Mind Control Technology

Many Americans (and foreigners???) believe that the U.S.A. uses mind control technology on their brains; ultra-fast technology (significantly beyond typical consumer technology) that can read thoughts, block thoughts, and transmit thoughts. What is the truth?

What's the truth? Yes, the govt. has been experimenting with mind controlling and mind reading tech since the start of the Cold War. Have they got slinky little machines that turn humans into robots? Dunno. Google it.

I don't believe it can be done, in a literal sense.

If by 'transmit thought' you mean 'sneak something past the ears using a trick', maybe.

If by 'read thoughts' you could stretch to include monitoring micro-movements of the face and tongue, maybe.

Can we see a thought take place in the brain, from either a short distance or a long distance?

Originally posted by GreatTech
Can we see a thought take place in the brain, from either a short distance or a long distance?

Thermal scans of the brain show which areas are used doing certain tasks, such as speaking and moving.

Here's a good wikipedia article on Brain Implants

Brain implant technology is at the very, very early stages. At it's core, it's using electric impulses to cause a physical reaction. If the impulses could be delivered to the brain without implanting a physical microchip, someone would be able to control a person's physical responses. Hypothetically, you could create an emotional response (anger, apathy, etc) by stimulating the corresponding area of the brain. Viola! Thought control.

Some believe that the government/NWO/et al. currently have the technology to stimulate the brain remotely. See the main wiki article on "Mind Control" or search ATS for posts about H.A.A.R.P and other supposed mind control programs.

[edit on 5-7-2006 by el_topo]

el_topo, do you believe technological mind control from a short distance or long distance occurs in the USA?

McGill Scientists Aim to Rewire Traumatic Thoughts (Real Mind Control!)

McGill has a long history of experiments with mind control. Some of the background is in that post.
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Gools, thank you for your reply. Do you mean a human thought in images or language can be seen and altered by blocking the necessary chemicals and forces for this thought, or by inserting chemicals or forces that can produce a thought? Can certain chemical or force thoughts, whether they be image or language, be "read" by computer or otherwise, by this technology?

Subliminal messaging is used all types of advertising to influence the products you buy.

I'm sure the Govt. uses something similar in their propaganda via the MSM.
Very subtle mind control but very effective.

For some reason I have an almost uncontrollable urge to delete this post. hummmm....

I think I been hip...no...tized!

[edit on 5-7-2006 by whaaa]

whaaa, you speak of indirect mind control, i.e., what you see on the TV. What about direct mind control that tells you whether to turn the TV on, or not?

Its not only the US that was doing this stuff the KGB did alot of work with this stuff and by some accounts its more advanced then anything that came out of the US MK Ultra project.

Back during the Cold war if one side was investing money in a military project the other side would follow suit no matter how wacky the concept. The US trained dolphins to kill frogmen with a .45 cal bullet from a harness the dolphin wore. The Soviets then trained dolphins to kill with a compressed air needle.

Back and forth like that for decades.

I have read some KGB files on electronic mind control devices one of which was even claimed to have been used on the US Ambassador in Moscow. They focused the signal from a building across the street at his Embassy office and its reported to have messed him up with all types of ill effects. He couldnt concentrate, got bad migrane headaches, became ill etc..

Yes, shadow, I believe you're right. They were using things called 'scalar electromagnetics / inferferometry,' and they began radiating at the Embassy in the late 50's, affecting quite a few ambassadors in the end.

'scalar electromagnetics / inferferometry yeah im pretty sure that was the name of the tech

Thats some scary stuff IMO the way it works remotely. Ive always wondered if it could be scaled up to a point were satellites could use it. Something like that in a geosync orbit I would think could cover a rather large area

Maybe the tinfoil hat crowd was on to something

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
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I have read some KGB files on electronic mind control devices one of which was even claimed to have been used on the US Ambassador in Moscow. They focused the signal from a building across the street at his Embassy office and its reported to have messed him up with all types of ill effects. He couldnt concentrate, got bad migrane headaches, became ill etc..

That sounds like a version of an Active_Denial_System. That's what I'd call the "lo-res" version, one that causes some general effect on behaviour and cognition, but unable to direct a specific action. I mean he didn't suddenly have a desire to jump out the window or shout classified secrets from the window, he just felt crap.

On the possibility of a "high-res" version, I would say fMRI (Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) is a good candidate.

The recent discovery that magnetic resonance imaging can be used to map changes in brain hemodynamics that correspond to mental operations extends traditional anatomical imaging to include maps of human brain function. The ability to observe both the structures and also which structures participate in specific functions is due to a new technique called functional magnetic resonance imaging, fMRI, and provides high resolution, noninvasive reports of neural activity detected by a blood oxygen level dependent signal (Ogawa, et al, 1990 a and b, 1992, 1993; Belliveau, et al, 1990, 1991). This new ability to directly observe brain function opens an array of new opportunities to advance our understanding of brain organization,. . .

