 and opened for business in 1987. It is all underground. Out on the desert to the northwest of the mesa are several runways of the Sandia complex with many hangars.

There are 2 large secret underground bases in northeast Nevada. One is just to the west of Ely and another is on the east side of the Kinsley Range northeast of Ely just on the Utah border.

I believe that at least part of US Space Command is moving to Sandia.

Why would the U.S. Space command be moving into an underground military base housing secret airplanes? Do you believe this to be part of some space operation?

Originally posted by JackCash

Why would the U.S. Space command be moving into an underground military base housing secret airplanes? Do you believe this to be part of some space operation?

The underground base at Pahute Mesa does not house any secret airplanes.

There are underground facilities and aboveground hangars and runways to the northwest of Pahute Mesa in the flat, desert area where the secret airplanes fly out of.

The underground base at Pahute Mesa is a huge operational center for all kinds of different projects. It is also connected to 5 cylindrical housing areas about a mile deep under the Mesa. My information is that each one of the housing areas holds living quarters for 12,000 to 15,000 combat troops and 2000 or 3000 officers.

Originally posted by johnlear
I believe that at least part of US Space Command is moving to Sandia.

John,

With all dew respect, I am wondering if you are aware that a seprate Space Command no longer exists? The Former US Space Command was merged into US Strategic Command back on October 1, 2002. Here is some info about the Merger from Strategic Command's Website:

On June 26, 2002, Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced that U.S. Space Command would merge with USSTRATCOM. As part of a change to the Unified Command Plan, President Bush migrated space missions from the former USSPACECOM and subsequently nominated Admiral James Ellis to be commander of the new unified command, which would retain the U.S. Strategic Command name and would be headquartered at Offutt. The activation of the new USSTRATCOM took place Oct. 1, 2002.

US Strategic Command history

You can find the above quote about 3/4 of the way down the page.

Given that your assertion about a part of the command moving to Sandia is correct, Sandia would now (at least in part) belong to Strategic Command. That raises a few intresting questions from my side of the table, the big one being:

What is Strategic Command doing at a base that officially doesn't exist?

Just a few thought for the morning.

Respectfully,

Tim

Originally posted by Ghost01
The Former US Space Command was merged into US Strategic Command back on October 1, 2002. Here is some info about the Merger from Strategic Command's Website:

Thanks for the reminder Tim. I still call NASA NACA also.

What is Strategic Command doing at a base that officially doesn't exist?

Hiding?

Originally posted by Ghost01
With all dew respect, I am wondering if you are aware that a seprate Space Command no longer exists? The Former US Space Command was merged into US Strategic Command back on October 1, 2002. Here is some info about the Merger from Strategic Command's Website:

You can find the above quote about 3/4 of the way down the page.

Given that your assertion about a part of the command moving to Sandia is correct, Sandia would now (at least in part) belong to Strategic Command. That raises a few intresting questions from my side of the table, the big one being: *snip*
Tim

Thanks for the US Space Command to US Strategic Command correction, I completely didn't know what John Lear was referring to until your informative post Tim.

Just a correction to your post so people are not confused as to the content and completely understand the important correction you have made. The following misspellings were made (corrections follow the misspelled word).

dew - due

seprate - separate

intresting - interesting

And FYI the definition of the word dew just for your reference.

Main Entry: dew, CLICK TO HEAR THE WORD 'Dew'
Pronunciation: 'dü also 'dyü
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English dEaw; akin to Old High German tou dew, Greek thein to run

1 : moisture condensed upon the surfaces of cool bodies especially at night
2 : something resembling dew in purity, freshness, or power to refresh
3 : moisture especially when appearing in minute droplets: as a : TEARS b : SWEAT c : droplets of water produced by a plant in transpiration

- dew transitive verb
- dew·less /-l&s/ adjective

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Note: the following is for levity Only.

John I have some questions:

#1:
Do you like Cheetos?
#2:
Do you Believe Aliens might like Cheetos?
#3:
If no to 1 and 2, what snack do you like, and what snack have you heard aliens like(if any)?
#4:
If after we die we go into that giant soul-scooper thingamabob on the moon,
Will they let us have Cheetos?
Thanks In Advance.

