About the Miami seven

Originally posted by Ram
I didn't give you any proof mam.

I know. This is not a one line post.

Hey Zenlover - Can you imagine what happends if these seven from Miami gets the death penalty?
People will go completly mad.
That is one way to start a total caos.

The other is - What side are you on? Im not asking you Zenlover - but that will be what happends later in this history -

What side are you on.

Now all the media have to do - is to make people understand how dangerous 'these kinda' people are to the state.

I say no more -

It might be absurd for some of you to understand or comprehend, but this is what happend in Nazi Germany before the war broke out.
I think this manipulation will continue for some time now - until people accept that idea, and then the mass-arrest could start to happend - but i think they need to put just a little more pepper on the steak, before they can start to really arrest loads of people at ones.

When the FEMA camps will be set in motion - i can't say, nor predict - But the train sure is heading in that direction --->.

What you see on the news at the moment are just the begining small steps to finally divide the Nation into two.
There is an old saying - That i just came to think of - I have no idea who said it first, or where the saying comes from.

"Divide & conquer"

Like your Avatar looks cool

PS: all those strange numbers i found - Was a result of last week prediction discussion - Actually - that prediction came true - But not in a way we thought it would...But it will have the same impact on fear as 911. - this was just 622.

We could say that we might be waiting for the "Reichstag fire"

[edit on 24-6-2006 by Ram]

Originally posted by Ram
Hey Zenlover - Can you imagine what happends if these seven from Miami gets the death penalty?
People will go completly mad.

People will go completely mad, eh? What leads you to that conclusion? I would say that if and when they are tried in a court of law and if they are found guilty by a jury of their peers of attempting to blow anything or anyone up....hmmm...doubtful anyone will go completely mad if they are given the death penalty. I'm not pro death though, but I certainly wouldn't be ready to join in a civil war over it.

The other is - What side are you on? Im not asking you Zenlover - but that will be what happends later in this history -

I didn't realize we were picking sides here. I thought we were here to look at and discuss the information as it is presented and base our conclusions on that information. At first, I thought the whole thing stunk, but now that i'm better informed it really does appear to be what they say it is. But, hey I may be missing something. It wouldn't be the first time and more than likely won't be the last. I'm a bit too logical for my own good sometimes and usually I need a good kick in the rump to see things from a less than logical point of view.

Now all the media have to do - is to make people understand how dangerous 'these kinda' people are to the state.

If they're planning a terror attack, then ummm they are dangerous in my opinion.

It might be absurd for some of you to understand or comprehend, but this is what happend in Nazi Germany before the war broke out.

Yeah well, this isn't Nazi Germany just yet. I think you're being a tad bit overdramatic here.

When the FEMA camps will be set in motion - i can't say, nor predict - But the train sure is heading in that direction --->.

What are you assuming is being set into motion by the FEMA camps? I agree they're chaos, but comparing the situation to Nazi Germany is a tad bit extreme. Mother nature was the cause of that, not some ego maniac dictator.

What you see on the news at the moment are just the begining small steps to finally divide the Nation into two.

Oh I can totally agree that the Nation is being torn in two on an idealistic and political level. But, that would be just as much the citizens faults as our political leaders...another story...another time. I wouldn't assume anyone will be striking up a civil war over it anytime soon though. However, if the extremism that is being promoted on both sides keeps brewing and we as citizens keep playing into it....I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility years down the road.

"Divide & conquer"

I like "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" a bit better as I think that sums up the situation that is going on in the U.S. at this time. If you're suggesting that our government is attempting to divide and conquer the citizens in order to run a dictatorship, ummmm well, I can't say I agree with that. The two political party system has become very extreme and it is a reflection of our society as a whole and it is bringing our country down. But hey we feed it.

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looks cool

Thanks, Nygdan designed it and did a wonderful job.

PS: all those strange numbers i found - Was a result of last week prediction discussion - Actually - that prediction came true - But not in a way we thought it would...But it will have the same impact on fear as 911. - this was just 622.

Well, hun I don't know enough about that to comment. I enjoy reading the predictions, but I don't take them to heart. Do you think it actually came true or it could it have perhaps just been a circumstance that fits with a preconceived notion?

We could say that we might be waiting for the "Reichstag fire"

We could say that, but that wouldn't necessarily make it true.

Have a good afternoon!

Originally posted by syntaxer


However, the father of one of the boys said his son and his friends studied the Christian Bible together in Miami. This group of alleged home grown terrorists also used the name "brother" to associate group members.

Typically used in Christian following...

What gives?

news.yahoo.com...

