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Originally posted by wu kung
It would almost seem that the US is an experiment in social psychology.
See how much the elite can get away with all the while tricking the general populace into begging the gov't to take away our freedoms.
Originally posted by zappafan1
Originally posted by wu kung
Using the word "elite" gives you away.
What does that mean?
Gives what away?
Have you seen the soldiers walking around NYC with machine guns and giant sonic weapons? (last time I was in Penn Station, I counted 30+ heavily armed soldiers, not police officers, actual ARMY soldiers with machine guns), Random searches at airports, train stations and even on the streets on NYC
Have you had your nail clippers confiscated at an airport?
Have you heard about cell phone companies just handing over records of call lists to the gov't?
Are you aware that banks are providing all of our personal info and spending records to the gov't?
Lower income earners being taxed harder than higher income earners.
"Less than 3-1/2 dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires."
The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $29,019 and up in 2003. (The top 1% earned $295,495-plus.)
Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives, and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:
"The top 1% pay over a third, 34.27% of all income taxes. (Up from 2003: 33.71%)
The top 5% pay 54.36% of all income taxes (Up from 2002: 53.80%). The top 10% pay 65.84% (Up from 2002: 65.73%).
The top 25% pay 83.88% (Down from 2002: 83.90%).
The top 50% pay 96.54% (Up from 2002: 96.50%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.46% of all income taxes (Down from 2002: 3.50%).
The top 1% is paying nearly ten times the federal income taxes of the bottom 50%!
And who earns what? The top 1% earns 16.77% of all income (2002: 16.12%).
The top 5% earns 31.18% of all the income (2002: 30.55%).
The top 10% earns 42.36% of all the income (2002: 41.77%);
The top 25% earns 64.86% of all the income (2002: 64.37%) , and the top 50% earns 86.01% (2002: 85.77%) of all the income."
National id cards?
".... (not to mention the food monopoly companies putting all sorts of chemicals into the foods)...."
Cameras everywhere, and even being considered being put into our cars (even the new Macs have built in cameras, you think that they won't be able to be remotely switched on?).
Cell phones that double as tracking devices.
Laws being set into place by corporations and not by the peoples' representitives.
Invading other countries under the guise of "national security" (and if you believe that, I'll sell you the Brooklyn bridge...)
Being told that if you're gay, you can't get married (and yeah, remember, people were actually trying to change the constitution to reflect this).
Drug companies lobbying to BAN (yes, an outright ban) vitamins and supplements because people taking these and getting healty might upset their (toxic) drug-dealing business.
So what freedoms aren't we giving up?
Under no circumstances, do I believe that the state (or anyone else for that matter) should have the right to tell any two consenting adults that they can or can not get married, period.
So, why did we invade? Oil?
And I've seen the random searches. That infringes on the the prevention of unreasonable search and seizure, isn't that a right?
And a bunch of people strutting around with machine guns...
That doesn't make me feel safe. If anything, it scares the hell out of me.
It reflects the idea of a police state (and I know I'm not the only person who feels that way...)
Isn't that against our right to privacy?
Under no circumstances, do I believe that the state (or anyone else for that matter) should have the right to tell any two consenting adults that they can or can not get married, period.
So, why did we invade? Oil?
And I've seen the random searches. That infringes on the the prevention of unreasonable search and seizure, isn't that a right?
And a bunch of people strutting around with machine guns...
That doesn't make me feel safe. If anything, it scares the hell out of me.
It reflects the idea of a police state (and I know I'm not the only person who feels that way...)
Isn't that against our right to privacy?
I know, lobbying has been around for years, that's true, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's right.)
But you still did not answer my question about what you meant by my "giving it away" in reference to the use of the word "elite".
REPLY: Homosexuality is not "normal" in any civilization. The definition of Marriage as being between one man and one woman is defined that way for a reason. If the term "marriage" can mean anything, then it means nothing. Case in point: A woman in France or Germany recently wanted to "marry" her horse.
So, why did we invade? Oil?
REPLY: No!! Ask those 12 million in Iraq who freely voted for the first time in 40 years.
And I've seen the random searches. That infringes on the the prevention of unreasonable search and seizure, isn't that a right?
REPLY: You'd have to refer to your local city and state laws on that.
And a bunch of people strutting around with machine guns...
That doesn't make me feel safe. If anything, it scares the hell out of me.
It reflects the idea of a police state (and I know I'm not the only person who feels that way...)
REPLY: Considering that all of those people are well trained would help me to feel safe. And if they weren't there, and something tragic happened again, how would you feel? Who would be blamed for the in-action? I would guess that the majority of people feel better knowing that action is being taken.
Isn't that against our right to privacy?
REPLY: No. There is no "right to privacy" in the Bill of Rights.
Not "normal"? Oh yeah, right, I forgot...it's a disease, right?
Besides, I thought we were looking for WMDs. Oh wait, that's right...
There were none!
Are you serious? I believe it's the freakin' fourth amendment to the Constitution.
Yeah, trained to kill people. Like another fixed election... Like us being lied to by our gov't?
No, but there are rights alluding to privacy in the Constitution though.
Besides, I thought we were looking for WMDs. Oh wait, that's right...
There were none!
REPLY: This has been covered on other threads. You REALLY need to do some research!
Are you serious? I believe it's the freakin' fourth amendment to the Constitution.
REPLY: Amendment IV (1791) "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects." Do you see the word "Privacy" there anywhere?
Yeah, trained to kill people. Like another fixed election... Like us being lied to by our gov't?
REPLY: No, Trained to disable or kill, depending on the situation.
Geez... this is all old news... OK, I'll bite: The elections were won; what lies?
No, but there are rights alluding to privacy in the Constitution though.
Research? What more needs to be said. It's true, isn't it?
You're twisting my words, the reference to the 4th was specifically for search and siezure, I think you need to pay better attention to others words.
We were lied to about wmd's, right? We were lied to about Sadam's involvment in 9/11, right?