I have more serious questions to ask then what snacks do our friendly neighbours aliens like...
Maybe you aluded to Alien Digest vol. 1

Also Mr. John my question is indeed about some quoting from that magazine...

Ron Rummel, ex-Air Force intelligence agent and publisher of the Alien Digest, died on August 6, 1993, having allegedly shot himself in the mouth with a pistol. Friends say, however, that no blood was found on the pistol barrel and the handle of the weapon was free of fingerprints. In addition, according to information now circulating, the suicide note left by the deceased was written by a left-handed person. Rummel was right-handed. Perspiration on the body smelled like sodium pentothal, or so it is alleged.

The Alien Digest ran to seven limited issues, all now very hard to acquire. One thing is certain: Rummel's magazine was touching on sensitive and unpalatable issues such as the predator/prey aspect of the alien/human relationship, and the use of humans as food and recyclable body parts. It is worthy of note that one of Rummel's friends was Phil Schneider, and the two had been collaborating.

Mr. John, if You have had any contact and info from late Ron Rummel and his papers what do you think about what is said above???
I think it is quite cruical question...

Alien digest vol. 1 states ... One mention that it is 1992 year which is writing about 1987 SDI projects.

Quote

"Various R&D projects are undertaken from many agencies in MIEC (Millitary industrial extraterestrial complexes) which are studying and puting to practice new exotic weapon systems in SDI fashion. The United States seems to coordinate all the countries and put to work what seems best for R&D at the time here in the U.S. The main coordinate center for SDI projects and human defense system in case of alien attack is in Pine Gap MIEC facillity.
John Lear told the world that MJ-12
was divided between telling the
public of the "Grand Deception" and
the "Horrible truth" of what they bargained
away for at the cost of high
technology from the aliens. The
other part of MJ-12 (and Majority)
thought SDI was the best way to continue
and to tell the public was out of
the question. (unless maybe in
science fiction movies?) "

End of quote.

It's about alien attack on earth or silent takeover which would be even more frightening, and which in my opinion is unfortenutly taking place last 25 years, and is quite finished allready in their favour!!!
Mr. Lear, you stated in this forum somewhere I've read it, quote...
"The battle is allready lost"...
My questions are real as firm ground and quite serious.
Is it true what you've said, and what do you think now after 10 years or more about Ron's qouting of yours from his magazine Alien Digest vol. 1???

It is extraordinary information and you could tell me (us) near truth as it is possible now after 10 or more years of this article...
Thankz and good to be in position to talk to experienced researchers like You...

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Pahute Mesa



I thought I was looking at a crater of a bomb testing range, then I realized that the crater appeared to be built above ground. I think this is a large pile of either meta volcanic or limestone shaped to look like a crater. I also noticed that the vegatation appears to have been planted in rows around parts of the "crater." There are many of these piles that I feel are the tailings of what is an underground base...Dont bomb craters dig out a hole instead of building up a mound with the base of the crater higher then the level of the mesa(IMO)? This crater is on top of the mesa directly west of the lone airstrip in Pahute Mesa. Their is also a large sand and gravel (maybe copper as well) mining opersation going on just east of the airstrip. I didnt see any evidence of a mine, so my question is were are they getting thier material?

Originally posted by DeeMack
I didnt see any evidence of a mine, so my question is were are they getting thier material?

You've completely lost me DeeMack. Sorry. What mine are we talking about and getting their material for what?

The grey aggregate shaped like craters (7 of them) on top of the mesa directly west of Pahute Mesa air strip is the left over material from digging an underground facility IMO. Also, just east of the Pahute Mesa lone air strip is a sand and gravel operation with no sign of an open quarry. The material being prosessed in this sand plant is excess underground facility material as well. There are numerous huge aggregate deposits in the area, some measuring more then 500ft in width, and 250 ft high (estimate)... Can you tell us more on Pahute Mesa, im very interested since finding what I feel is proof of great amounts of excess aggegate which could only have come from a really big hole...

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