Relatives described the defendants as deeply religious people who studied the Bible and took classes in Islam. Joseph Phanor, the father of defendant Stanley Grant Phanor, said his son went to classes on Islam with a friend but that he read the Bible at his father's house.

Seems this answers your question.


[edit on 24-6-2006 by deltaboy]

Framing Nuwaubians as “al-Qaeda” Wannabes

This is what I believe the real deal to be. Im undecided on the fate of their leader malachi yourk, but I sense he was set up with trumpted up charges though he may be guilty of a few things. In atlanta he created a compound which was raided and taken by the local goverment. Alot of people that lived omn the compound relocated to miami, new york, etc.

I feel this is in part to stop and destroy groups of concious black youth from growing in strentgh and numbers which is increasing rapidly.

I dont deny that the maimi 7 may be into something over there heads but IO think this is an extension of the destruction of the nuwaubian movement which is based on ancient knowlegde, conspiricy, etc alot of great stuff but mixed in with a personal agenda and black conciousness.

As a young black guy I can tell you these 7 have the classic nuwaubian look, I didnt see anything that said islam what so ever.

cointelpro back in effect

Originally posted by syntaxer
It seems he's either the prime target,

I think it ignores some pretty basic facets of reality to say that what the WTC and the Sears Tower have most glaringly in common is Larry Silverstein. They're landmarks, thats why they've been targetted, not because of Larry Silver. If the Seas of David member that CNN interviewed is any indication, I don't think those guys even know who Larry Silverstein is.

Originally posted by Ram
Can you imagine what happends if these seven from Miami gets the death penalty?

That's rather silly. Why on earth would they?
The laws that they broke don't have the death penalty
as punishments attached to them.

Originally posted by magnondon
Framing Nuwaubians ...

Reread Digital Zombie's post. These guys weren't 'framed'.
THEY got themselves into trouble. THEY went looking for
help to make their terrorist plans reality.

They aren't (or weren't) Islamic. So what? They still
engaged in terror planning and had actively sought to
make their plans happen.

They are dangerous. I am glad to see that our
law enforcement was able to stop them before
any of the people, that they had targeted for a
terrorist hit, died.

Also, these guys weren't nuwabians, such that we have seen. They're teh Seas of David, they, according to one member (in paraphrase) 'worship Allah, BUT revere the 'regular' bible", they seem to consider themselves a bible study group of sorts, and the warehouse that they were arrested at appears to be considered a Temple by them.

You are just repeating, what they tell you in the news...
Why don't you just record it all, and write it down - Copy/paste it here..LOL*
Good job.

I agree - yes i totally agree.

[edit on 24-6-2006 by Ram]

I think they only wanted to contact Al-Qaeida to either
(A) set them up, and take them down so they can get credit for fighting terrorists, yet it backfired, or
(B)Steal all the things they were asking for, and then do the Extremist terrorists wrong just for profit.

They can use either one as their defense to at least try and get rid of the terrorism charges.

If they were found in a Masonic lodge, I think it should only be logical that we now raid EVERY Masonic lodge in the country and maybe the world and find out just what the hell those #ers are actually doing that requires such secrecy about their group. We can finally use this to expose a secret society and make every activity they are involved in completely transparent to the public.

How does that justify raiding every lodge? American citizens have a right to privacy, we should not give up that right entirely because of this, any more than we should be raiding every single mosque or non-pro-government organization out there.

all Im sayin is these guys dont seem to be muslim, for one most black muslims are either in the NOI or are orthadox, neither is really into the jihad thing cuz they still are american with american problems and the orthadox are really peaceful people. Ok Sea of david basically an ofshoot that includes islam and christ. and yes they did get them selves into trouble but alot of people talk the talk which I think is what they where doing I doubt if they had intention to go through with anything but hey we dont know anything for sure

Originally posted by DYepes

If they were found in a Masonic lodge, I think it should only be logical that we now raid EVERY Masonic lodge in the country and maybe the world

I really wouldn't consider that the logical thing to do. Now that's extremism at its best!

Originally posted by Nygdan
How does that justify raiding every lodge? American citizens have a right to privacy, we should not give up that right entirely because of this, any more than we should be raiding every single mosque or non-pro-government organization out there.

Hey mate - If the Masonic's are involved in the terror plot.. Why not? What is the problem in that?
And by the way - Police don't need an search warrent anymore to break into - umm - what did you write - into homes that have a right to privacy. You know this plot was suppose to be like 911 - i think thats pretty bad.

