Information on Freemasons

ying-yang,

If you don't mind me asking a real Mason, why is it that so many Presidents are supposed to be Freemasons? And if this is in fact true, what are your thoughts on this relationship as well as the tie in with royal bloodlines? In advance, I would love to speak with you in more detail about Freemasonry, and I'll never mean any disrespect to you. I had a pretty good friend who built knowledge with me on a regular basis, but in this world an answer is usually just a doorway to another question.

Of course, on a masonic board, you won't have a call for complete and open investigations into masonic lodges that have peopel that commit crimes.

There is a mason, in england, who is invovled in a pedophiliac sex ring. The police have caught a few of them, but there is at least one that the other members who were caught said is out there, but they won't give him up.

You won't see pressure from the masonic lodges for the organization to find out who that is.

I have a question for you Forefather. Do the Masons have any connection to the Gileadites? Seeing as they use the word Shiboleth for their second degree password. here is a link about it on Wkipedia en.wikipedia.org...

The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan leading to Ephraim, and whenever a survivour of Ephraim said, "Let me go over," the men of Gilead asked him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he replied, "No," they said, "All right, say 'Shibboleth'." If he said, "Sibboleth," because he could not pronounce the word correctly, they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites were killed at that time." (Judges 12:5-6

Originally posted by Cerebral Souldier
why is it that so many Presidents are supposed to be Freemasons?

Fifteen Presidents of the United States have been Masons.

1. George Washington (Fredericksburg Lodge No. 4, Fredericksburg, VA)

2. James Monroe (Williamsburg Lodge No. 6, Williamsburg, VA)

3. Andrew Jackson (Harmony Lodge No. 1, Nashville, TN)

4. James Knox Polk (Columbia Lodge No. 31, Columbia, TN)

5. James Buchanan (Lancaster Lodge No. 43, Lancaster, VA)

6. Andrew Johnson (Greenville Lodge No. 119, Greenville, TN)

7. James Garfield (Columbus Lodge No. 30, Columbus, OH)

8. William McKinley (Hiram Lodge No. 21, Lancaster, VA)

9. Theodore Roosevelt (Matinecock Lodge No. 106, Oyster Bay, NY)

10. William Howard Taft (Made at sight in Columbus, OH in an occasional Lodge)

11. Warren Harding (Marion Lodge No. 70, Marion, OH)

12. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Holland Lodge No. 8, New York, NY)

13. Harry S. Truman (Belton Lodge No. 450, Belton, MI)

14. Gerald R. Ford (Malta Lodge No. 465, Grand Rapids, Mich.)

15. Lyndon B. Johnson was an Entered Apprentice only, having received the First Degree in Johnson City Lodge No. 561, Johnson City, TX.

Of these the highest ranking Masons were Andrew Jackson and Harry S. Truman, who had served as Grand Master of Tennessee and Grand Master of Missouri, respectively. Also, two Presidents have been 33° Scottish Rite Masons: Harry S. Truman and Gerald R. Ford.

Contrary to popular belief, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush have never been Masons.





[edit on 23-6-2006 by Masonic Light]

Originally posted by Nygdan
Of course, on a masonic board, you won't have a call for complete and open investigations into masonic lodges that have peopel that commit crimes.

There is a mason, in england, who is invovled in a pedophiliac sex ring. The police have caught a few of them, but there is at least one that the other members who were caught said is out there, but they won't give him up.

You won't see pressure from the masonic lodges for the organization to find out who that is.

Actually, that's not true. You will. Visit one or two and you see that freemasons are just as furious as the general public about masons behaving badly. The general consensus is that wrongdoers should be ejected from the society and it is a freemasons duty as a mason and a citizen to see that they are brought to justice.

We are, quite literally, obliged to do no less.

(Edit: addition)

[edit on 23-6-2006 by Trinityman]

Originally posted by yin_yang
if you want real info about masonry, this is the wrong place for you. you should check out a Masonic message board, free of the flaming and lies about us.

