Martians

Originally posted by MrPenny
I guess johnlear can sign off now. StellarX obviously have this topic well covered. I think.

But I've not even posted any sourced material! Don't go jumping to conclusions before someone tries to dispute what i have said so far!

StellarX, I won't dispute the possibility of standing water, methane emissions, higher than realized atmospheric pressure, etc, etc,.....

And that was, IMO , a wise decision.

but you cannot show me a single item of evidence that supports the theory that intelligent beings are now living, or have ever lived on Mars.

Well i guess the only thing i will try prove for now is that someone staid there long enough to construct at least a few cities and large structures...

Tom Van Flandern says that every study group he heard from said that the Cydonia region were artificial.

www.metaresearch.org...

If you do not know why i think his opinion should be carefully considered check out his Bio....

In fact, there is nothing but hypothesis that microbes are existing on Mars.

The very first test for life on Mars was positive and the instrument which disputed that test could not subsequently find life in Antarctica either. With what we know so far the evidence is very strongly in favour of current life on Mars and until they do better that's where we stand.

Another find in the two decades-plus Viking treasure-trove of data was outlined by Joe Miller, associate professor in the Department of Cell and Neurobiology at the Keck School of Medicine of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.
Miller has recently reviewed the Viking LR data in great detail.

"To my surprise, in their LR experiment, they seemed to have clear periodic oscillations in the release of gas from a Martian soil sample injected with a nutrient solution. The oscillations in gas release had a period of what appeared to be one Martian day. Being a circadian biologist, I became very excited," Miller told SPACE.com.

On Earth, Miller said, circadian rhythms -- oscillations with a period of nearly 24 hours -- are present in every species examined down to blue-green algae. Was it possible, he asked, that the LR experiment was recording the circadian rhythm of a Martian soil-dwelling microbe?
NASA worked with Miller, providing him the 1976 LR data sets, as well as converting the information to an electronic format. That allowed the circadian biologist to study the data using modern computer-based analytical tools."I found that the gas release was indeed rhythmic, with a period of precisely 24.66 hours, a Martian day," Miller said. This finding, along with other painstaking assessments about LR operations, the scientist feels that a Martian circadian rhythm in the experiment may constitute a biosignature - a sign of life.

www.space.com...

Maybe Mars even has life today. The evidence sent back from Mars by two Viking Landers in 1976 and 1977 was not clearcut (6). In fact, NASA's first press release about the Viking tests announced that the results were positive. The "Labelled Release" (LR) experiments had given positive results. But after lengthy discussions in which Carl Sagan participated, NASA reversed its position, mainly because another experiment detected no organics in the soil. Yet Gilbert V. Levin, the principal designer of the LR experiment, still believes the tests pointed to life on Mars (7). When the same two experiments were run on soil from Antarctica, the same conflicting results were obtained (LR - positive; organics - negative.) Soil from Antarctica definitely contains life. The test for organics was negative because it is far less sensitive than the LR experiment. The same problem could have caused the organics test on Mars to give a false negative.

www.panspermia.org...

Warmflash said that the failure of the Viking GCMS to find organic molecules has been called to question. "More recent findings suggesting that the Viking GCMS would have missed such molecules if present necessitates a re-evaluation of the Viking LR data as well as a continued search for organic material and life at the Martian surface," he said.

At the SPIE meeting in San Diego, Levin said that after years of tests, and over two dozen non-biological explanations later, "none of the many attempts to establish the oxidant's mimicry of the LR data did so," he said.

Furthermore, Levin reported that direct evidence exists against any highly oxidizing substance in the surface material of Mars - tucked away and apparently overlooked in the Viking data itself.

www.space.com...

in 1998, NASA's Associate Administrator Wesley Huntress, Jr., stated, "Wherever liquid water and chemical energy are found, there is life. There is no exception."

Could there, then, be life on Mars? In the mid-1970s, the Viking Lander mission's Gas Exchange Experiment detected strong chemical activity in the martian soil. Liquid water seems to be the one element needed for the equation of life on Mars. The presence of water there, however, is still hotly contested.

sse.jpl.nasa.gov...