What should be the problem - if the Masonic's is involved - i think you should all just freaking panic by now.. LOL* Cause they are everywhere dude - even you could be one of them you know - We never know. It's kinda scary thought..

cheers

[edit on 24-6-2006 by Ram]

Originally posted by zenlover28quote1:
I really wouldn't consider that the logical thing to do. Now that's extremism at its best!

Divide

quote2:I didn't realize we were picking sides here.

I know this might be far out zenlover28 - But we could say that you have just pointed out your first extremist... Yea let's put him in jail..!!! Or trail whatever..
Or to make a reminder of the Nazi's again- You just pointed out your first jew.. Mate! This is how it works - Let this be a warning to all of you - WAKE UP! (uuhm - how do i make big letters? Damn..)

quote3:I enjoy reading the predictions, but I don't take them to heart.

Yea i see what you mean.

Now do you understand what i meant by this?

Originally Posted by Ram
I can see it - and i know what they have done.
I can't say it, cause it could start a civil war in America.

[edit on 24-6-2006 by Ram]

No forget that!! These Masons are hiding all kinds of secrets, and now they support terrorism! I for one would fully support the crackdown on this secret society, and any politician willing to take it on will have my vote!

It sux to be generalized now does it not? Maybe now Masons will understand how Muslims across the world have been feeling for the past several years. It is time to single out a new enemy in the war on terror, and I think the Masons fit that bill just fine.

Originally posted by Ram

Divide

Yep that basically sums up the extreme left and right. But, I'm not sure that is what is going on here, hun. The only people that i've seen suggest that we should crack down on all Masonic Lodges are right here. So, whose attempting to divide again?

I know this might be far out zenlover28 - But we could say that you have just pointed out your first extremist... Yea let's put him in jail..!!! Or trail whatever..
Or to make a reminder of the Nazi's again- You just pointed out your first jew.. Mate! This is how it works - Let this be a warning to all of you - WAKE UP!

Hun this country is full of extremists. It's a state of mind in this country anymore. I don't think the point of this terror raid was because they were extremists. I believe it was because they were busted attempting to gain financial assistance in blowing things up.

Now do you understand what i meant by this?

No, i'm sorry I don't. Maybe i'm just mentally challenged, but I don't see it at all.


DYepes...could this not just be an isolated incident with someone related to a terrorist group infiltrating a Masonic Lodge? Perhaps it was a way to keep their cover by blending into society? There are other ways to look at it, you know?

There is many people who knows about the Masons - and the entire pyramid of Grand master what ever they call themselves.

You think the story is exactly as they say in the news - I know you might know - and i believe you know that not everything can possibly get into the news, I would suggest you educate yourself about your country - and you will find the stories about this planets past very simpel - You can first use Google Video to search for topic's you would like to know more about.
The story about Illuminati and Skull & Bones Masons ect - are terrifying. And there is the Bilderbergers... You should Learn about the People who rule this planet. About your leaders - and what kind of people they are.

If you don't have any idea what im writing about - I understand that you don't understand that this could lead to Civil war, and or Riots.. just one year ago - i knew absolutly nothing about that topic what so ever...

Anyway - I once researched Ufo's... And dare i tell you where my research ended? Masons.. Vatican in Rome - and what have you... I can say - I wish i never took that RED pill - I should have taken the Blue one.

DYepes...could this not just be an isolated incident with someone related to a terrorist group infiltrating a Masonic Lodge? Perhaps it was a way to keep their cover by blending into society? There are other ways to look at it, you know?

This is not a question for me - but yes Zenlover28 - you could be absolutly correct in that statement. I agree.

You could make a choice - If you want to know what this is all about... Educate yourself. But there is alot of crap out there - so step carefully if you make a choice.
If you have allready made up your mind - so be it.

I think i was wrong - I think you took it to your heart - And that should be respected by everyone. Nomatter what color or side we are on - We all have a right to know the truth in our short lifetimes.


[edit on 24-6-2006 by Ram]

Well lets see Bin laden was accused of masterminding the 9/11 plot which was carried out by Saudis, and now a lot of people target Muslims and have pretty much launched a campeign against Islam specifically for the past several years. I just wonder why the only crimes Bin Laden is accused of on the FBI wanted list is the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania without even mentioning the first or second World Trade center attacks.

USAMA BIN LADEN

That was a single attack by an Islamic extremist, but thanks to a great propoganda campeign have convinced many Americans and Westerners in the world to support a war that can only be described as a war against Islam.

So yes I believe one isolated incident involving Masons could very well involve the whole society since many westerners now believe anything Islam involves the takeover of the world and death to all infidels as well as the source of all terrorism.

Lets clean up house people, minuteman project against the Masons time!

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