Actually I suggest you stay around here, you can learn a lot on this board. I myself am very interested in masonry and have learnt a lot from reading posts by masons on ATS.

I once went on a quest for a good Masonic board when there was a crackdown on non-conspiratorial Masonic post in this forum, (thread got locked) and I was unable to find one as welcoming as ATS.

Masonic boards have many of their forums restricted or “tiled” to non-masons. (or if you don’t hold that degree) Others have essential keywords censored, which I understand they would need to, but not very exciting for non-masons. In short stick with ATS, you can find out all angles of masonry as Nygdan has pointed earlier. It’s a good middle ground between freemasonrywatch.com and masonicinfo.com. (with plenty of links to both)

Of course if any masons could suggest a good Masonic board where an atheist conspiracy nut such as myself would be welcome, please do so. (post, u2u)



[edit on 23/6/06 by ConspiracyNut23]

dammit masonic light beat me to it. there are some masonic boards that have sections for non members...where you are free to ask questions you may have about masonry. theres a reason certain sections are tiled from non masons. but usually theyll have a general section for you.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Of course, on a masonic board, you won't have a call for complete and open investigations into masonic lodges that have peopel that commit crimes.

There is a mason, in england, who is invovled in a pedophiliac sex ring. The police have caught a few of them, but there is at least one that the other members who were caught said is out there, but they won't give him up.

You won't see pressure from the masonic lodges for the organization to find out who that is.

If a member of my lodge was involved in something like this, they would be turned over to the cops and expelled from the lodge. This idea that those in the lodge have knowledge of such atrocity and are covering for this is sickening and probably unwarranted. Their entire lodge would lose its charter, no Freemason would call them friend. I do not believe that a lodge is covering for this fugitive.

Originally posted by Cerebral Souldier
ying-yang,

If you don't mind me asking a real Mason, why is it that so many Presidents are supposed to be Freemasons? And if this is in fact true, what are your thoughts on this relationship as well as the tie in with royal bloodlines?

How many are supposed to be Freemasons... The actual number will surprise you considering how many of the founders of the nation were Freemasons...

Here is a list of people that were Freemasons that were President:

George Washington
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
James Polk
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
James Garfield
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
Howard Taft
Warren Harding
Franklin Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Gerald Ford

Out of 42 there really are not that many, and very few modern ones specifically. The ones at the beginning were from a time when nearly every man was a Freemason. As for the question of Royal Bloodlines becoming Freemasons... The Freemasons have been persecuted under certain rules, they therefore seek to bring the rulers into the fraternity if they can in order to be assured of freedom rather than persecution.

In advance, I would love to speak with you in more detail about Freemasonry, and I'll never mean any disrespect to you. I had a pretty good friend who built knowledge with me on a regular basis, but in this world an answer is usually just a doorway to another question.

No Freemason would fear speaking on Freemasonry with somebody who honestly sought information.

Originally posted by No1tovote4
If a member of my lodge was involved in something like this, they would be turned over to the cops and expelled from the lodge. This idea that those in the lodge have knowledge of such atrocity and are covering for this is sickening and probably unwarranted.

As I understand it, the brother in question is as yet unknown, has not been formally accused, and has not been found guilty in a court of law.

While I believe that a brother doing such things should be stripped of the title, I'd also like to think that a lodge would value 'innocent until proven guilty' above 'save PR face with the media'.

Originally posted by No1tovote4

Originally posted by Cerebral Souldier
ying-yang,

If you don't mind me asking a real Mason, why is it that so many Presidents are supposed to be Freemasons? And if this is in fact true, what are your thoughts on this relationship as well as the tie in with royal bloodlines?

How many are supposed to be Freemasons... The actual number will surprise you considering how many of the founders of the nation were Freemasons...

Here is a list of people that were Freemasons that were President:

George Washington
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
James Polk
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
James Garfield
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
Howard Taft
Warren Harding
Franklin Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Gerald Ford

Out of 42 there really are not that many, and very few modern ones specifically. The ones at the beginning were from a time when nearly every man was a Freemason. As for the question of Royal Bloodlines becoming Freemasons... The Freemasons have been persecuted under certain rules, they therefore seek to bring the rulers into the fraternity if they can in order to be assured of freedom rather than persecution.

In advance, I would love to speak with you in more detail about Freemasonry, and I'll never mean any disrespect to you. I had a pretty good friend who built knowledge with me on a regular basis, but in this world an answer is usually just a doorway to another question.

No Freemason would fear speaking on Freemasonry with somebody who honestly sought information.

As soon as truman took over for JFK that is when JFK's speech really made sensehere is his speech about secret societies taking over the USA

Harry Truman infiltraited the fedral reserve which is now run by that shady IMF organization also installed by secret societies like the freemasons.
Look at all the symbolism on the federal reserves logo on the USA currency it is total proof and if you are one to disregard it its just because your to simple to understand but thats ok Understanding come with time and patience.


he has also been heard saying
"The high office of president has been used to forment a plot against the American people. Before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of this plight". Ten days later he was assassinated.
he made this speech at Columbia University on 11/12/1963

but all records of this have been abolished by the perpetrator's



Also look at how those curupt people in power used drugs and weapons to create chaos in the USA and Canada back in the days of Jack ruby and JFK fidal Castro.
Choas is their way of creating order over the mass population and it has worked quite well to this day and time.
Cities are currupted by power hungry people with secret agendas passed on to them by their daddies and there family origins.

George walker bush jr and also senior may not be Freemasons but they are something worse they are members of an organization called the skull and bones. ( in your encyclopedia on freemasonry look up the word Bones "Boneh" it means Builder the word Skull is defined as mortal) therefore George walker and john kerry are mortal builders of the ancient order of death wich is also a secret society but these so called leaders Claim They are christians and God abiding citizen's of the holy book and use the power of God in their speeches Etc. which is total Decieptful B.S. How can you worship God and Moloch at the same time.

These people specialize in Brainwashing individuals, they know how to control minds from the time that they are prematurely born. They are skilled to dissasociate a mind's thought process on a MK ultra level.
They are corrupted by power, they enjoy wreaking havok on a mans spirit and mind, they get 0 satisfaction from death death is a escape and they know this they also know life is a continues cycle that is and always will be in a continues state.
Hardship of others and metal abuse is power to these kinda people.

And you can see this on a global scale ever since The UN was installed The UN is Controlled by the IMF incase you didnt know this.



And why can't a person that has lived known, studied and fed freemasons be able to voice an opinion on the subject without gettng belittled by the true FreeMasons?

[edit on 25-6-2006 by seridium]

[edit on 25-6-2006 by seridium]

Originally posted by seridium
As soon as truman took over for JFK that is when JFK's speech really made sensehere is his speech about secret societies taking over the USA

Harry Truman took over for JFK????? Oh and JFK is talking about communists in that speech. Secret society = the U.S.S.R. he is comparing our freedom of the press vrs the U.S.S.R. lack of the same.

And if JFK thought that secret societies were taking over the US why was he a member of one? (The Knights of Columbus)

[edit on 6/25/2006 by Cug]

Originally posted by seridium
As soon as truman took over for JFK

Uhm seridium, President Truman was BEFORE President Kennedy. He was the Thirty-Third U.S. President. Kennedy was the Thirty-Fifth.

Originally posted by seridium

As soon as truman took over for JFK that is when JFK's speech really made sensehere is his speech about secret societies taking over the USA

Um Truman didn't take over for JFK, he was President after Roosevelt... LBJ took over for JFK.

Harry Truman infiltraited the fedral reserve which is now run by that shady IMF organization also installed by secret societies like the freemasons.
Look at all the symbolism on the federal reserves logo on the USA currency it is total proof and if you are one to disregard it its just because your to simple to understand but thats ok Understanding come with time and patience.

Where have I disregarded this? You are pointing at the wrong pink elephant... Anyway, the Freemasons simply don't have that kind of power and haven't since the Anti-Masons in the 1800s... There is also little evidence that they ever excercised such power before that time.

he has also been heard saying
"The high office of president has been used to forment a plot against the American people. Before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of this plight". Ten days later he was assassinated.
he made this speech at Columbia University on 11/12/1963

but all records of this have been abolished by the perpetrator's

Convenient for the conspiracy theorist is that people will believe whatever you say if you just add "all records have been destroyed" and blame whatever group is unpopular at the time...

Also look at how those curupt people in power used drugs and weapons to create chaos in the USA and Canada back in the days of Jack ruby and JFK fidal Castro.
Choas is their way of creating order over the mass population and it has worked quite well to this day and time.
Cities are currupted by power hungry people with secret agendas passed on to them by their daddies and there family origins.

Family legacies often do breed corruption, but not so much "secret agendas" as the draw of power keeps them going.

George walker bush jr and also senior may not be Freemasons but they are something worse they are members of an organization called the skull and bones. ( in your encyclopedia on freemasonry look up the word Bones "Boneh" it means Builder the word Skull is defined as mortal) therefore George walker and john kerry are mortal builders of the ancient order of death wich is also a secret society but these so called leaders Claim They are christians and God abiding citizen's of the holy book and use the power of God in their speeches Etc. which is total Decieptful B.S. How can you worship God and Moloch at the same time.

These people specialize in Brainwashing individuals, they know how to control minds from the time that they are prematurely born. They are skilled to dissasociate a mind's thought process on a MK ultra level.
They are corrupted by power, they enjoy wreaking havok on a mans spirit and mind, they get 0 satisfaction from death death is a escape and they know this they also know life is a continues cycle that is and always will be in a continues state.
Hardship of others and metal abuse is power to these kinda people.

And you can see this on a global scale ever since The UN was installed The UN is Controlled by the IMF incase you didnt know this.



And why can't a person that has lived known, studied and fed freemasons be able to voice an opinion on the subject without gettng belittled by the true FreeMasons?

[edit on 25-6-2006 by seridium]

[edit on 25-6-2006 by seridium]

I have never stated anything that suggested that nobody but a Freemason could say anything about them, this is a strawman argument. It is easy to burn a strawman, but it certainly isn't something that I have stated.

I have, however, often suggested meeting actual Freemasons before trashing the whole of the Fraternity based on supposition and only "evidence" from sites of people that wish to debase people who may be Freemasons. If you spent time with a person who is actually a Freemason I think much of your fears would be dispelled, and they really would if you actually watched them enter on a meeting night and felt the aura of old men that largely make up the current fraternity.

There are many on this site who are not Freemasons, have studied them, and can answer many questions that I would respect. Some have even spoke in this thread. There are others whose "studies" are clearly centered only on what they want to hear rather than in actual fact-finding....

I have given some thought to joining the Masons, as there is a big lodge building just down the street. At the very least, it wouldn't kill me to go in and have a look around. Seems like a good way to gain a bunch of power, if everything about them is true.

Unfortunately, I think that would be a dead end...everything in this area seems to be controlled by the Chamber of Commerce.

Originally posted by No1tovote4
no Freemason would call them friend. I do not believe that a lodge is covering for this fugitive.

I doubt that they know who it is and are specifically covering for him too, but they haven't conducted any internal investigation nor seemed to have given any help to the police in the matter. They also claim that its easy to verify who is a mason and the like, but they certainly haven't responded to my simple questions as to what lodge the captured mason belonged to.

The Freemasons have been persecuted under certain rules, they therefore seek to bring the rulers into the fraternity if they can in order to be assured of freedom rather than persecution.