So we need liquid water ...

Data from the Mars Pathfinder support this theory, as the Pathfinder temperature readings noted that temperatures one meter above the surface were often dozens of degrees colder than the temperatures closer to the ground.

This layer of cold air, say the Levins, provides a form of insulation, trapping the water moisture below. Since the atmosphere is too cold to hold the water as vapor and the ground is warm enough to melt the ice, the water melts into a liquid. This liquid water, the Levins believe, remains on the surface until the temperature of the atmosphere rises enough to allow the water to evaporate. In this way, they argue, the martian soil becomes briefly saturated with liquid water every day.

"The meteorological data fully confirm the presence of liquid water in the topsoil each morning," says Gilbert Levin. "The black-and-white as well as the color images show slick areas that may well be moist patches."

sse.jpl.nasa.gov...

“The fact that there have been warm and wet places beneath the surface of Mars since before life began on Earth, and that some are probably still there, means that there is a possibility that primitive micro-organisms survive on Mars today," study co-leader John Murray at the Open University in the UK said in today's statement. "This mission has changed many of my long-held opinions about Mars – we now have to go there and check it out."

Other researchers have speculated that if life ever formed on Mars, it could have gone underground and survived to the present day. (Lack of surface water now, plus the harsh radiation at Mars, suggest it's very unlikely there is any modern-day surface life.)

Many other scientists have said firm proof of life on Mars, if it exists, would require a new mission. The rovers on Mars and spacecraft orbiting there are not equipped to find life directly.

www.space.com...

WASHINGTON -- Researchers using NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft announced Thursday that they found puzzling signs of water seeping into what appear to be young, freshly-cut gullies and gaps in the Martian surface.
The startling discovery of recently-formed, weeping layers of rock and sediment has planetary experts scratching their heads.

The wet spots show up in more than 120 locations on Mars and in the coldest places on the planet, said Michael Malin of Malin Space Science Systems in San Diego, California, which built the spacecraft's camera.

And that presents a "perplexing problem," he said, because logic says that Mars sub-zero temperatures and thin atmosphere should have kept those wet spots from ever forming.

The wet spots, which turn up in 200 to 250 different images from the Global Surveyor spacecraft, "could be a few million years old but we cannot rule out that some of them are so recent as to have formed yesterday," Malin said.

www.space.com...

I have a few pictures showing what i believe to be standing water:

qt.exploratorium.edu...

www.msss.com...

www.msss.com...

www.msss.com...

www.msss.com...

And here they are apparently finding that that higher concentrations of methane corresponds with higher concentrations of Water vapour over areas they know they have subsurface water ice...

Recent analyses of ESA's Mars Express data reveal that concentrations of water vapor and methane in the atmosphere of Mars significantly overlap. This result, from data obtained by the Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS), gives a boost to understanding of geological and atmospheric processes on Mars, and provides important new hints to evaluate the hypothesis of present life on the Red Planet.

Here, the concentration is two to three times higher than in other regions observed. These areas of water vapor concentration also correspond to the areas where NASA's Odyssey spacecraft has observed a water ice layer a few tens of centimeters below the surface, as Dr Vittorio Formisano, PFS principal investigator, reports.

New in-depth analysis of PFS data also confirms that methane is not uniform in the atmosphere, but concentrated in some areas. The PFS team observed that the areas of highest concentration of methane overlap with the areas where water vapor and underground water ice are also concentrated. This spatial correlation between water vapor and methane seems to point to a common underground source.

www.astrobio.net...

Well i have many many more links and selected data if you are left unconvinced.

Stellar

Originally posted by lost_shaman I'm intending to ask you about the dis-information campaign that has obviously in my mind been perpetuated by the U.S. and U.S.A.F. N.A.S.A. and others.

