US Government Has Access To Financial Data Of Anyone On The Globe

The New York Times has again revealed a widespread surveillance system of the United States government. This time the surveillance is of global financial data via the international banking co-operative called SWIFT. The US government has been able to search through the vast repository of stored financial data between most of the World's banks. The US Treasury Secretary John Snow defended the program stating that only those suspected of terrorist activity had their records searched.



Now this is personal. Not only is the Bush administration content with abusing the privacy of Americans via its whole scale domestic telephony surveillance, it is now snooping on the financial records of the World.

This means that the United States has access to British, Australia, German, French, Indian, Chinese - any ones - private financial information.

I do not for one moment buy the "we're only targeting terrorists" bullhooey. That is EXACTLY what Americans were told when the phone records surveillance program was uncovered. Then it was found out that systematic records were being kept of all domestic phone calls. Why should we believe that only suspected terrorists are being watched here? If Bush can come on TV and blatantly lie to his own citizens about the extent of the telephony surveillance what should assuage anyone of concerns they are snooping on us all now.

This has got to stop.



[edit on 23/6/2006 by Mirthful Me]

This is not new. The U.S. government has kept tabs on the economies of countries and the finances of corporations around the world since the 70's.

This particular program may stretch back nearly 5 years, but the practice of collecting the data stretches back much further.

JDub

What fun it would be if "we the people" had such access to the spending of our governments

Seriously though, is nothing private anymore. I wonder just who the hell these people think they are. They are there to provide stewardship over the countries affairs and have absolutely no right to pry into the lives of the citizens. Well, I guess they do as they just change or make laws giving them the power and if something is illegal they'll just keep it quiet.
It's not even a party politics thing, they are all the same and put themselves above the rest of us.

I have to say-
"with friends like us, who needs big brother"

I can easily see why the world is starting to hate us...
hate is the expression of dissapointed love... and people used to love us, but hate that our leadership is so damn arrogant to push other countries around.

We say we can attack any country that hides terrorists (but all do)
we say that we can pursue criminals over borders and even use military means to do so
We say we can look at anyones financial data... but yet, for some reason, cant monitor the rampant bribes and influece peddling that festers in our OWN government.

The steps that America has taken, wouldn't be so bad, if we could be trusted to the best motives...
and if we had JFK, or Reagon in the white house, we might not be getting so much resistance from the world, but Bush carries zero respect, and unfortunatly... he represents all of us.
I say, lets do this right...
starting with the politicians, then we go inspect all the expenses of Mossad, then we go to the members of the world bank, then to the WHO, and then to the UN, and then to the heads of states, then to the heads of the major companies... and then to the ....

Ok wait a minute wait a minute. I honestly want to know who here did not realize that they had the full power to do this? Every private Bank is connected to the central bank. If you do enough research you will find that every major central bank is closely connected with a few financial groups associated with the American and British governments. Personally I have never had a bank account in which I did not believe that either my local or supreme government had access. Which is why I never deposit a questionable amount of money if I do not have a way to verify I paid taxes on it Just a little word of advice for you here, because it may become routine within 15-20 years for some kind of automated surveillance program to analyze whether any money deposited has had taxes paid on it.

As of right now though, while they may have the power to snoop into anyones financial records if they have a bank account, this does not mean they do it. You honestly believe there is a system monitoring every bank account on the globe? Seriously doubt it. It honestly does not bother me because I only keep a bank account to make my shopping easier. The only money that goes in there is direct deposit from my job at Wal-Mart, or checks/money orders. I never deposit cash.

Why couldn't they use this sophisticated system to research PROMIS software, Ptek and the money trail from 9/11?

10/6/2001

www.fromthewilderness.com...

Numerous news stories, books and investigative reports, including a September 2000 story in FTW (Vol. III, No.7), spanning nearly two decades, have established that Promis holds unique abilities to track terrorists. The software has also, according to numerous sources including Hamilton, been modified with artificial intelligence and developed in parallel for the world's banking systems to track money movements, stock trades and other financial dealings. Systematics - since purchased by Alltel - an Arkansas financial and technical firm headed by billionaire Jackson Stephens, has often been reported as the primary developer of Promis for financial intelligence use. Systematics through its various evolutions had been a primary supplier of software used in inter-bank and international money transfers for many years. Attorneys who have been connected to Systematics and Promis include Webster Hubbell, Hillary Clinton and the late Vince Foster.

So they already had this ability right after 9/11 yet couldn't stop AQ (as if that's their goal) so why does it matter now?

