Jesus Christ and God almighty...?

alriht guys...i dont know if this is the right spot to post this...but i was just wondering:
do you guys/gals believe in Jesus Christ and God

-OR-


do you guys believe that there is NO God


thanks for all of the replies

You rather limited our options there my friend. How about if I believe dearly in God but find all religions to be personally repulsive. I'm a spiritual anarchist which means I believe dearly in God, I just don't believe in religion, any religion.

Just my thoughts on it,

wupy

I am in the same boat as Wupy. Every religion seems twisted, somehow. I believe there is a God, but I don't get into the religion behind it. Ever notice religion is the biggest driving force behind wars, protests, arguments and laws?

hmm...fair enuff...alright...lets put it this way, do you believe there IS a God, but religon is "twisted" or do you believe that there is no God at all?

I believe in God and I am a Christian. I believe in the Christian faith. I think Jesus is the Salvation as he said "NOONE comes to the FATHER, except through me".

Oh there is a God alright! And when she looks down and sees the mess man has made of her word by twisting the message; she is not happy.

Originally posted by jimmabean

do you guys/gals believe in Jesus Christ and God

yes and yes

this thread should be closed, how many different places do we all have to have the exact same discussion under slightly different names.., honestly..

Originally posted by dnero6911
this thread should be closed, how many different places do we all have to have the exact same discussion under slightly different names.., honestly..

I don't think the thread should be closed but it should be moved to Faith & Spirituality in BTS. Thats not my call though since i don't mod this forum.

Jimmabean posted:

do you believe there IS a God, but religon is "twisted" or do you believe that there is no God at all?

As i've said, I believe dearly in God. I also believe that religion is an easy cop out for those too afraid to think for themselves.

It's really conveniant to have someone else tell you what and how to believe. Too conveniant.

The tough road is setting aside all the simple lessons and beliefs and trusting in the creator of all things to lead you to the truth and light.

God created man, Man created religion. Who do you trust?

These are just my personal beliefs and apply to no one but me. I'm a cult of one and if you want to join my cult the answer is no. Go start your own damn cult

wupy

I believe in God--God as pure spirit--which means energy, not flesh.

I call God 'He' for convenience in communicating, but I don't see God as male or female, but both--as far as energy and creative force--I perceive God as something really fundamental that we overlook as being anything but a scientific phenomenon:

God is Light. And that light is manifested in our lives as love and we honor God with truth.

All religions, for the most part, seem to worship a man as emissary of God--after the man in question is no longer physically present. Buddhism doesn't promote a god (and surely there are others)--and although most say there is no God inherent in Buddhism--what would be more accurate would be to say that it leaves God undefined, within, and individually discoverable. It avoids all pre-formed definitions of God. God-in-a-box, that's religion, IMO.

But in Islam, there is Mohammed--although declared a prophet, the religion doesn't allow his name to be spoken against.

I've even read some theories that Brahmin is actually Abraham...very feasible...but I don't know enough about it to say, just an example.

Zoroaster was a man, long ago in what is now Iran.

Same with Christianity. Regardless of what came after the death on the cross--when Yehoshua was on earth, he was born as a human, lived a human life, and died a mortal death. To say otherwise is to make nothing out of what he did and worship a man as a god and minimize brotherly love into some sort of expected duty of God--what sacrifice is it to die as a human, when you're God already?

It is God who saves, not man--yet God saves man through man--what else can be done in a physical world by an absolute spiritual entity? But to worship a man, instead of God, is not what we are to do.

Neither Christ or Buddha sought to start a new religion or be a god--or worshipped in any way.

In truth, God serves His creation. And creation is right to worship (meaning honor, love, and adore) the Creator. But God doesn't require anything of man--man is the one lacking, not God.

And so religion, in the idea of this or that is what must be done to appease or please any god, is idolatry--and it is promoted not by God, but by men! Even the bible will say this very thing--God doesn't need a house, or vain oblations and observances, God doesn't require monetary offerings or evangelism.

All God requires of man is for man to love man as God loves man. And if anything has corrupted that idea, it is religion. Any and all religions.

The ancient gods and goddesses that were considered idolatry were not idolatry for the primary reason of being later worshipped as wooden and metal icons fashioned by men, but because they were actual people at one time--long long ago--and worshipping either them or their ghosts, fashioned into icons or not, is idolatry because it worships a man or an angel as a god. And those gods didn't mind man serving them--demanded it, in fact. And that isn't truth. It is what Paul spoke of in one of his letters. Nebuchadnezzar is a more tangible example--he made a statue of himself and demanded fealty. The Pharoahs of Egypt were believed to be made into gods, after they died--and even though their beliefs were strange, their enduring holy book was 'the book of the dead'--yet which of the 7 ancient wonders of the world still stands? All of them were of an 'idolatrous' nature and earthquakes felled them all, and later waters engulfed them--I say that because there have been recent discoveries of the ruins off the coastlines of ancient lands--except the great pyramid (which isn't a tomb, BTW).

Then there are those religions started by human beings, such as Mormonism and Scientology. No matter what is promoted about them--they were started by men saying they knew god and that others should follow them for that reason. Even Paul is blamed for starting Christianity. Paul was Hebrew--his words, hard to understand, were taken up by the Roman church and corrupted into nonsense, and he is blamed.