The disinformation/misinformation campaign on UFO's works like this: "We (the gov) do not investigate UFO's because whatever they are does not represent a threat to national security." Any calls to the FAA or Air force bases are handed off to the ufo group in Seattle. Its classic. Now if a saucer happens to crash they have teams of highly organized, very mobile and extremely talented personnel that deal with that in extraordinarily ingenious ways. They have pools of equipment in most cities that can be accessed within minutes. For instance lets say a saucer (or for that matter some of our highly advanced secret aircraft/vehicles) accidentally crashes near a city. Portable wallls can be erected within minutes around the object. Those who may have accidentally seen something are rounded up and deprogrammed. And yes, they used to cart these people off to relocation centers one of which was on the Nevada/Utah border for deprograming but they don't have to do that anymore, there are more efficient ways of dealing with that problem. Mind control is so highly advanced these days that an engineer can work on a project all day long, walk out of his office, go home, be with his family and never think about what he did or worked on and it never bothers him, for instance he doesn't have that nagging feeling of 'what in the heck did I do today'. Back to the crashed saucer, once the area is secure and the witnesses are rounded up a diversion is created like a tanker fire or chemical spill nearby to direct all attention away from the real crash. The real crashed vehicle is loaded up and carted away with no one the wiser. In 1953 they had a saucer about 150 feet in diameter crash about 25 or 30 miles southeast of Garrison, UT. It was too big to move so they buried it on the spot and its still there. They built a few houses for scientists to stay in and built an underground tunnel from the houses to the craft. The area was called the Desert Range Experimental Station. But the bottom line is that the government disinformation/misinformation campaign is as ingenious as it is effective. Remember I told you that somebody knows what you are doing every single second of your life? If you happen to see something you shouldn't have somebody will be notified and the problem dealt with.

Good day, Mr. Lear.

As you really are THE John Lear, I'm not going to pass up the chance to ask you a few questions about something that seems so far away to me (We don't have many UFO sightings and secret alien bases here in Sweden)

1. If the aliens are doing this harvesting of our souls for good, I assume you mean that the aliens are indeed, well, good rather than evil. But if Dulce do exist, then I assume the Dulce wars did indeed occur. And if that is the case, then the rumors of Dulce's level 6 ("The Nightmare Hall"...that name still gives me the creeps), must be true as well. So, are these the same aliens harvesting our souls, and if that's the case, how can you say they are good?

2. Now, these "martians" you speak of are obviously not the only aliens there is, since you mentioned that every planet was populated. How about the greys? Are they real, and if they are, is it true that they were made by the Annunaki/Draconians/Lizards, whatever you want to call them? Do the Annunaki truly exist, or is it just a hoax? (And what about the Nordics?)

3. Have you ever met with Whitley Strieber? What did you think of him? I seem to remember in his second book (been a while since I read it, I might be mistaken), he wrote that he began to realize the aliens (greys, I assume) were evil, that they were rather treating us as cattle. If so, what's your opinion on this?

That's all I could think of for now.

It's an honor to speak with you, sir!

Regards//Me

There is a theory that I have often considered at least sensible however unlikely. The theory goes something like , the aliens are abducting Humans and doing what appear to medical tests on them for the purpose of reclaiming or cleansing their (alien's) dna woth our dna.

The variations on that theory include these aliens are truly Human Beings of the future come back in time to save the Human race from dna manipulaitons gone awry and the aliens are another race all together that have spent the dna pool and need an infusion of sorts to keep their own species/genus going.

That certainly sounds a little like harvesting but it's harvesting biological rather than spiritual material.

Thoughts?

Springer...

Originally posted by W_Smith

Thanks for the post W_Smith.

1. Am I to understand that the "soul harvesting aliens" are different than the greys or the ones described in the Dulce compound?

The following is an opinion. I do not represent anything as 'iron' clad' fact:

I think the greys are cybernetic organisms (glorified robots) who manage or 'take care of' mankind on behalf of another species of aliens, much higher up. The greys manage the day to day monitering of mankind, they do the abductions usually once when the human reaches 3 years of age, once at 7 years of age and once about 11 to 13 years of age. What they look for or tweak I do not know. Our government is well aware of this and in their incredible, unbounded ignorance, thought that someday we (the U.S.) were going to defeat the greys which is much like a bunch of ants in one of those rectangular glass ant farms getting together and saying, "OK, heres my plan for breaking out of here." As a matter of fact thats exactly what its like. In the middle 80's the secret government came to the shocking conclusion that there wasn't one single thing they were going to able to do about the greys. They realized the absolute control the aliens had over us. In the words of one shocked military official "Its futile".

