The Proof Is In The Core

Thermite and bombs are not likely answers if no one can figure out how they got into the building in the first place.

EXACTLY!
And thats why I have been asking the question of the anyone who will accept the challenge-----no takers yet.

If there is no believable way for the rigging of the bombs/thermite/'cutter charges" to have been placed, the entire controlled demo theory goes down the crapper.

I think that the CTs intuitivly know this and run from the question like a vampire from garlic bread.

Exactly,

They would have us believe that that part of the theory is somehow irrelevant, as if proving that something looks like demolition is proof of anything.

The double standard of evidence is amazing.

They want NIST to model every single second of the collapse and cry coverup when they only show how the collapse initiated.

But when we ask that they give every detail of their theory it is somehow "non-sequiter" or irrelevant, or my favorite, a "dis-info" tactic (haven't seen that one in a while though )

WCIP found a plausible device, even if it does have to be pretty thick and have a couple of pounds of thermite. Does anyone have a plausible method of setting these things, putting bombs on every single floor, and then crashing planes precisely where the thermite was planted?

Originally posted by Vushta

Thermite and bombs are not likely answers if no one can figure out how they got into the building in the first place.

EXACTLY!
And thats why I have been asking the question of the anyone who will accept the challenge-----no takers yet.

If there is no believable way for the rigging of the bombs/thermite/'cutter charges" to have been placed, the entire controlled demo theory goes down the crapper.

I think that the CTs intuitivly know this and run from the question like a vampire from garlic bread.

i eat vampires for breakfast.

marvin bush is your simple answer. nine to five work days for the MAJORITY of the buildings tenants is a little more detailed. a shadow army could have been working the tower for YEARS. go figger that the key suspect is the building's OWNER. do you no think the OWNER of the buildings could not 'covertly' spend as much time, money and manpower as he needed?

because, i think anyone would be displaying a lack of rationality if they 'could not', or more likely 'would not' see this very real possibility.

how much money did silverstien 'win' from the event? how about controlled demolitions inc? or new mexico tech(van romero)?

that's right, BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars.

Billions and billions of dollars? ROTFLMAO, Silverstien isnt even going to get enough money back to rebuild. AND, he has still had to pay over 120 million in rent (a year) to the TA just to maintain his rights to rebuild on the site

a logical way to explain how the core got well above melting point so quickly would point to the possible use on mini hydrogen bombs, check out this quote below that explains what happens to steel when it is exposed to such a reaction:

Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally.

source: members.surfeu.fi...

Steel pillars are turned into dust.
Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods.

Mini hydrogen bombs? I am not sure which individual started posting this one, but they lack practical knowledge of hydrogen bombs. Didnt happen. Distinct lack of EMP effects in the area.

Originally posted by billybob

i eat vampires for breakfast.

marvin bush is your simple answer. nine to five work days for the MAJORITY of the buildings tenants is a little more detailed. a shadow army could have been working the tower for YEARS. go figger that the key suspect is the building's OWNER. do you no think the OWNER of the buildings could not 'covertly' spend as much time, money and manpower as he needed?

because, i think anyone would be displaying a lack of rationality if they 'could not', or more likely 'would not' see this very real possibility.

how much money did silverstien 'win' from the event? how about controlled demolitions inc? or new mexico tech(van romero)?

that's right, BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars.

Marvin Bush is not only a red herring, it another attempt at deflections...numerous deflections. This is what we're talking about. Avoidence of the question.

You can makes claims to eating vampires for breakfast...but that wasn't the point...being a vampire, do you eat garlic for breakfast?


To clarify the question.
..not asking for vague..'when could it have been dones'..or 'could have been secret armies' etc.
The question is HOW was it done with no one noticing?

Think of it like this.

At some undefined time, you're part of the team whose task it is to set the charges.

On the day that the project starts you're standing outside of one of the towers amid all the usual activity. You scan up at the 1330 foot tall building you're going to cause to crumble into "its own footprint".

You walk through the doorway.

What are you wearing?
What are you carrying?
Where are you going?
How are you prepared for security incounters?

When you get to your first 'set' target, what do you do first?

Lets stop there and get some answers to those questions.

Originally posted by Vushta


Marvin Bush is not only a red herring, it another attempt at deflections...numerous deflections. This is what we're talking about. Avoidence of the question.