Also, in the old days, it was wholly illegal for people to meet one another, or meet as groups. You had to get special permision from the local tyrant/dictator/sovreign in order to do so, that is why masonry in particular has Charters, you had to apply to the king for expressly written permission to have a meeting, and explain what the purpose was, what was going to be talked about, etc. The kings and princes would naturally have to become patrons of the groups and members.
The Carbonari hold a similar myth. They claim that they were formed out of the coalburning associations. THe deal was, that no one was allowed to leave the walled towns without the permision of the local heavies. The peolpe that would collect firewood and the like for burning into charcoal and whathaveyou, the "carbonari", were the ones that had just such permission. So the frat is organized as such, the men are carbonari, they meet, not in a lodge, but in 'the forest', which is simply their name for a lodge. Their rites tell their stories and its steeped in the technical language of that old profession.

trinityman
general consensus is that wrongdoers should be ejected from the society and it is a freemasons duty as a mason and a citizen to see that they are brought to justice.

Not for nothing, but i've sent out emails to a bunch of lodges for various reasons like this, and never received even an aknowledgement. Now, I know that I'm not owed one or something, but you'd think, if the org was really as open as its stated sometimes, that there'd be at least one success on the matter.

I think that the child pedophilia ring is the most egregious example, they should be falling over backwards to adress it.

Hobbes
As I understand it, the brother in question is as yet unknown, has not been formally accused, and has not been found guilty in a court of law.

Thats because, as you point out, he isn't even known. One of the masons that was a patron of the child sex ring has stated that he had an accomplice who was also a mason. The north wales masonry associations won't even answer questions about it. I get the feeling that they aren't doing anything at all about it in fact, and just carrying along as usual, probably scoffing at the idea itself as 'anti-masonic propaganda and paranoia"

Cug
Harry Truman took over for JFK?????

There really isn't much to say after that eh?

And if JFK thought that secret societies were taking over the US why was he a member of one?

Well, yeah, there is that!

Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by Andrew14rp
But do the freemasons have a god then or are they atheists?

Yes, freemasons believe in God (in fact they have to), but not necessarily the same one as each other. I, for example, am a Christian.

Trinity -Are you saying that you are a mason and a christian ?

Originally posted by Vaportrails

Originally posted by Trinityman
I, for example, am a Christian.

Trinity -Are you saying that you are a mason and a christian ?

Cripes! What gave me away?

They also claim that its easy to verify who is a mason and the like, but they certainly haven't responded to my simple questions as to what lodge the captured mason belonged to.

Firstly, Just who the **** are you? If you have no OFFICIAL capacity for requesting this information I wouldnt give it or for that matter the time of day to you either.

Secondly if as it appears this (or any other situationlike it) is an on going investigation) and that means until a verdict has been rendered, Unless you
have an official

need to know

. Any information that was given to you
could and in all likelyhood would be prejudicial to the case.

So until you provide the following information you have no right to any information.

1. What is your Official capacity?

2. What is your official

NEED TO KNOW?

Originally posted by stalkingwolf
If you have no OFFICIAL capacity for requesting this information I wouldnt give it or for that matter the time of day to you either.

Fair enough, but then masonry can't claim that its easy to find out what lodge a person belongs too. Its claimed that the organization is just a 'society with secrets'. If there si no way to find out who is in what lodge, then thats untrue, its an out and out secret society. I have seen many times in this forum where its been stated that this kind of information should be easily attainable. Its not.
Obviously, they don't have to tell me crap. But there is sometimes an impression that they are open, when, infact, its not true.

could and in all likelyhood would be prejudicial to the case.

THe sorts of things that I asked were 'Mr. X has been arrested for pedophilia, to which lodge did he belong" "Is there an internatl investigation" "has you 'branch' received directives on how to deal with these sorts of questions, have you been told to cooperate fully, etc', and the like. Not 'When are you evil masonariests going to flambe this unamed and unknown member, you damned reptiloids."

So until you provide the following information you have no right to any information.

I make no claim at having a right to any such information. They're a private secret society and have every right in the world to be as such.