So they decided to put a 'spin' on the 'grey' problem. There was way too information out there to deny it so they decided to 'spin' it their way in a 20 to 30 year program. And this is the way I think they are heading: they took some real information and 'spin' information (the classic mix) and created "Project Serpo". Project Serpo would be about a species of male/female aliens (bogus, they are glorified robots) who came from the 4th planet from Zeta Reticuli 2 (true) who live there with there families (bogus, no families) tell time with a sundial (bogus) and play soccer (bogus). And that we sent a team of 12 (Bogus, it was 3) to check out Planet Serpo and found out it was to hot to enjoy(I don't know what the temperature is there). The day on Reticulum 4 (the true name for Planet Serpo) is 90 earth hours long, but I haven't seen this particular fact come up on the Project Serpo disinfo yet. The reason for Project Serpo is to 'spin' the glorified robots in control to just an 'mom and pop' alien species checking us out. No big deal. Project Serpo has taken 20 years to put together so although we at ATS know whats going on we don't have control of the world media, so there will be some interesting twists and turns in this story for a long time to come.

If the soul harvesters are trying (?) to lead us to enlightenment, wouldn't they eliminate the harmful aliens?

I don't know the answer to this question.

Or maybe the soul harvesters view the alleged situation/deal between the government and the harmful aliens as part of the process?

Nice speculation. I'd go along with that.

Also, when you say that they want to "put us in the right direction", I conclude that you mean towards enlightenment?

I don't like the word enlightenment (although its probably accurate). It sounds too much like crystals, beads and incense to me.

2. Do you have any opinions/ insights to aliens that live in the ocean? Just wondering, as I seem to have dreams that pertain to this.

There are huge alien bases in the ocean. The U.S. Navy knows of many.

3. Are we the only planet that is being harvested for souls?

I am afraid that I have unintentially created a monster with my word 'harvest' when 'enlightenment' would be more accurate but is a word that sounds phoney to me. So choose the word that works best for you.

No, we are not the only planet being harvested/enlightened. We are one of billions all either just like earth or similar. All are in different stages of development, some way ahead of us, some way behind.

Do you believe Earth was designed for this purpose?

Yes, designed, built, 'moon' towed into orbit, just like all the other billions of earths.

4.There is a lot of talk about "silencing" people who get to close to the truth - Do you ever feel threatened or have you ever had a close call with this type of thing?

I don't know. I don't know whether or not I have been threatened. Certainly not overtly. But threats can be very subtle. You also have to have a reasonable level of intelligence to recognize a threat. I may not qualify.

Thank you John. I appreciate your responses. And for the record, I used the word 'enlightenment" for lack of a better word. I was very tired and, like I said, am working on becoming more educated (with discussion).

The ocean bases in my dreams and the "soul cultivation" aliens really ring true to me. It's like I am on the verge of an explosion of clarity, but it is stifled. It is very irritating. Kind of like when you start to sneeze and then don't. Have I lost anybody yet?

I have more questions, but will wait until I can articulate them better. I do not normally conduct these kinds of dialouge, so I want to make sure I am not redundant.

Thanks again, to john and everyone else.

Originally posted by David_Reale

Thanks for your post David.

1. If the aliens are doing this harvesting of our souls for good, I assume you mean that the aliens are indeed, well, good rather than evil. But if Dulce do exist, then I assume the Dulce wars did indeed occur. And if that is the case, then the rumors of Dulce's level 6 ("The Nightmare Hall"...that name still gives me the creeps), must be true as well. So, are these the same aliens harvesting our souls, and if that's the case, how can you say they are good?

I don't have answer for that. Dulce is real. Nightmare Hall exists. As a matter of fact I'd like somebody to explain that one to me.