I accepted the fact that my own government could snoop on my financial records with an appropriate court order and just cause. Personally the United States government can take a flying leap, they have no right to snoop on my records. If they had a problem with me they could request my government look into it, and then my government could apply for a court order.

This situation whereby the United States government can just bypass my own government, our courts and not even inform me is unacceptable. And is not how the system used to always work.

The people who control the world will use their strongest pawn as a front to get whatever information they want. Who really wants to challenge the guy with the biggest suicide vest (nuclear arsenal) from getting what he demands? Apparantly only those on the underground.

I see a picture being painted here. I place selected quotes to illustrate what the picture
looks like.

"The New York Times has again revealed ..."

"Not only is the Bush administration content with abusing ......it is now snooping ..."

"This is not new."

"I wonder just who the hell these people think they are. "

"starting with the politicians, then we go inspect all the expenses of Mossad, then we go to the members of the world bank, then to the WHO,
and then to the UN, and then to the heads of states, then to the heads of the major companies... and then to the ...."

"while they may have the power to snoop into anyones financial records if they have a bank account, this does not mean they do it."
( COMMENT: Was that an attempt to justify the actions of a country at war ? Needs more punch.)

"yet couldn't stop AQ (as if that's their goal)"

"Personally the United States government can take a flying leap, they have no right to snoop on my records."
(COMMENT: In a war, there is an enemy. The enemy is not your friend. Your friends are not your enemies.)

"Who really wants to challenge the guy with the biggest suicide vest (nuclear arsenal) from getting what he demands?"

What's wrong with this picture being painted here? I will quote something from the evening news.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said today: "They were persons who for whatever reason came to view their home country as the enemy."

In a war, the only unacceptable action is TO LOSE.

U guys need to get a life if you worry about this stuff. The government can do any thing they want, get used to it. There not out to screw us over, they need every one to keep this economy going, so they want to protect us. We should never release top seceret stuff. I hope the bomb hits your house if you support releasing this information. If you dont like it get out of the united states, its that simple. I don't mind if the president listens to my phone calls, or tracks my bank account. If your doing nothing wrong why worry, its no biggie. We are being protected, and the united states population backs it in every poll. Why make a big deal out of tracking money transactions, when private companys in the usa do it all the time, do your hw.

[edit on 24-6-2006 by ProjectX1986]

Originally posted by ProjectX1986
I hope the bomb hits your house if you support releasing this information
[edit on 24-6-2006 by ProjectX1986]

and I hope you get cautioned for threatening ats members.

Well as far as I'm concerned, what i get up to with my money, in my non-us ran country is my business. America has no right to know what i am doing without going through the UK home office.

I seriously believe things are starting to get out of hand to be honest.

Team America to the rescue again by the look of it. lol

Originally posted by ProjectX1986
If you dont like it get out of the united states, its that simple.

Gawd I hate that line with a passion. You obviously have no clue whatsoever what it entails to pack up a family and move it out of country, not to mention the finances.
I would love to leave the states. But, being rendered disabled while in the military, and subsequently screwed by the administrative agency that is supposedly here to resolve that lifely outcome, I do not have the resources to do so. It's that simple.

If your doing nothing wrong why worry, its no biggie.

Can you be any more close-minded?

We are being protected

Ah, I see now, you are the gov.

and the united states population backs it in every poll.

Are you on dope? The polls do NOT show that the people back what is happening.

NN

Cheney is pissed off at the media for leaking information about this SWIFT program to the public.



I wonder if this program had something to do with the closing of my US bank account. I was planning to use it to transfer funds from PayPal to a local bank I can withdraw from (because I can't withdraw from PayPal in my country).

It's probably not related, but I'm still a bit upset at the lost opportunity. If I can't withdraw money from PayPal, I'm not selling anything online. Period. [/off topic rant]

How arrogant can this man/admin get? It is offensive that people NOT of the US have been filled in on what happens to their NON US money in NON US banks ....... I've heard it all now.

Jeez

NN

Originally posted by ProjectX1986
U guys need to get a life if you worry about this stuff. The government can do any thing they want, get used to it. There not out to screw us over, they need every one to keep this economy going, so they want to protect us. We should never release top seceret stuff. I hope the bomb hits your house if you support releasing this information. If you dont like it get out of the united states, its that simple. I don't mind if the president listens to my phone calls, or tracks my bank account. If your doing nothing wrong why worry, its no biggie. We are being protected, and the united states population backs it in every poll. Why make a big deal out of tracking money transactions, when private companys in the usa do it all the time, do your hw.

