Bush Does Something Good For The Environment

Yeah ok.. so we all know that Bush ALWAYS does what he says and NEVER the complete opposite.. So what he really means is that this "Marine Sanctuary" is really going to be a HUGE Nuclear waste dump to test the affects of radiation on the marine life and water..

Good grief can people never give Bush credit for anything other then all the evils in the world. I'll grant you he has made policy decisions I don't agree with but this seems to be good.

No.. we can never give him credit again...

And wait and see.. there is always something hidden when he speaks.. He never says what he means.. like "Operation Clean Air" which is "Operation pump mercury vapour into the atmosphere"....

Originally posted by jsobecky
Sitting right here. As I said back then, the Pentagon used that to swell his head to the point where he got brash and leaked his whereabouts.

It worked, didn't it?

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You cant seriously believe that. They made american people believe this guy was worse then he was so he could get cocky? come on, thats one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. We found him because either 1: A hunt down which he gave no help to find him, or 2: he was already dead and we really have no idea whats what.

looking at the circumstances...Im starting to feel like 2 might float.

Originally posted by grimreaper797

Originally posted by jsobecky
Sitting right here. As I said back then, the Pentagon used that to swell his head to the point where he got brash and leaked his whereabouts.

It worked, didn't it?

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You cant seriously believe that. They made american people believe this guy was worse then he was so he could get cocky? come on, thats one of the most stupid things I have ever heard.

No, it's one of the most clever things you ever heard. Pentagon is much smarter than you when it comes to these matters, believe me. And you may be sad because he's dead, but give credit where credit is due.

Your problem is that you worry about the intended effect on the American people. They were not the Pentagon's target; Zarqawi was. Public opinion is only a side benefit.

We found him because either 1: A hunt down which he gave no help to find him, or 2: he was already dead and we really have no idea whats what.

You need to follow the news. The last video he released gave away his whereabouts. It was a piece of cake after that.

You can believe that, but I definately dont. First off the pentagon is good at tricking people and doing what they need to do to get their budget through. Pentagon is more worried about its funds then capturing osama or zarqawi. They would much rather have you willingly give up your tax money to pay for their paychecks then see the whole war on terror end and have their budget downsized. to me thats common sense, money makes the world go round, not us.

And if you want to believe that video from like a month ago gave away his position be my guest by thats pretty suspect to me. You know how far a man can travel in a week just by car? I really dont think that a video from 3 weeks before could lead to the sudden whereabouts of a guy, when I still dont know where the hell he was in the video. You have to get alot more exact then what country, and in a desert like that I just dont see them seeing the video and going "o thats right here on the map...but I think we will wait a couple weeks."

This isn't meant as a shot at Bush, but alot of that area was already a National Monument. In the area shown on that map there are several sunken ships from WWII. Many years ago it was agreed in International Law that those ships are considered National Monuments. I'm fairly certain that ships sunk during the Battle of Midway are in this area, along with alot of unexploded ordinance.

JIMC5499, I think that's also right.

In fact, the real irony is that the area is a vast patchwork of pre-existing designations, that makes this consolidation of federal control under the auspices of further protection highly suspicious.

This is going to a topic we revisit, and see in a different light, in a few years...Mark my words.

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Originally posted by loam
JIMC5499, I think that's also right.

In fact, the real irony is that the area is a vast patchwork of pre-existing designations, that makes this consolidation of federal control under the auspices of further protection highly suspicious.

This is going to a topic we revisit, and see in a different light, in a few years...Mark my words.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by loam]

Get real. At the worst this was just a public relations bone thrown to the environmentalists. The majority of that area is volcanic so there is no mineral wealth to speak of. I think that's about as far as it goes.

What next? Will it become a news story when the goober manages to rinse his cereal bowl and put it in the dishwasher? I just can't generate any 'yippee' about this. We're not talking about a location that's at any immediate risk are we? Here in the continental U.S., the federal government is considering selling National forestland in order to raise money for education. Rob Peter to pay Paul...isn't that how it goes?

The Bush administration's habit of attempting to alter or distort scientific findings leaves me with a suspicious feeling about this.

"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."

-President Bush, Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000

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Originally posted by JIMC5499
Get real. At the worst this was just a public relations bone thrown to the environmentalists.

If that were true, he could have simply touted the achievement of the May 19, 2006, sanctuary agreement cited in my original post.

Memorandum of Agreement between the State of Hawaii Department of Land and Natural Resources, U.S. Department of the Interior Fish and Wildlife Service, and the U.S. Department of Commerce National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration National Ocean Service and National Marine Fisheries Service for promoting coordinated management in the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands - signed 5/19/06

Originally posted by JIMC5499
The majority of that area is volcanic so there is no mineral wealth to speak of. I think that's about as far as it goes.

Who said anything about mineral wealth??? ...but some ulterior motive is certainly in play...and not the one you mention.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by loam]

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by loam
JIMC5499, I think that's also right.

In fact, the real irony is that the area is a vast patchwork of pre-existing designations, that makes this consolidation of federal control under the auspices of further protection highly suspicious.

This is going to a topic we revisit, and see in a different light, in a few years...Mark my words.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by loam]

Get real. At the worst this was just a public relations bone thrown to the environmentalists. The majority of that area is volcanic so there is no mineral wealth to speak of. I think that's about as far as it goes.