The Dulce war did happen (I don't know why its called the Dulce Wars, plural, it was one incident/disaster). I think it was in 1979. A group of scientists were being instructed in a classroom by a grey. The greys permitted no firearms or ammuntion of any kind anywhere around them. For some reason, a security guard (ours) walked into or by the classroom and was instantly killed (don't know how, all were killed with head wounds but don't know from what.) Delta Force security tried to retaliate against the alien teacher. I don't know if they were successful. The final result was 66 scientists and Delta Force killed. The government had a real problem on their hands accounting to families of dead scientists on this one. Phil Schneider was there. To my great regret I did not believe his story.

2. Now, these "martians" you speak of are obviously not the only aliens there is, since you mentioned that every planet was populated. How about the greys? Are they real, and if they are, is it true that they were made by the Annunaki/Draconians/Lizards, whatever you want to call them? Do the Annunaki truly exist, or is it just a hoax? (And what about the Nordics?)

Greys are real. Don't know who they were made by. The story of the Annunaki would seem to be true, not a hoax. The Nordics exist (check out "Inside the Aquarium" forget the Russian authors name), don't know who they are.

3. Have you ever met with Whitley Strieber? What did you think of him? I seem to remember in his second book (been a while since I read it, I might be mistaken), he wrote that he began to realize the aliens (greys, I assume) were evil, that they were rather treating us as cattle. If so, what's your opinion on this?

Just after he wrote Communion I met Whitley and we became friends. Whitley would call me about 11pm (2am his time) and expound on aliens for several hours. I eventually started recording these conversations because Whitley did not remember calling me and I had to record it to show him. This went on for weeks. Val Valerian borrowed one of the tapes and played it for a local UFO group. Whitley found out about it and was rightfully upset. I returned all the tapes to Whitley and he hasn't spoken to me since. "Treating us like cattle' might be the wrong metaphor because as far as I know the greys don't use us for food. Others may. But not the greys. Whether or not the greys are 'evil' might depend on whether or not your abduction was a pleasant experience or not. If it was horrifying, which it usually is, they are 'evil'. If it was pleasant (unlikely) then they are all 'goodness and light'.

Originally posted by Springer

Thanks for the post Springer.

There is a theory that I have often considered at least sensible however unlikely. The theory goes something like , the aliens are abducting Humans and doing what appear to medical tests on them for the purpose of reclaiming or cleansing their (alien's) dna woth our dna.

The variations on that theory include these aliens are truly Human Beings of the future come back in time to save the Human race from dna manipulaitons gone awry and the aliens are another race all together that have spent the dna pool and need an infusion of sorts to keep their own species/genus going.

That certainly sounds a little like harvesting but it's harvesting biological rather than spiritual material.

I may be wrong but I belive this scenario (and its variations. i.e. the 45's and 56's) is part of the Project Serpo disinformation campaign and here is why I believe that to be true. I heard the same theory being expounded by Dan Burisch during the 6 hours of video that I have seen on him. Now I believe Dan Burish worked at S-4 and I believe he worked with the J-Rod (EBE 3), I believe him to an honest and forthright scientist. But I also believe that he is being used unwittingly to bolster the Project Serpo disinformation campaign

Thanks for the answers, John. I think I'll have to take some time and think about all of this now....

But you're right, I shouldn't have said cattle. The correct term, I think seems to be "guinea pigs"... But I read somewhere, although this is just a mass-produced unproven "fact" in the UFO community, that the greys use body parts of humans to create a goo which they then feed on. I think I read about it in the Dulce papers, but I'm not sure...

Here is one thing that I can't quite wrap my mind around. What could the motivation be for members of the secret astronaut corps on Mars to go out and "prolong" the life of the rovers?

If the heads of this group don't want anyone to know that we have a base on Mars, then it stands to reason that they don't want anyone to know anything about what has, or is, going on on Mars either.

I'm left with two conclusions to ponder on.

1) The secret group and NASA are working together. Be that the case, NASA would know that there are men on the ground, so why even send rovers to perform any science to begin with? A dog and pony show for the public? Still, if it is just for show, why not let the rovers get encumbered by dust and die off after 90 days like everyone expected them to? No one would have questioned it, and then they could have pored our money into something else that we already know about.