Our planet had Some Designer assemble it so it is fit for life.

Our human race had Some Designer string together DNA so we're here.

Teaching ethics is part of Material Life; but it's not the whole story.

Of course, we have a Progenitor, just as each of us has two Grandmothers and two Grandfathers.

So, yeah, there's God, the One who started it all. And "He's" probably an ET.

But prophets are another kettle of fish. I don't know for sure about prophets.

Supposedly, Jesus was a relative of God who served as a prophet. Now, that's not completely illogical either.

I just hope They--God and His prophets--are about saving our planet and putting Justice back where it belongs because we've sure messed things up, up til now, by being deceived and lying to each other, mostly.

Originally posted by joshai2334
Our planet had Some Designer assemble it so it is fit for life.

Our human race had Some Designer string together DNA so we're here.

No doubt! Everything, to me, is so well-designed and efficiently simple yet complex in its perfection, somehow....even if I hadn't been born with a conviction there was a God, I'd surely believe by now, with all that I've learned in my 'travels.'

So, yeah, there's God, the One who started it all. And "He's" probably an ET.

Well, that's a given, isn't it? I mean strictly speaking on the 'extra terrestial' part--unless we're all missing something BIG.
I like ET better than 'supernatural.'

But prophets are another kettle of fish. I don't know for sure about prophets.

Prophets, angels, Elohim--all messengers in their various forms, but the souls are the same--they 'run and return'--there aren't many and they never rest for even a lifetime, probably, but they're okay--not all prophets, but those who no one listens to--those are the real prophets. The idea of a popular prophet (profit) is a false one--200 all singing the same song, more or less, on the internet--those you gotta watch out for. Especially when they have a 'paypal' button or 'shopping cart' option...that's a given (for me).

Supposedly, Jesus was a relative of God who served as a prophet. Now, that's not completely illogical either.

Eldest melek/malak...Haliel. God is the invisible parent--the 'relatives' are the seven spirits which manifest God--the 'magistrates'--androgynous siblings I guess would be right--Elohim. But yet just still totally in unity with God. That's why Paul says not to worship angels--worshipping Yeshoshua is wrong--and Christ is not an angel but more like God's spirit.

I just hope They--God and His prophets--are about saving our planet and putting Justice back where it belongs because we've sure messed things up, up til now, by being deceived and lying to each other, mostly.

They are, don't worry.
Even the messing up was part of the plan--it's not as bad as it might seem--since it's not really in our hands, yet--although we'd like to think so. There's a grand design far out of the range of our human drafting tables, this I know.

All the mythos and lore and 'other' religions in the world's history seem to be just the various cultural interpretations of the one same force--it is just hard for people to put aside their attachments and open their minds to the idea of 'unity.' But there's no other possibility--unity or destruction--and destruction is vetoed.

I'm waiting for this to be booted to the BTS forum.

Where is the conspiracy oh moderators?

The one I put in here ahd the conspiracy clearly noted and you moved it. Wah's up?

My personal opinion of religion, they restrict your way of thinking and have narrow paths and a set number of rules. If you dont follow any religion, yet you still believe, then you are truly free. The question if god exists or not, like always, a hard nut to crack, but i do believe in something that gave us purpose to exist, learn and put our experiences into practise. The question if this "Creator" is nature at work or a divine presence... Fill that in yourself. Personally i think there's alot more going on than most of the human race are aware of.

Yet the biggest truth it remains hidden...For now.

Going back to religion, if you look at it, there are billions of different religions, think about it, does every person think the same about god? Unlikely...

Originally posted by Mammoth
Going back to religion, if you look at it, there are billions of different religions, think about it, does every person think the same about god? Unlikely...

Good point! And yet, I personally believe there is but one God--one invisible Creator of all men--therefore it would seem that religion is probably the most vain argument mankind could think of....

Why not argue over something that actually has two sides, or more?




[edit on 7/5/2006 by queenannie38]

Having looked into the Montauk project and its mind-control victims, I believe that organized religion is deep into psych-ops of the MKULTRA and Montauk drug- and sex-abuse/pedophilia rings.

www.insider-magazine.com...

Religion is being used as a Fifth Column entry into Fundamentalist Christianity, to twist it into conformity with the current so-called "Christian" administration.

That's how I see a connection.

Originally posted by jimmabean
alriht guys...i dont know if this is the right spot to post this...but i was just wondering:
do you guys/gals believe in Jesus Christ and God
-OR-
do you guys believe that there is NO God

Well, there's certainly no way to prove a negative, so nobody can definitively say there's no God. That leaves all the believers to provide a positive proof of such a thing or entity. So far, nobody's even been able to provide a clear definition of "God," much less one little tiny shred of proof of his/its existence. Same thing with Jesus. They base their beliefs on old, unverifiable stories or "feelings" they have that were inculcated into them as children. That's their problem, I guess. But there's not a lot to hang your hat on, there. For me, I figure if such a thing as God actually existed it would be a lot more obvious, which definitely counts against it. But you can't reason with people whose minds are clouded by dogma.