You can makes claims to eating vampires for breakfast...but that wasn't the point...being a vampire, do you eat garlic for breakfast?


To clarify the question.
..not asking for vague..'when could it have been dones'..or 'could have been secret armies' etc.
The question is HOW was it done with no one noticing?

You walk through the doorway.

What are you wearing?
What are you carrying?
Where are you going?
How are you prepared for security incounters?

When you get to your first 'set' target, what do you do first?

Lets stop there and get some answers to those questions.

look, i've worked security at tower complexes. my 'team' of ten guards for five towers could have LACED those buildings with bombs in one night. if we let a in few trucks full of specialist teams, say a 3AM, and only unlocked doors and disabled alarms for them, it could probably have been done in AN HOUR. towers are MOSTLY EMPTY at night. there are no 'eyes' except for security.

nobody seen how plastique works? you just stick it on. a radio detonator sticks out of it. next.

you call everything a red herring. marvin bush is a key 'point' to keep in the vast 'connect the dots' picture of the 911 cabal.

Originally posted by Vushta
Marvin Bush is not only a red herring, it another attempt at deflections...numerous deflections. This is what we're talking about. Avoidence of the question.

That's no "deflection". Marvin Bush's company ran security on the WTC for years after the '93 bombing.

Did you know that there were logs of all the maintenance work done just before the attacks, and security tapes and everything, but they were all lost after the towers fell?

Now no one has any information on anything in those regards. Who was in there working on what, and when? No one can say anymore. WTC employees have testified to there being construction work, such as "cable upgrades" and etc. prior to 9/11 that would have involved work in the core. Ok? That would be a wonderful time to plant thermite in the building. Your workers don't even have to know what they're doing if you lie to them.

And that's no freaking "deflection" either even though I know you love that word to death. That gives a perfectly reasoning scenario as to how thermite would've been planted within the core of the building. Any other operations in the building would take on a similar tone: a bogus company is hired and given clearance by Bush's company, they come in and do their work, and they leave. Then the logs and tapes are destroyed by the collapses. Perfect crime.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Mini hydrogen bombs? I am not sure which individual started posting this one, but they lack practical knowledge of hydrogen bombs. Didnt happen. Distinct lack of EMP effects in the area.

look a little deeper, firstly it may of been a low emission device and blackouts (possible EMP release) did happen! (Radation was also detected, which was blamed on the DU in the planes)

6) An EMP-type phenomenon blacked out cellular phones at the moment when the first (southern) tower started to 'fall down', at the exact moment when a small thermonuclear bomb was detonated. Even in electronic cameras and videos a strange afterglow was seen in the late phase of the 'collapse' of both of the towers. See Gehue plate 5

home.debitel.net...



[edit on 9-7-2006 by Insolubrious]

I would imagine cell phones were interrupted in that area...SINCE THE REPEATERS WERE ON THE TOWERS. Pretty sure being mounted to a collapsing building might screw up the repeater, but dont quote me on it.

BTW, EMP affects ALL things electronic, unless they are specifically hardened against it. Cell phones, radios, TV cameras, avionics..etc...I dont recall ANY of the video cameras showing ANY signs of EMP. Nor did I see any of the news helicopters have any problems.

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by Vushta


Marvin Bush is not only a red herring, it another attempt at deflections...numerous deflections. This is what we're talking about. Avoidence of the question.

You can makes claims to eating vampires for breakfast...but that wasn't the point...being a vampire, do you eat garlic for breakfast?


To clarify the question.
..not asking for vague..'when could it have been dones'..or 'could have been secret armies' etc.
The question is HOW was it done with no one noticing?

You walk through the doorway.

What are you wearing?
What are you carrying?
Where are you going?
How are you prepared for security incounters?

When you get to your first 'set' target, what do you do first?

Lets stop there and get some answers to those questions.

look, i've worked security at tower complexes. my 'team' of ten guards for five towers could have LACED those buildings with bombs in one night. if we let a in few trucks full of specialist teams, say a 3AM, and only unlocked doors and disabled alarms for them, it could probably have been done in AN HOUR. towers are MOSTLY EMPTY at night. there are no 'eyes' except for security.

nobody seen how plastique works? you just stick it on. a radio detonator sticks out of it. next.

you call everything a red herring. marvin bush is a key 'point' to keep in the vast 'connect the dots' picture of the 911 cabal.