Exactly. What the hell is "suspicious" about this move?

People are just so upset that Bush is doing something right. It eats away at them, and they get their panties in a knot every time good news is released.:shk:

jsobecky:

You obviously did not read the information I posted.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Exactly. What the hell is "suspicious" about this move?

People are just so upset that Bush is doing something right. It eats away at them, and they get their panties in a knot every time good news is released.:shk:

Ummm the fact that Bush never does anything good? he only does things that better himself

Mod Edit: Fixed Quote.

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Originally posted by jsobecky
Exactly. What the hell is "suspicious" about this move?

People are just so upset that Bush is doing something right. It eats away at them, and they get their panties in a knot every time good news is released.:shk:

Yeah, you obviously didn't read the whole thread. Um... if the best that can be touted is this as being good, after 6 years of time, then I think that there is a good reason to be suspicious. There were already sunken ships in that area, which are declared as national monuments, are they not? Publicity stunt, plain and simple.

JsoBecky, here is some more info to help you with understanding that our president has a horrific track record with the environment, and that this stunt is only a candle against the sun.

Bush Approves Nuclear Waste Dump Site

President Bush approved Nevada's Yucca Mountain on Friday as the site for long-term disposal of thousands of tons of highly radioactive nuclear waste.

Nevada's Republican governor, Kenny Guinn, said he was outraged. Within hours, Nevada filed suit in federal court arguing the way the Energy Department came to its conclusions in recommending the site violated a 1982 nuclear waste law. The suit had been expected.

This sounds a little trashy to me, don't you think? We have to make sure the fish can swim in Hawaii, but we can't even find a decent place to put our nuclear waste?

New Administration Proposal Would Jeopardize Clean Water Act Protections

Today's Bush administration proposal to limit the scope of Clean Water Act coverage would threaten all U.S. waterways, according to NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council). The administration issued two related documents: an "advanced notice of proposed rulemaking," which calls into question federal Clean Water Act protection for a variety of waterbodies; and an attached "guidance" document for the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which discourages their field offices from protecting wetlands. The advanced notice allows for a 45-day public comment period.

Today's proposal opens up a range of possible rule changes, but any change would jeopardize the integrity of the Clean Water Act, Stoner said. The waterways at risk are creeks, small streams, and many types of wetlands, which could become vulnerable to unrestricted dredging, filling and waste dumping.

Well, we can see here how much we care about the water, and the animals that live in it.

Bush Stands by Rejection of Kyoto Treaty

President Bush is holding fast to his rejection of mandatory curbs on greenhouse gases that are blamed for global warming, despite a fresh report from 300 scientists in the United States and seven other nations that shows Arctic temperatures are rising.

This week, a four-year study of the Arctic will document that the region is warming rapidly, affecting global climates.

Scientists project that industrial gases such as carbon dioxide will make the Arctic warmer still, which would raise the level of the seas and make the earth hotter. The world's atmosphere now includes about 380 parts per million of carbon dioxide, compared with 280 parts per million in 1800, according to scientists.

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the Kyoto international climate treaty last week, which puts it into effect early next year without U.S. participation. The treaty requires industrial nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases below 1990 levels.

This of course, would hurt the big companies that would donate to his party, and his campaign, but really, they would support any political figure regardless of party affiliation that would hold sympathy to their exorbitant cause. President Bush decided it wasn't worth it, though it seems many other nations were willing to make the sacrifice for the good of mankind, something on thought the U.S. was trying to do by instilling democracy in totalitarian nations...

So lets see, we can destroy our environment in so many ways, by allowing our president to do it, and then showing him support. Our president can decide that money in the coffers of his groups overrides the human need for less polutants in the air. Our president can then thank those that supported him through the years by making a zone a National Monument? Parts of it already are. Plus as we all know, from watching many of the past administrations and this one, walking the walk is one thing, talking the talk is quite another.

To all of you who think Bush is a ******** for not being more environentally friendly let me ask you this.
How are you liking three dollar a gallon gas, and how much higher do you want it to go?

Originally posted by ShazamsChampion
To all of you who think Bush is a ******** for not being more environentally friendly let me ask you this.
How are you liking three dollar a gallon gas, and how much higher do you want it to go?

Much better than the poison in my lungs... or the poison in my drinking water... but, of course, at least the trip to the cemetery will be cheap.

Originally posted by loam

Originally posted by ShazamsChampion
To all of you who think Bush is a ******** for not being more environentally friendly let me ask you this.
How are you liking three dollar a gallon gas, and how much higher do you want it to go?

Much better than the poison in my lungs... or the poison in my drinking water... but, of course, at least the trip to the cemetery will be cheap.

Ohhhhh Please.

Do you actually buy this BS or do ya just shovel it?


Tell me what good does it do to ban US companies from drilling for oil 50 miles away from where I am sitting (continental shelf off florida) When Casto And Hu Jntao are drilling there?
You do realise that Chineses owned oil companies have a worse recrd by far in terms of environmental than American Oil companies do?



So thanks to fools like you, the fishies are in even worse danger, and we don't even get the benefits.

Just another example of the fine quality of enviromental thinking.
Ahhh aint it grand living in a "green world"

ShazamsChampion

You misunderstood loams meaning and obviously forgot to check the links.

He actually was sarcastic.