Palestinian Authority, Al-Aksa Brigade, claims chemical capabilities!

For the first time, if it's true, one Palestinian brigade, have a BCW (Biological Chemical Weapon) weapon.
They are threatening Israel with the possibilities of sending a Kassam rocket if Israel invade Gaza Strip. Until now, the Palestinians only had conventional explosives weapons.



This is a weapon escalate between Israel and Palestine. I wonder how the Israelis would react if they are attacked by a BCW weapon? Would they nuke them? That would start a total war in the middle east. The Israelis have always said "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", they would have to use equal weapons at least. And then what?

One thing I have noticed in the past years is that, things that were not possible to have/do 10 or 15 years ago, by small war entities, it's now possible for almost anyone to produce since they have the resources, manpower and the information for doing it, the Internet plays a big role in the last one.



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A nuke attack is really the only legitimate response to being attacked with Bio/Chem weapons. They would probably have to nuke a few refugee camps and government buildings, like the parliament, in retaliation.

they won't nuke them. it's too close. That would be like NY nuking New Jersey (not that it would change jersey much). In the event of a biological or chemical attack against Israel, the Palestinian leadership will try and hide from the inevitable retaliation, in the form of bombs and bombs alone. They will have no public allies, other than Iran and perhaps Syria. Nobody is going to want to side with a nation using these kinds of weapons.

Crakeur is right common what kind of sense do you have to consider and think that Israel would use a nuke?

IMO they wpuld carpet bomb the region of origin, depending if the weapon and/or terrorists who used it are from either Gaza or West Bank. Once the proper region has been determined, I believe they will just carpet bomb anything with a building and try to wipe the slate clean, as well as use up some of their weapons backstock.

A nuke attack, seriously... Do you just not consider at all what that weapon actually brings?

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In a leaflet distributed in the Gaza Strip, the group, which belongs to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah Party, said the weapons were the result of a three-year effort.
www.jpost.com...

As usual the local propagandist neglected to point to the source. Until there is confirmation from the ones supposedly making the claims we should chalk this up as another Zionist False Flag Operation.

Anyone could have printed, and spread paper. Even some of you here!

I am with you malichi...

Lets see this posted by a reputable unbiased source first...

Having a bio or chem weapon in this day and age, would be sufficent reason for a threatened country to preemptively attack...

so i guess the next question is "will Isreal attack due to this so called knowledge?"

time will tell, but if they attack, without a bio or chem response, it will look like a successful preemption...
but then they gotta produce the actual WMD's (we know how much of a pain that is)

OMG- What if israel attacks the supposed storage warehouse location, and uses bio or chem weapons in the attack,to "prove" this attack was needed... while killing palestinians in the worse way possible... (lets all hope not)

I will see what happens... keep the thread updated.

To Malichai: You said "As usual the local propagandist neglected to point to the source. Until there is confirmation from the ones supposedly making the claims we should chalk this up as another Zionist False Flag Operation.

Anyone could have printed, and spread paper. Even some of you here!"

You want the source, it's there, it's KHALED ABU TOAMEH in case you haven't notice, or you were waiting for a source like Reuteurs, CNN, or someother "credible" source?

A little intro on MR.KHALED ABU TOAMEH:

'Khaled Abu Toameh knows all about "the Israeli occupation." He was born in the West Bank city of Tulkarem in 1963, when it was still under Jordanian occupation. Four years later, Tulkarem, along with the rest of Judea, Samaria, the Golan Heights and the Sinai peninsula, changed hands. And much later, in 1994, Tulkarem fell under the quasi-jurisdiction of Yasser Arafat through the grace of the Oslo Accords. But Abu Toameh hasn't led a life of hopelessness and despair. He graduated from Hebrew University in 1986 with a B.A in English literature. Then, after spending some time working for a PLO "newspaper," (pasting together canned announcements sent from Tunis) he became what he calls "a real journalist." He's now the Jerusalem Post's correspondent for "the territories," and he contributes as well to NBC News, US News & World Report and The Jerusalem Report.

He has produced several documentaries on the Palestinians for the BBC and many other networks, including ones that exposed the connection between Arafat and payments to the armed wing of Fatah and the financial corruption within the Palestinian Authority.

Links:
'I dream of a map without Israel'
Khaled Abu Toameh, THE JERUSALEM POST
www.jpost.com...


Telling the Truth about the Palestinians
A briefing by Khaled Abu Toameh
April 27, 2004
www.meforum.org...

Khaled Abu Toameh
- Award Winning Palestinian Journalist
www.standwithus.com...

As it's seems to me he's not a biased tool of zionist propaganda.
Search for yourself, if you don't believe me.


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kassam rocket's hits Sderot this evening; four people wounded.
Those rockets contained only shrapnel.


Start quote:
"Even as IDF forces were massing in large numbers on Gaza's border for a possible ground incursion to rescue kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit, three Kassam rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel Monday evening.
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Two landed in open areas in the western Negev, but the third struck a power pole in Sderot.

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The rocket fire comes as Islamic Jihad claimed to have developed a new longer-range rocket to be used against Israeli targets, Channel 1 reported. The groups said the new "Quds 4" projectile has a range of 20 kilometers, three times longer then the crude Kassam rockets"
Endquote
www.jpost.com...

As it's seems to me he's not a biased tool of zionist propaganda.

Was he the one saying there are chemical weapons? Was he the one threatening?

All we know so far is that there were some flyers.

Who printed them? Was it Israel, or Palestinians?

Originally posted by Malichai

As it's seems to me he's not a biased tool of zionist propaganda.

Was he the one saying there are chemical weapons? Was he the one threatening?

All we know so far is that there were some flyers.

Who printed them? Was it Israel, or Palestinians?

Your answer:

Codes of practice of journalism (with freedom of the press)

"..public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist's credibility."
en.wikipedia.org...

Your answer:

Your answer did not address my question.

Was the author of the article the one who wrote the flyers supposedly found?

Was the author the one who made the threats?

Is there any sort of confirmation from the group that supposedly created the flyers?

Methinks you don't understand the word 'source'.

What is the source other than a piece of paper someone found?

Originally posted by Malichai

Your answer:

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Your answer did not address my question.
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Hey, ask him yourself, this is his e-mail: [email protected]

Does any one know the policy of Isreal on WMD being used against them?
If there policy is to use WMD as a responce then I am sure that is what will be done.
I dont know if this a zionist ploy any more then I know if it is a real threat. But I do feel that if they do have chemical weapons, then sooner or later they will be used. And if Isreal has a policy to use them in return then that will happen.

May we all take some time to be with the ones you love, for we may be on the brink of the next nuke confrontation.

Something else you might want to think about with this topic.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by RedGolem
Does any one know the policy of Isreal on WMD being used against them?
If there policy is to use WMD as a responce then I am sure that is what will be done.
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Israel and WMD: Incentives and Capabilities
www.foa.se...

Excerpt:
"The Israeli strategy to dissuade the Arab states from initiating a war is based on
exploiting the IDF relative superiority in the tactical field and in rapid development of technological platforms. In case deterrence seems to fail, the Israeli defence doctrine put forward pre-emptive strikes in order to neutralize the aggressor’s forces and capabilities with the aim to remove the immediate threat"




Crustas

Originally posted by crustas

Originally posted by RedGolem
Does any one know the policy of Isreal on WMD being used against them?
If there policy is to use WMD as a responce then I am sure that is what will be done.
....

Israel and WMD: Incentives and Capabilities
www.foa.se...

Excerpt:
"The Israeli strategy to dissuade the Arab states from initiating a war is based on
exploiting the IDF relative superiority in the tactical field and in rapid development of technological platforms. In case deterrence seems to fail, the Israeli defence doctrine put forward pre-emptive strikes in order to neutralize the aggressor’s forces and capabilities with the aim to remove the immediate threat"




Crustas

Thanks for link. Although I still have not really found an anser to my question. Although I did find this paragraph interesting.

Israel has not signed the 1972 Biological and Toxic Weapons Conventions (BTWC), nor
has it ever explained the reasons behind its refusal. In fact, Israel has never issued a
public policy statement on BW, and it acts as if it maintains a policy of biological
ambiguity.

New development in the subject, but still is not confirmed if they fired or not a chemical weapon. It could be just a psy ops maneuver towards the israel civilians as a form of pressure.

Gaza militants say fired chemical-tipped warhead
"GAZA (Reuters) - A spokesman for gunmen in the Gaza Strip said they had fired a rocket tipped with a chemical warhead at Israel early on Thursday.
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An Israeli military spokeswoman said the army had not detected that any such rocket was fired, nor was there any report of such a weapon hitting Israel."
today.reuters.com...

Thanks for the up date Crustas.
I will go to the link and see what all it says.

Originally posted by DYepes
Crakeur is right common what kind of sense do you have to consider and think that Israel would use a nuke?

Using WMDs is an escalation in warfare. The only detterent to an enemy using biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons, is the horrorible prospect of having them used to attack yourself.

A nuke attack, seriously... Do you just not consider at all what that weapon actually brings?

Please explain. Hiroshima was hit with a nuke, and so was Nagasaki. People in the rest of Japan didn't drop dead from the fall out, neither will the Israelis if Gaza City, Hebron, Nabulus, or this Toameh's own Tulkarem itself get Nuked.

Malichai
Until there is confirmation from the ones supposedly making the claims

There is no reason why the palestinians can't have such a weapon, and the fact that the Fatah party hasn't said that this is a yehudi plot is quite telling.

Anyone could have printed, and spread paper.

Including palestinian militias armed with chemical weapons.

I agree, its possible that they don't have it. Its also meaningless either way, the only point at whcih this would matter is if the israelis are actually attacked with chemical weapons. And, lets be honest, many people will simply say that is was the mossad that did that.

If there policy is to use WMD as a responce then I am sure that is what will be done.

I doubt that they'd have an openly stated policy as such, it'd be too easy for them to be manipulated then, anyone could set off gas attacks and then the yehudis would have to nuke the palestinians. Its clearly what they should do IF the palestinians actually DO hit the with chemical weapons, but they shouldn't have a law or official policy as such.

Red Golem
Israel has not signed the 1972 Biological and Toxic Weapons Conventions (BTWC), nor
has it ever explained the reasons behind its refusal.

In that case, then if they are hit with chem weapons, they should respond with chem weapons, mustard gas, cyandide gas, blister, nerve, and suffocating agents, on palestinian targets, rather than full fledged Nukes.

crustas
but still is not confirmed if they fired or not a chemical weapon

If there aren't piles of dead jews killed by gassing, then there was no chemical weapon used. If they've merely, say, made a little mustard gas, put it in a bottler, and duct taped it to a rocket, then they don't really have chemical weapons.

Originally posted by Nygdan
If they've merely, say, made a little mustard gas, put it in a bottler, and duct taped it to a rocket, then they don't really have chemical weapons.

Well, if said bottle, duct taped to a rocket contained, say, a little Small Pox, would you then consider it a chemical weapon?