2) NASA has no idea that the secret group is even there, or even exists. Be that the case, why help NASA? Could there possibly be rogue members of the secret corps who want some of the secrets of Mars coming out, by subtly prolonging the rovers' lives in hopes it finds something? I think that NASA conceals any "find" from the public's eyes anyway, so I don't know what that would accomplish. Or are they not trying to help, but rather, just screwing with NASA?

I just can't quite put my finger on motive here.

Interesting points from Mr. Lear's C2C talk. I guess one has to register to hear these clips? Is there a link to this show somewhere which doesn't require registration?

www.coasttocoastam.com...

John Lear: All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.

[...]

In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.

At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God. Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.

[...]

And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.

Very interesting!

Harvesting souls? or using our physical bodies to get something they desperately need in order to survive, like our DNA perhaps, which apperently contains a sub atomic particle that will be discovered in our DNA in the near future which is supposed to demonstrate that we are connected to all things including the Force of all things, could that be why they might be trying to harvest us to hybryd themselves with a soul? just a theory... it's very hard for some to make a connection between religion and science fact or fiction for that matter.. I think thats why there's so much confusion..thats the problem with a free for all website, people don't follow the stories linearly the way they should and get lost being bounced around from theory to theory..not everybody is on the same playing-field.. but that's all by design.

A baby deer is born deep in the forests of Canada soon thereafter, deer wanders off to go explore and eat, when all of a sudden its startled by the sound of something overhead and just at that moment its thoughts go blank, it wakes up suddenly somewhere else and scared heads back to find its mother, 'what happenned you've been gone for a while,what are those marks on your body?
" i dont know all i remeber was sound overhead and then i was somewhere else" meanwhile... in a helicopter further away "did you mark it in red or blue?"
"red" good will come back and check on it in a year from today...

And do you still buy into the human eating Martians or are they from somewhere else?
Val Valerian is a hoax. It's really John Grace.



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Originally posted by longhaircowboy
And do you still buy into the human eating Martians or are they from somewhere else?
Val Valerian is a hoax. It's really John Grace.

Hi LHC, nice to see you back again! Val Valerian is not a hoax. It is the name John Grace used to publish the Matrix series while he was still in the Air Force. He still uses it. John was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base and lived just down the street from me. John and I worked together on Matrix 1, as a matter of fact most of the information in Matrix 1 came right off the top of my desk.

Please tell me more about your human eating Martians I don't think I've heard that one before. I'm curious LHC, where else would 'Martians' be from?

Where do we stand on the Mars colour issue Springer? I will assume that you read it ( you said as much ) and i would appreciate a response to that part of my post. Kano's work is but a small subset of the whole and it proved not a thing.

Thanks.

Stellar

Mr. Lear,
Do you know why some people are abducted and others aren't? Is there some trait in those people that the aliens are looking for?
Thanks.

Originally posted by mecheng
Mr. Lear,
Do you know why some people are abducted and others aren't? Is there some trait in those people that the aliens are looking for?
Thanks.

Sorry, I don't know the answer to that question. I do know that if one member of a family has been abducted, then all members of the family, including brothers and sisters. mother and father, grandmother and grandfather etc etc have all been abducted.

John, do you think the greys are interested in our souls because they are Cybernetic organisms and they would like to understand the soul in hope of becoming more "alive" for want of a better word.

Also, do they know what happens to our soul once our physical body dies?

Originally posted by johnlear



This information comes to me first hand from personal 'face to face' contacts I have or have had with persons within the secret government. It is information I believe to be true. As I have not been to Mars yet, the information remains an 'opinion'.

I wish you guys would stop brainwashing our young children. I saw a saturday morning cartoon recently which was teaching our yourth not to invade other people's privacy and then said, "unless you are part of the secret underground government, then it is okay...."

You people are destroying this country.

The Dulce war did happen

I'd love to see your proof of that. I can find no hard evidence that points to that being a real event. So far all thats available is hearsay.

Please tell me more about your human eating Martians I don't think I've heard that one before. I'm curious LHC, where else would 'Martians' be from?

Ok so maybe my use of the term martian was off the mark but maybe you should read what you wrote in 1987.
link

You've more than heard it before, you wrote about it.

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