[edit on 24-6-2006 by ProjectX1986]

Dude, what you guys do in your country is fine, as long as it doesn't start affecting me in mine. Even if you truely love corporate facism,as long as it doesn't affect me, each to his own.

But when you come on here, spout that rubbish about "being protected" and "if you don't like it, then geeeet out of our country" hillbilly rubbish, when this does affect ME in MY, that pisses me off.

Your country has no right on earth to snoop into anything in my life without the express permission of my government and courts, which it does not have. I am the one here who can truly say "geeeeeeet out of our country" to your government and any sicophant that supports everything without question.

If there is no worry about having your personal financial data snooped then I suggest that user posts their complete bank statements on this forum for us all to view, or he halts that stunted rhetoric. The same goes for the US Vice President, can he let us all view every transaction made on his private financial accounts. How about his daughter's? If they are doing nothing wrong, they shouldnt mind...right?

To that user that claimed any one that didnt like this policy should leave the United States; im in Australia. Is that far enough for you? That still doesnt stop your beloved administration from prying into all our financial details. This is unacceptable.

The US administration's clandestine snooping is now publically the World's problem.

Originally posted by ProjectX1986
U guys need to get a life if you worry about this stuff. The government can do any thing they want, get used to it. There not out to screw us over, they need every one to keep this economy going, so they want to protect us.

If you dont like it get out of the united states, its that simple. I don't mind if the president listens to my phone calls, or tracks my bank account.

'The Government' can't do anything they want, and I will never get used to it. Why? Well, for One, Bush and his crowd of yipped up farm creatures, aren't my Government, or 'elected' officials. They have absolutely no business snooping through my financial records, or anyone else’s in other nations. For two, the Government are nothing more than public servants. They work for us, or at least they are supposed to. You are confused, and uneducated, on the matters of which you converse.

'If you dont like it get out of the united states, its that simple?'

I'm not in the United States. I never have been. This thread is about your stinking Government sticking its stupid fat nose into the affairs of people in other Nations, where it has no jurisdiction whatsoever. Hence the cunning title 'US Government Has Access to Financial Data of Anyone on the Globe.' Read it if you don't believe me.

It's not like we don't have enough problems with our own filth ridden Governments already. You think we need your #, too? We don't. Blair and his Cabinet of Turds are pulling plenty of their own scams. I'm sure it's the exact same in pretty much every other country.

In summation: You are not welcome in our Financial Affairs, you Yank Maniacs. You have no right, and you are not welcome. Go away, please.

This is really all about the IMF making sure you pay taxes, IMF is in America, IT controls "The special drawing rights" of every central bank in the entire world except "The axis of evil" Afganistan, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, there is on more but I can't remember. Central banks are the stepping stone to central gov'ts that are leading to the NWO.
Use Credit unions, they are not tied into the system. Ask anyone who has banked at a credit union for a number of years and tries to get a loan from a Bank, they have absolutely no credit rating.
Cash your cheques at a check cashing store, pay 3% but pay no taxes. Hide your cash at home or better yet buy gold & silver and burry it in pvc pipes in the ground.
Your investments in the stockmarket are all gonna mysteriously be wiped out in the coming finacial collapse anyways. Kiss you pensions good bye.
Lucifer sucks! International bankers suck, mystery Babylon sucks! oh wait it's not a mystery anymore. Don't serve mammon!

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Why couldn't they use this sophisticated system to research PROMIS software, Ptek and the money trail from 9/11?

10/6/2001

www.fromthewilderness.com...

Numerous news stories, books and investigative reports, including a September 2000 story in FTW (Vol. III, No.7), spanning nearly two decades, have established that Promis holds unique abilities to track terrorists. The software has also, according to numerous sources including Hamilton, been modified with artificial intelligence and developed in parallel for the world's banking systems to track money movements, stock trades and other financial dealings. Systematics - since purchased by Alltel - an Arkansas financial and technical firm headed by billionaire Jackson Stephens, has often been reported as the primary developer of Promis for financial intelligence use. Systematics through its various evolutions had been a primary supplier of software used in inter-bank and international money transfers for many years. Attorneys who have been connected to Systematics and Promis include Webster Hubbell, Hillary Clinton and the late Vince Foster.

So they already had this ability right after 9/11 yet couldn't stop AQ (as if that's their goal) so why does it matter now?

REPLY: Thanks, peeps..... I was going to mention PROMIS software, but it goes further back, to the Clinton Admin., and there are many dead bodies on the path leading to it.