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FUTURE ROLE IN UNDERSTANDING THE PHYSIOLOGICAL BASIS FOR COGNITIVE AND PERCEPTUAL EVENTS
Due to the ability to image the entire 3-dimensional volume of brain, fMRI is capable of isolating many simultaneous and coordinated brain events. This "multi-level" view of brain activity can include "executive" functions and high level cognitive tasks simultaneously with the primary and secondary input such as vision and audition as well as cerebellar contributions. We are currently applying fMRI methods to identify brain structures uniquely involved with visual perceptions, language generation, comprehension of sequential information as in a movie, the execution of visually guided responses, and complex problem solving. These aspects of brain function have not previously been scrutinized with such precision, and represent some of the remaining frontiers in Neuroscience.

www.fmri.org...

So, that's a possible way of capturing data related to brain function. How do you transmit it?

Robots are one step closer to taking over the world today with news that researchers have developed an interface for Honda's Asimo robot that allows individuals to control it simply by thinking. The system, developed by Honda and ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories, uses an MRI machine to measure a person's brain signals, which are then relayed to Asimo. In a demonstration, a person in the MRI machine made a fist, then made a V-sign, which Asimo imitated a few seconds later. The same system could potentially be used to control a keyboard or phone, researchers say, or even help people with spinal cord injuries move their limbs. From there, we assume, it's only a matter of time before the bots learn to reverse the process, initiating a mind control link over their would-be masters.

hondas-asimo-gets-mind-control-interface

Okay, maybe it's still a bit hard to transmit a full blown thought, but it may be possible to transmit an analog of a thought, like a compressed version(or perhaps, a feeling/thought tone) on a carrier frequency (possibly microwave).

But back on earth, the aclu has filed a freedom of information act request, to find out whether brain scans are being used in terrorist interrogations.

The most likely technology to be used for anti-terrorism purposes is Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI), which can produce live, real-time images of people's brains as they answer questions, view images, listen to sounds, and respond to other stimuli. Two private companies have announced that they will begin to offer "lie detection" services using fMRI as early as this summer. These companies are marketing their services to federal government agencies, including the Department of Defense, Department of Justice, the National Security Agency and the CIA, and to state and local police departments.

(Emphasis added)
www.aclu.org...

And on the question of scalar electromagnetics and satelitte stuff, conventional science says there's no such thing as longitudinal scalar waves, only transverse ones.
Apparently longitudinal ones are required for all the cool stuff. With that said, could it be possible to transmit transverse scalar waves from a satellite, in such a way that they are received as longitudinal scalar waves on the surface of the planet?


[edit on 6-7-2006 by fingapointa]

Originally posted by GreatTech
Gools, thank you for your reply. Do you mean a human thought in images or language can be seen and altered by blocking the necessary chemicals and forces for this thought, or by inserting chemicals or forces that can produce a thought? Can certain chemical or force thoughts, whether they be image or language, be "read" by computer or otherwise, by this technology?

GT, I don't believe a sequential thought, the sort you "hear" in your head when you're thinking, can be inserted or retrieved, and most certainly not an image.

Gools' link, while interesting, doesn't provide an example of "thought control", just another confirmation that the process of memory consolidation can be interfered with. Memory transcription is a fairly delicate process, and many things can interfere with it, not just propanolol.

For example, a sufficiently hard (and well-aimed) blow to the head will "dump" every memory in transition. I can tell you that I took a knee to the head (my own, unfortunately, don't ask) and could remember the day preceding, and the moment I "woke up" (they tell me I was never unconscious), but the events between were discarded as if they'd never happened. As far as my conscious mind is concerned, the film was "spliced" and I went from prep work to being on a clay field with a 91W patting my face and calling my name. I don't think you could call a knee to the chops "mind control", yet on its face it would be a perfect example.

There are a number of other drugs that will inhibit hippocampal transcription, alcohol for one. Some long term drinkers have permanent damage to the areas of the hippocampus that render it incapable of further long-term memory transcription, and end up like that movie "40 First Dates". It's called "Korsakoff's Syndrome", and again while I don't think you could call alcoholism "mind control" it certainly fits the theme of Gools' link as well.

There are all sorts of pharmaceutical amnesics, you've probably had one. Versed will temporarily block conversion of short term memory, and that's what they often use it for in medical procedures.

I do believe in what someone upthread called "indirect mind control", and you probably see it every day, from advertising to news. I don't recall offhand who said it, but I believe someone once said something like "he who controls history controls the future". If you are sufficiently mis-informed, for example, then you can be influenced to do things you would not, had you known the truth.

But to create some pocket-sized machine you point at someone and they go all glassy-eyed and start chanting "I am in your power, master", no, I don't believe you will ever see it. Nor do I think you can easily feed in images. This gets a bit stickier to explain.

Your neural system is an amazing thing. Far more complex than the popularizers in the press lead you to believe. For one thing, your nerves don't "transmit electricity" to send information. That is a popular misconception. When nerves fire, they send an action potential down the body of the nerve as a wave of depolarization. Little valves are rapidly opening and closing on the body of the nerve called "ion channels", and they let sodium and potassium swap places. A ripple of charge state moves down the body of the nerve, not a flow of current. For myelinated nerve cells, there are small areas between nodes of Ranvier where the action potential IS carried as a "flow of current", this is a prime reason why myelinated nerve cells are faster than non-myelinated. But you can't really say that nerves are like wires. Between nerves, the communication is chemical, again, unlike wires.

