Freemason Site Admits conspiracies behind globalization

The only problem is the conspiracy is so vast even they get confused. However here it is for what it's worth...

freemasonry.bcy.ca...

Hmm... it doesn't look like you read the site you linked.

My interpretation:

A) When 'Conspiracy Theorists' talk about conspiracies in government, they are talking about some huge web of shadowy figures... the fabled Illuminati or New World Order.

B) Conspiracies do exist, but on a much smaller scale... ie. two guys decide to scam the process, and line their pockets.

C) 'Conspiracy Theorists' make so much noise looking for A, which likely does not even exist, that they hurt the effort to find B, the ones that definitely do exist and cause real damage.

Originally posted by whokilledthekennedys
freemasonry.bcy.ca...

Nothing more.

From your link:

Conspiracy theorists generally fall into two camps: self-serving opportunists with a book or video to sell, and those who are simply trying to make sense out of a world they have no control over. Both are looking for patterns in historical and current events. Both have a tendency to oversimplify by fitting people, ideologies and events into comfortable pigeon holes with simplistic labels such as Illuminati, New World Order, or Zionist Occupational Government. The freemasons are often included in this shadowy group.
There are real conspiracies. Many of them are related. Many of them have been exposed by investigative journalists and corporate or government whistle-blowers. Their existence is no theory, but a very frightening reality. These books detail—with citations, references and facts—real conspiracies. It is unfortunate that the hucksters and paranoid cranks have so debased the term conspiracy that the real conspiracies, the real danger to a free and open society, so often go unreported or unremarked.

I saw no admission, nor a reference to globalization, so what's the "dillio?"

Check out those books. That is a Mason site admitting there really are conspiracies going on behind the scenes. You don't see that every day do you Mirthful me, usually it's deny deny deny.

Originally posted by whokilledthekennedys
Check out those books. That is a Mason site admitting there really are conspiracies going on behind the scenes. You don't see that every day do you Mirthful me, usually it's deny deny deny.

Actually I've seen masons on this site confirm that they believe in conspiracies. I certainly do. It's the masonic conspiracy that we don't believe, although admittedly this is simply because of the facts.

If you actually engage a freemason in a discussion beyond the narrow confines of 'your organization is flawed and a vehicle for the NWO' you will find some interesting responses. Freemasons are not the homogenous blob they are sometimes portrayed as!

of course. The idea that average masons aren't involved in globalization is true. However Freemasonry is still involved as the upper echelons of society are members aswell. Just because your lodge is out in the middle of nowhere doesn't mean the most influencial/notable masons aren't involved on conspiracies of corporate globalization.

It doesn't matter though. We just allow ourselves to get caught up in the most minute details of this type of argument. Secret Societies (P) need to be abolished on the whole.

I'm sorry to say but Freemasonry needs to be abolished aswell. Even if it's lodges out in the middle of nowhere. Instead of having a masonic meeting every tuesday it should be an entire community gathering once a month or something.

As for me I say forget the whole thing entirely. All that reggallia is kind of fruity and peculiar.

Originally posted by whokilledthekennedys
of course. The idea that average masons aren't involved in globalization is true. However Freemasonry is still involved as the upper echelons of society are members aswell. Just because your lodge is out in the middle of nowhere doesn't mean the most influencial/notable masons aren't involved on conspiracies of corporate globalization.

It doesn't matter though. We just allow ourselves to get caught up in the most minute details of this type of argument. Secret Societies (P) need to be abolished on the whole.

I'm sorry to say but Freemasonry needs to be abolished aswell. Even if it's lodges out in the middle of nowhere. Instead of having a masonic meeting every tuesday it should be an entire community gathering once a month or something.

As for me I say forget the whole thing entirely. All that reggallia is kind of fruity and peculiar.

Well - I think you're partly right. But I can quite confidently predict that freemasonry isn't involved in globalization issues - it just isn't that sort of an organization. There may be some individuals in masonry who are up to no good but, again, this is the wrong organization for them. The best anyone could really hope to achieve is to improve their personal network.

I have to say that detail is quite important in discussions of this nature. It's very easy to make broad brush false claims about freemasonry but more difficult to back them up. As always, it's the facts that should be to the fore. BTW I like your idea of an entire community meeting once a month, but I'm not sure where that ties in here.

I'd be interesting in hearing your arguments for why (and how) freemasonry ought to be abolished, but perhaps that's one for another thread.

Masonry is like a tree with a spoiled core. Sure there are good apples among some of the bad but the bad apples ruin the whole show.

What do you think Masonry is like in the City of London, Washington D.C. and New York? The power centres of the businessworld.

And what about the mass amount of members of masonry in these areas? They can't all be good but the really high up ones I'm sure wield alot of and control. Some of the power elite are noted masons and they must be involved in other things among themselves.

This means that Freemasonry in general is contaminated. Anyone who can't be influenced can simple be left out with no idea whatsoever as to what is going on (9/11 and what not...)


Why leave the women out. It seems medieval to do that. I thought this was the 21st century.

Why have secret societies at all in this world? It just seems so pointless without the goals of global domination and subversion.

Originally posted by whokilledthekennedys

Masonry is like a tree with a spoiled core. Sure there are good apples among some of the bad but the bad apples ruin the whole show.

I think this is overly harsh. Sure there are bad apples in every organization, but very few in freemasonry. I can think of 1 (one) off the top of my head from UGLE, a constitution of some quarter million members.

What do you think Masonry is like in the City of London, Washington D.C. and New York? The power centres of the businessworld.

Well, I know masonry in London quite well. It's more expensive than the rest of the country, and many lodges are struggling to get members. The Power Brokers of the City are not to be found in masonic lodges - they don't have time for such things. They're far too busy making money and exploiting small 3rd world countries to be bothered with a morality-based institution.

And what about the mass amount of members of masonry in these areas? They can't all be good but the really high up ones I'm sure wield alot of and control. Some of the power elite are noted masons and they must be involved in other things among themselves.

I'm sure they're not all 'good', although I'd be interested in what your definition of 'good ' is. Sometimes speeds? Swears? Kills people?

Please explain to me who 'the really high up ones' are? Are you talking about the GM, ProGM, DepGM, AsstGM only, or the Board of General Purposes, or all Grand Officers, or maybe anyone who is a Past Master? Would this include or exclude Provincial Grand Masters?

I think you are seeing a conspiracy here, because some wealthy and influential people are masons. Why?

This means that Freemasonry in general is contaminated. Anyone who can't be influenced can simple be left out with no idea whatsoever as to what is going on (9/11 and what not...)

No it doesn't. Your premise is entirely false and based on nothing but hearsay and innuendo. You have no evidence whatsoever to back up these assertions and I fear, to those of us who understand more fully what freemasonry is, you are embarrasing yourself.

Why leave the women out. It seems medieval to do that. I thought this was the 21st century.

The women have their own brand of freemasonry, to which men are not admitted. Are you equally upset about that? Perhaps they should be censured for being sexist?

Why have secret societies at all in this world? It just seems so pointless without the goals of global domination and subversion.

Quite apart from the fact that freemasonry isn't a secret society, it comes as no surprise to me that you fail to understand the 'point' of masonry, as you are not at this time receptive to its teachings.

The best thing about freemasonary is........................ITS DYING!!!!!
Every where I go I see masonic temple buildings for sale or being rented to hair style salons, odd fellow halls boarded up and crubling from lack of care and vandalization. The majority of members are going to be hanging out at the retirement homes. But look for an increase in Florida & Arizona retirement communities.
They wanted a secular world and well they got it. Masonry's ritualistic nature is a religion whether they admit it or not.
And it's dying faster than Christianity.
Hip hip horay.
Still them masons got a monopoly on the shriner circus.
Them poor elephants incolved in all kinds of sick skull & bones rituals.

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I think I've seen enough posts on here already to know that this thread is headed down the same path as every other like it. You have vague, generalized, anti-mason statements supported by absolutely no evidence whatsoever being repeated over and over again. Occassionally, the voice of reason cries out to these people to try and explain to them what Freemasonry is all about, and yet, to the complete surprise of all, those statements are convieniently ignored. The website posted at the beginning of this thread is in no way an admission of involvement in a scheme of global domination. They admit to conspiracies, but not masonic conspiracy. When you post something as fact that goes against the grain of all evidence that has ever been provided, you had better be prepared to defend your argument from those that are actually educated on the matter. I have no issue with people wishing to bash Freemasonry. Some of the richest and most enlightening arguments I've had have been with people with negative views on the society. The difference, however, was that they were knowledgable enough to provide support for their opinions. I would suggest to any that would make this argument of "Freemasonry is a tool for the NWO" to actually do a bit of research. Otherwise, as was stated earlier, you are just going to end up embarrassing yourself and deflating any future chance of being taken seriously on ATS.

I didn't say that Freemasonry was a tool for the NWO. But with the membership of Elite Masons and all the influencial people in the past goes to show you that Masonry is a corrupt organization. Especially the Shriners. There is all kinds of fowl play coming to light when it comes to the money situation there.

Not every Mason is corrupt I agree. But the ones at the top clearly are and are playing their own game for their own gains. They don't appear to take any of the Masonic beliefs seriously.

[edit on 4-7-2006 by whokilledthekennedys]

Originally posted by whokilledthekennedys
But the ones at the top clearly are and are playing their own game for their own gains. They don't appear to take any of the Masonic beliefs seriously.

Perhaps you could address yourself to my question to you - who are these so-called Elite masons? What information do you present to back up your hypothesis? How did you reach this conclusion?

I would have to agree with Trinityman. What upper members? If you studied the structure of Freemasonry at all before posting on this thread, you would realize that everyone is pretty much equal. Granted, there are certain members that hold specific positions, but they are not "more powerful" than any other member. There are, in actuality, only three different ranks that truly matter- 1st-3rd Degree. The rest are just honorary posititions attained at various points of your membership for time, contribution,...etc. Just because there have been political figures that were Freemasons, does not mean that they are high ranking in the society. In fact, you'll usually find that it is the opposite. Most often they are relatively new to the Freemasons. Either way, what does this all prove? Absolutely nothing. My stepfather and I are members of an electrical union. Does this mean that if I ever become President(not likely) that the electricl union has placed me there as a figure head for a corrupt organization? Seriously, do some research on the basic fundamentals of Freemasons and their history, then come back and discuss how they are corrupt. Some evidence would also be nice.
Here, this should help to at least get you started. There are many other sites that go into greater detail, but we'll work on that later.

Elite Masonry. There is such a thing. Just check out the lodges in Washington, New York and London. These are the lodges of the worlds most influencial people. The Big players. Don't you realize alot of people in the corporation and politics are Masons?

For Example, Clinton is a Mason. He was present at Bildeburg before the Election in 1992. What does that tell you...

Seriously. Put 2 and 2 together. Yes there are regular average Masons but Masonry is also popular among the inner circle. Just look in history to see how many influencial people were Masons. Especially the Rothschilds. It's no different today as History is still in the process of repitition.

Seriously folks. Follow Three things. The money, the Pheonix, and the Pyramid. It's not just a coincidence that the Pheonix and Pyramid symbol makes it's rounds.

Napoleon who was a 33rd used the Pheonix as his emblem. Hitler, Saddam, The Israeli Supreme Court, The Pheonix above the Federal Reserve all do to. Actually Israeli Supreme Court uses the Pyramid that is on the USD.

I always found it funny how Russia's naitonal emblem Twin Headed Pheonix Matches the Masonic Twin Headed Pheonix perfectly.

[edit on 4-7-2006 by whokilledthekennedys]

Originally posted by whokilledthekennedys
Elite Masonry. There is such a thing. Just check out the lodges in Washington, New York and London. These are the lodges of the worlds most influencial people. The Big players. Don't you realize alot of people in the corporation and politics are Masons?

These are the places that people like that live. Does it not make sense that they would attend meetings at a lodge close by? This proves nothing. These members may be something big out in the world, but in the lodge they are just another member. There is no argument to refute this, as there is no posisition of power within the lodge for these "big players", as you call them, to hold.

For Example, Clinton is a Mason. He was present at Bildeburg before the Election in 1992. What does that tell you...

That tells me that Clinton was involved in a meeting designed to extend a closer relationship between the United States and European countries, which is the purpose of that meeting; why it was created in the first place. To say that his involvement in 92 had anything to do with Freemasons would only be a decently valid argument if the rest of the members attending that meeting were members as well, designated as representatives of lodges all over the world. This was not the case. The invitations sent out for those meetings go to those people that are deemed "opinionated" on matters that seem as though they might be beneficial if explored in the future. Clinton was a likely candidate for Presidency, why wouldn't he have been invited? The other attendees could get his views on world matters before he ever took office. There is nothing here whatsoever to link Freemasons to any secret plans for global domination.

Seriously. Put 2 and 2 together. Yes there are regular average Masons but Masonry is also popular among the inner circle. Just look in history to see how many people were Masons. It's no different today as History is still in the process of repitition.

Actually, the people in history that just happened to also be Masons was most likely just coincidence more than anything else. Half of these members that you claim were in seats of power because of their membership were members long before they even thought about political office. Contrary to popular belief, Benjamin Franklin didn't really have much to do with the symbology on the dollar bill, though he was admittedly a Mason. Then there is this issue of it being a "popular" group among politicians. Why not? Membership is open to anyone, and the fundamentals of Freemason society preach an acceptance and understanding. Also, what exactly do you mean by "history is still in the process of repetition?" What is repeating itself? Freemasons in political posistions? So what? There are also Freemasons running hotdog stands, running pipe, and fixing drains. What does it matter that some also happen to be in politics?

Originally posted by whokilledthekennedys
Elite Masonry. There is such a thing. Just check out the lodges in Washington, New York and London. These are the lodges of the worlds most influencial people. The Big players. Don't you realize alot of people in the corporation and politics are Masons?

Who? C'mon... who? Put a name to a lodge. Just one.

For Example, Clinton is a Mason.

Wrong. Clinton is not and never has been a freemason.

Seriously.

Just look in history to see how many influencial people were Masons.

And just how many of them were influencial before they became masons? Got any stats on that?

Especially the Rothschilds.

Please search ATS for the numerous threads on the Rothchilds. I personally investigated Ferdinande de Rothschild and found him to be a freemason very late in life and of no noticable influence within the Craft. What research have you done?

It's no different today as History is still in the process of repitition.

It's no different today as ATS is still in the process of repitition (sic)

Seriously folks.

Follow Three things. The money, the Pheonix, and the Pyramid.

Might as well follow the Yellow Brick Road - it's got about as much to do with freemasonry as those items. (OK - I admit - it does cost a little money)

I always found it funny...

Buddy, you're a hoot. Are you deliberate disinfo or just the comedy turn?

[edit on 4-7-2006 by Trinityman]