Your post speaks for itself.

Radation was also detected, which was blamed on the DU in the planes

It could have come from numerous other sources, like smoke detectors or exit signs.

I'm starting to think that you guys really can't tell anymore.
Yes, those are deflections
Deflections from what?

Deflections from addressing the question.

Refresher:

1. The question is not..who ran security?(red herring)
2. The question is not...when was it done? (power down didn't happen)
3. The question is not..Were maintenance logs lost?.. (gee..things lost in the rubble..how very odd)
4. The question was not..Were there bogus companies?

The question WAS... How was it done?

Statements like this:

That would be a wonderful time to plant thermite in the building.
Your workers don't even have to know what they're doing if you lie to them.

...show a complete lack of knowledge of what would be involved in a CD.

look, i've worked security at tower complexes. my 'team' of ten guards for five towers could have LACED those buildings with bombs in one night.

Really?
Being a security guard, how would you have dealt with the sudden and prolonged strange activity?

You and your 'team' could have "laced" those buildings in one night?

Good!..Then You're the one to ask.

How could you have done it?
Explain the process from first locating and then accessing the steel members to covering up any evidence.
Thanks.

nobody seen how plastique works? you just stick it on. a radio detonator sticks out of it. next.

uh huh.

Vushta, all of those things are describing to you how it could've been done. Ok? Stop being so damned dense. Everything we've just supplied provides a pretty detailed scenario of HOW it could have been done. We'll never know how it was actually done because, like I said, all the logs and videos were destroyed with the collapses (this neither proves nor disproves a damned thing though). But if it was possible at all, then there's no problem. And I just gave you a scenario that would work fine.

Originally posted by Insolubrious
a logical way to explain how the core got well above melting point so quickly would point to the possible use on mini hydrogen bombs, check out this quote below that explains what happens to steel when it is exposed to such a reaction:

Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally.

source: members.surfeu.fi...

Steel pillars are turned into dust.
Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods.

I think you're joking.

Would that leave a blast pattern on anything? 'prolly not huh?

Originally posted by bsbray11
Vushta, all of those things are describing to you how it could've been done. Ok? Stop being so damned dense. Everything we've just supplied provides a pretty detailed scenario of HOW it could have been done. We'll never know how it was actually done because, like I said, all the logs and videos were destroyed with the collapses (this neither proves nor disproves a damned thing though). But if it was possible at all, then there's no problem. And I just gave you a scenario that would work fine.

It DOES??? How?

Again, you guys are blinking your eyes rapidly and humming hopeing it'll go away.

Those things no more explain the mechanics of the operation than asking someone how to replace the CV joint on your VW and getting answers like.

"Well..you know that Hans Gruber was sales manager at the Wolfsberg plant don't you?"
"Not only that, but I'm sure UPS could get the part to you in 3 days"
"Hey ..I know some guys who could have that joint replaced in 15 mins"

No . I want to know HOW it done...like walk me through the step by step process so I understand whats involved.

Originally posted by Vushta
Really?
Being a security guard, how would you have dealt with the sudden and prolonged strange activity?

You and your 'team' could have "laced" those buildings in one night?

Good!..Then You're the one to ask.

How could you have done it?
Explain the process from first locating and then accessing the steel members to covering up any evidence.
Thanks.

on foot, in one night, starting at the top, i could go into every bathroom, on every floor, and stick something up over the ceiling tile, simply by lifting the corner of a tile. that stuff is just sitting there. there is nothing to unfasten or fasten.
i could run down a 50 storey tower staircase in about eight minutes to say, fifteen minutes(it was a long time ago).
five minutes times 110 storeys
if the device had some kind of, say magnetic clamp, it would be simple to stick it to a structural beam, above the ceiling tile, and below the floor, in about a minute or five(depending on whether there was a natural feature(like a toilet) that you could quickly reach the cieling, or perhaps longer if you are carrying a ladder.

so 110 times five, plus travel time of say, forty minutes, puts one bomb in every bathroom.

okay, and now do it in an elevator shaft, riding on top of an elevator.

that's just one guy.

are all you lie believers COMPLETELY uncreative?