For all this, the nerves in your brain don't fire at anything near the rate needed to encode sound, much less video; despite scary stories on the net, there just isn't any place to screw in a wire and send sounds, much less images, because your brain doesn't encode either as a data stream like your CD player or VCR. Your ears, for example, are neat little mechanical Fourier analyzers, separating out the components of what you hear by frequency, phase and amplitude. What leaves your cochlea isn't a nice 24 bit data feed, nor an analog signal transmitted over wires, but a broken down data set, so much 122 Hz, so much 342 Hz, attack envelope like so, with a phase of 30 degrees for this component and 53 degrees for that. This is all carried over a cable of neurons, not arranged exactly alike in any two people, and is delivered to several places in the mid-brain for further processing. There just isn't any one place you can point to and say, if I stick a wire in right there and feed in audio, this guy will hear it. Visual processing is far worse.

Yes, with an fMRI, you can say, hey, this guy listens to Bach and these areas light up, and if I play his mother's voice, these light up. But no level of resolution is going to allow you to plug in a set of earphones and listen to individual thoughts. They can't so much as identify where the ear has delivered the data and then just reconstitute THAT, much less solving the problem of "where do you perceive this sound", which is an entirely different issue. Somewhere in your head, there's some function by which you hear yourself think (who hears? who speaks?) and that's something like how you perceive sound, but not exactly. Every time another "center" handles the data, it becomes more abstract, less concrete, and the function that is YOU is at the top of this abstraction heap. No one's got a clue how this stuff is encoded. If you had wires hooked into every neuron you'd have a hell of a time deciphering it, if you ever could.

Now take a step back. Outside your head, you can only see tiny electrical and magnetic potentials which are caused by the charge vectors of neurons that are firing...in short, since there's no actual "current" what you pick up are rate of change information of the neurons' depolarization waves, and only those parts that are more or less vectored toward the particular electrode. Given that no neuron runs in a straight line for any distance you're getting a bit here from this one, a bit here from that one, all mixed together. Let's say it takes 10,000 neurons firing for you to perceive the sound of your fingers snapping. Take all that rate dependent crap chopped into God knows what abstract representation, all firing in a complex pattern, some pointing toward this electrode, others toward that, mashed together with all the neurons firing to make your heart beat, regulate your body temperature, support a subconscious fantasy about your neighbor, etc. You will not ever separate that out. And everyone's neurons are arranged differently. And change over time.

Now try to envision a field that can be applied from outside...that will induce these same "finger snap sound" neurons to fire in exactly the same way. You've got an even bigger issue going back the other way. Now how do I fire, in proper phasing and rate, those exact neurons? Without toggling off every stinking neuron in between?

It's a problem with no solution.

Thanks for the links fingapointa very interesting stuff

Originally posted by fingapointa
That sounds like a version of an Active_Denial_System. That's what I'd call the "lo-res" version, one that causes some general effect on behaviour and cognition, but unable to direct a specific action. I mean he didn't suddenly have a desire to jump out the window or shout classified secrets from the window, he just felt crap.

I think thats pretty much how its thought to have worked back then. Something akin perhaps too the infamous Chinese water torture. Using a even a mild yet uncomfortable effect but having it on for a very long time could create a much greater effect in the long run. Even those people that hear a low pitch humming noise can be driven near insane if its constant.

I just find that stuff scary because there can do it at a distance no need to drug you put implants in your brain or anything like that.

Electromagnetics effects could also be interesting since although we humans cant detect directions like birds can with their internal compass. We still have those same cells in our brains that act like little magnets. Not too long ago we found these magnetic particles (magnetite) in the human brain

www.npa.uiuc.edu... eception/magnetoreception.html

Who knows what you could do if you could control those particles in the brain.

Dr Nick Begich says n has shown hand held devices like a TV remote control that could put thought into your head or make you sick if you were in line of sight of the device and this was in the fifties, wonder what they [CIA] have now. Maybe you can find more about Nick from this link, Also Alan Watt [2nd link] talks often of Dr Begich showing this device to Congress and making some menbers sick with it...
www.geocities.com...

www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com...

LOL [think there is a Video of Dr Begich showing the device, a good hunter could find it]

Aw, dude, surely you're not accepting anything Begich says as truth, are you?

Begich is as full of bovine excrement as anyone I've seen on the net.

First, you should ask yourself "Doctor of what, exactly?", to which your answer is going to be...homeopathy.

If anyone wishes to debate any of the material on this thread with me, please note that I may do so if appropriate and if I have the time, but always on a civilized level. I will not respond to threats, insults and intimidations.

I believe it's usually much more mundane, show a certain behaviour over and over again (on TV) and people will follow it to varying degree - followers 'recruit' new ones, and so on.

finding a good meme is an art, though.


I found a strange version of mind control, namely spin conditioning... i'm not sure it's real, so take this with a grain of salt: www.xs4all.nl...: