Crowley, what is so bad?

OK so you can't take Crowley seriously because:

A) There is a Picture of this Old British man sitting in a Meditative Position. Oh but wait he has this goofy look on his face - maybe that is because he just experienced Samadhi!
Have you experienced Samadhi?

B) Occultist Crowley is seen in the second picture next to a Book with a Pentacle on it (Oh boy a Spooky Symbol) & with a Hat with a Triangle on it - the Pope wears silly hats too you know -
yeah I can't take the Pope Seriously either!

Have you ever read any of Crowley's writings?

[edit on 4-10-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
OK so you can't take Crowley seriously because:

A) There is a Picture of this Old British man sitting in a Meditative Position. Oh but wait he has this goofy look on his face - maybe that is because he just experienced Samadhi!
Have you experienced Samadhi?

B) Occultist Crowley is seen in the second picture next to a Book with a Pentacle on it (Oh boy a Spooky Symbol) & with a Hat with a Triangle on it - the Pope wears silly hats too you know -
yeah I can't take the Pope Seriously either!

Have you ever read any of Crowley's writings?

[edit on 4-10-2006 by Seraphim_Serpente]

This first picture is Crowley too. www.sotvl.org...
and yes to answer your question, him posing in these ridiculous shots adds to my feeling of the typical intelligent guy who uses his intelligence and imagination to invent a bunch of religious practices/teachings for fame/fortune/recognition (a la L. Ron Hubbard (in my opinion)).

Yes, I have read a few of his writings... enough to get a good chuckle out of. This is simply my opinion of him and I'm entitled to my opinion as much as anyone is good sir. I linked the pictures simply because I thought some people might get a little chuckle out of them

[edit on 4-10-2006 by nybaseball44]

Originally posted by nybaseball44


This first picture is Crowley too. www.sotvl.org...
and yes to answer your question, him posing in these ridiculous shots adds to my feeling of the typical intelligent guy who uses his intelligence and imagination to invent a bunch of religious practices/teachings for fame/fortune/recognition (a la L. Ron Hubbard (in my opinion)).

To be fair, Crowley didn't really invent his religious beliefs and spiritual practices, but learned them while practicing Theravada Buddhism, and, more especially, as an Initiate of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Crowley sought to simplify the Golden Dawn system. Whether or not he was successful is up for debate, but he did not claim originality for his system, and acknowledged his debt to the Rosicrucian fathers.

Originally posted by nybaseball44
This first picture is Crowley too. www.sotvl.org...
and yes to answer your question, him posing in these ridiculous shots adds to my feeling of the typical intelligent guy who uses his intelligence and imagination to invent a bunch of religious practices/teachings for fame/fortune/recognition (a la L. Ron Hubbard (in my opinion)).
Yes, I have read a few of his writings... enough to get a good chuckle out of. This is simply my opinion of him and I'm entitled to my opinion as much as anyone is good sir. I linked the pictures simply because I thought some people might get a little chuckle out of them

It makes very poor logical sense to judge a book by its cover.

Crowley is not only a fascinating figure worthy of attention by scholars of religion, but he is also of profound importance for the understanding of modern Western spirituality and culture as a whole.

This first picture is Crowley too.

Yeah I Know - DUH!

and yes to answer your question, him posing in these ridiculous shots adds to my feeling of the typical intelligent guy who uses his intelligence and imagination to invent a bunch of religious practices/teachings for fame/fortune/recognition (a la L. Ron Hubbard (in my opinion)).

Well obviously you are not an Occultist Nor a Practitioner of Eastern Spirituality/Religion.

But the question remains - did the Formula that Crowley came up with - I call it a Philosophy while others will call it a Religion - Does it Improve & Enhance peoples lives? Does it make them into better people? Stronger people?

Why is it that these Homosapiens from like a 1000 Years ago or even more 2000 or 3000 years ago - how come these people were the only ones qualified to come up with or Invent a Religion? Why couldn't a figure from the 20th Century come up with their own Religion/System? I think that people are mostly upset with Crowley because he had the B*lls/Ability to do so & did!

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

But the question remains - did the Formula that Crowley came up with - I call it a Philosophy while others will call it a Religion - Does it Improve & Enhance peoples lives?

Yeppers

Does it make them into better people? Stronger people?

Yep and yep... But I may be biased

BTW in the first picture Crowley was assuming the God form of Fo-hi, The Chinese god of joy & laughter.

S.A.W. summarized his teaching with the three factors for the revolution of the consciousness, namely: death, birth and sacrifice. It has been taught that sacrifice means sacrifice for humanity, love, giving the teaching to others etc. This is good. Death is the death of the Ego. Birth is the birth of the solar bodies.

There are a few people who summarize the whole teaching as simply being Sacrifice (or Denial). This is because the death and the birth would not exist without it. We are talking about sacrifice as being denying yourself the sexual orgasm. Ego is Desire. The origin of the ego is lust: the desire for the orgasm. Once the orgasm is denied, ego/lust dies. Jesus represented sacrifice nailed to the cross (the cross - symbol for sex).

Everyone loves to orgasm. This is the pleasure that needs to be sacrificed in order to obtain.....what? What is the incentive? Why should we deny ourselves this pleasure? The orgasm is the way of the world, it's natures way. If you want to go beyond this physical reality you need to become spiritual. We are not talking about a ghostly spirit, but a LIQUID spirit.

Matthew 13:31: The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field. Matthew 17:20: Because you have so little faith, I can guarantee this truth: If your faith is the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.

This means, for the more literally inspired, that Jesus must not only have been a carpenter, but also a landscape architect. And for those who have already obtained the what... what have you been trying to tell us?

What did Crowley end up doing? Took lots of drugs and had lots of sex. He fell, basically. Why? Made him feel good. We all want to feel good right? The orgasm feels good. If you want something more than this, then you need to sacrifice this. Trade brief pleasure for lasting ecstasy? Trade life and death for everlasting life? On the journey into eternity, make sure that you take with you - everlasting denial. How many times must you fall in order to be wise enough to sacrifice eternally? How many times do you need to lose what you were in order to have faith in the seed? What incentive is greater than your wildest sexual fantasies come true? Mother Nature is a formidable opponent. Mastery of mother nature, immortality, freedom, supernatural powers, bliss, ecstasy, time travel, space travel, abundance, knowledge, wisdom, peace, eternal youth, love, everlasting beauty, perfect health, happiness, contentment, newness, discovery. These are some of the rewards of sacrificing the orgasm. Have faith and patience.

In the sexual system is where the sacred fire flows. It is up to you. There are some progressing very well into the light kingdoms while many are still addicted and lost in physicality. The beings of the light kingdoms rule the physical world. The sexual fluid is transmuted into light when you refrain from orgasm. There is much knowledge that will never be said. You must receive it intuitively. The Light of Intuition is born from the redirection. Porn is so biased in its direction. It's just going with the flow. Nature's flow. Mother Nature is a formidable opponent. We're telling you to oppose the flow of mother nature. Dominate, control and harness her or that is what mother nature will continue to do to you if you continue to abide by her laws. Her number one law is: Thou shalt orgasm. Thou shalt fill her with the seed. Mother Nature is the Great Harlot whose number is 666, or more precisely: sex, sex, sex. Chaste women are truly godly. "For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication..." Revelation 19:2. Jesus said, "I am the light of the world, my kingdom is not of this world." The Earth is of course multi-dimensional.

Great truth is tucked away, hidden among the threads of the fabric of existence.

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Read the beast demystified,,imo it's the best book on crowley.
XxxX

Crowleys fundamental flaw is "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" or, put another way "love under will".

What he's done is to invert the highest law of love and life, expressed throughout the Bible.

The will must be harnessed under love.

He had it upside down, probably done intentionally as an act of rebellion.

Will under love, or "love, and do as you will" is the appropriate expression of the law of life and love.

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Crowleys fundamental flaw is "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" or, put another way "love under will".

I'm not sure how that could be a flaw. It is the fundamental principle of existence.

The formula od "Do what thou wilt" was not invented by Crowley. It's always been the ultimate truth. He simply popularized it by turning it into a motto of sorts.

The basic occult theory is that each soul possesses a strain of Divine Will, and incarnates for the sole purpose of accomplishing that Will. It therefore becomes the duty of the Lower Self, or "ego", to discover that Will, and follow it. When we do so, we fulfill our reason for existing, and our path becomes light and easy. But when we act in opposition to that Will, we soon get into trouble.

I stand by what I posted.

The will of ego-self is to be disolved by and harnessed to, the higher will, or the will of God, which is to love.

Love and do as you will.

Will under love.

Love God above all, and neighbor as self - this is the highest expression of the law of life and love. The reason? Because existence itself was created out of and by love itself.

Crowley had it upside down with "love under will". We are not God, but are created beings in the image of God. We are under God's will, which is the will to love.

It would appear that he chose that with intention as an act of rebellion against the highest commandment of God. He was a misfit who is not to be admired. Just take one look at the ritual, the black mass, of the OTO and it's plainly evident, that his interest was in offending God as much as possible. Very sad.

[edit on 10-2-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Originally posted by OmegaPoint


Crowley had it upside down with "love under will"...
It would appear that he chose that with intention as an act of rebellion against the highest commandment of God.

Again, Crowley did not "choose" it, he was taught it as all occult initiates are.

I think you're splitting hairs with your reversal of "love under will". Love (Agape) and Will (Thelema) both enumerate to 93. Qabalistically, they therefore have the same occult meaning, so it doesn't really matter how you say it.

Nevertheless, I prefer the traditional "love under will" because it shows the absolute primacy of the Divine Will being expressed by love.

Just take one look at the ritual, the black mass, of the OTO

The O.T.O. doesn't have a "black mass".

No black mass..? Right.

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Tree of life gives life eternal. Tree of the knowledge of good and evil leads to death, since the flesh cannot be justified nor sanctified by works.

We all lose integrity and are all in need of salvation.

"When will you learn how to CRY?!" - Jesus, to the "high priests" of the temple.


[edit on 11-2-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
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That's a Gnostic Mass, not a "black" mass. The Gnostic Mass is the primary ceremony of the Gnostic Catholic Church, the religious body within the O.T.O.

They don't have "black masses".

Well if what they are doing, particularly in relation to the Holy Sacrament doesn't qualify as a "black mass" then I don't know what would.

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Well if what they are doing, particularly in relation to the Holy Sacrament doesn't qualify as a "black mass" then I don't know what would.

What do you mean? They take Sacrament like any other Catholic that I've ever met...

Arguing with close-minded religious inculcates will not advance insight into Crowley: they hate anything that doesn't agree with them; that's what they do: if it doesn't match their tenets, it's 'evil.' So true, also, do they feel about the group down the block from them, who's tenets are slightly variant from their own (fact): they denounce them as blasphemous. You can't learn in a blind-box.

Crowley ended up a victim of his own human weaknesses (like, say, Elvis). Too much of a good thing can bring one to ruin, which is what happened to the promising potential that was Crowley.

And jesu, btw, is impure mythology (of the lowest kind). Crowley tried to convey this to a blinded humanity.

Elvis came to a ruinous end by over-indulgence: it's not questioned as to whether he was a fine singer (by many).

Crowley came to a ruinous end by same: it is still misapprehended how brilliant his Ether -ic awareness was (by most).

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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Well if what they are doing, particularly in relation to the Holy Sacrament doesn't qualify as a "black mass" then I don't know what would.

What do you mean? They take Sacrament like any other Catholic that I've ever met...

Sorry, I meant the Eucharist.

And I considered what Jesus had to say about it in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas I believe it was.

A Eucharist made of or patterned after menstrual blood and ejaculated semen, is a "cake of light" that is all darkness.

I may be the most open minded Christian you would ever encounter, but some lines just have to be drawn.

There is a light of life and a light that is all darkness. In some matters of the spirit, it is wise to be cautious, and wise to admonish and warn sometimes.

I mean come on, have we not learned enough to leave the tree of the knowledge of good and evil well enough alone..?!

For Christ's sake men, give your head a shake and take another look around!

P.S. Regarding faith in Jesus Christ in terms of the stature of man in relation to God, to suggest that it is of the lowest level of self realization or of enlightenment, or is the least pure mythology, is absurd. You simply don't know what you are talking about, and fail to grasp what the Bible is saying about the true nature of man, and his proper standing in the grand scheme of things.

I was a rebel and sceptic of the first order - I know what it's like to go far afield in search of something else, in search of truth and knowledge, I know what it's like to climb the heights and plumb the depths, and if you're not careful you can get #ing LOST, and cross the rubicon, or worst of all, lose your capacity to laugh and to cry as is appropriate.. you don't want to go there. You do not want to lose your salt and light and come to ruin. Instead, build your house on the ROCK of ages, and when the winds blow and the rains come, as they surely do for us all - it will HOLD FIRM!

I don't think many occultists know the first thing about the mighty power and supreme righteousness of the Almighty God, because if they did, they would not try to # with Him, or replace him, or steal from Him. They would not do it. No, they would repent, shed tears and recieve God's grace and mercy, and then they would KNOW, and they would understand how man is designed, of the type of relationship with God that we were designed for, and, last but not least, that Jesus the Christ really was, and still IS God, in all truth and spirit, and in light and love. Man was made to contain God and be in an I-thou relationship with God, but by design, it was known from the beginning of time, that God himself would perform the Magnum Opus and the Great Work of the Ages, and that work was rendered complete at the cross and in resurrection life. And what I am saying here will either make perfect sense to you, or no sense at all, but I hope it's the former.

Best Regards,

OP


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Originally posted by OmegaPoint


A Eucharist made of or patterned after menstrual blood and ejaculated semen, is a "cake of light" that is all darkness.

I may be the most open minded Christian you would ever encounter, but some lines just have to be drawn.

"Cakes of Light" used in the Gnostic mass are just cakes. The Communion using sexual fluids is a private magical operation not used in the public Gnostic Mass.

You may not be aware of this, but this was a practice used by some of the first Christian sects, who were Gnostics. It certainly didn't originate with Crowley or the O.T.O.

Epiphanius writes the following: And the pitiful pair, having made love, then proceed to hold up their blasphemy to heaven, the woman and the man taking the secretion from the male into their own hands and standing looking up to heaven. They hold the impurity in their hands and pray . . and say "We offer you this gift, the body of Christ." And then they consume it, partaking of their shamefulness, and they say: "This is the body of Christ and this is the Pasch for which our bodies suffer." (Panarion, 26.4-5)

According to the Spermo-Gnostic Christians, it's the "orthodox" Christians (Catholics and Protestants) who *really* practice a black mass, because they don't understand it's inner sexual and occult meaning.

The Crowley in my city seems like a nice man. I seen him at city hall a few days ago, respect