Pure lies!

Last night, I caught Sky News telling blatant, bold faced, lies. They had the audacity to try and say that the Taliban were funding themselves with Opium money, and that they had hindered our attempts to come in and destroy the fields. I'm sorry, but that is...
BS!

For those of you who were not aware, The Taliban had banned Poppy Farming. It was totally outlawed a short time after they came into power.

BBC NEWS

Poppy farming has grown since the Taleban's fall

In the last two years of Taleban rule, poppy cultivation was virtually eradicated and global stockpiles of opium have been run down.

The price of opium is now rising, an indication that poppy eradication in Afghanistan could cause major problems for global heroin dealers this year.

Oh Dear, the eradication of the fields (implemented by the Taliban) could have caused major problems for global heroin dealers (us)... No wonder we invaded. After we ousted the Taliban, we backed the Northern Alliance, who went and planted all the Opium poppies again, kick-starting the almost stagnant flow of Heroin Worldwide, back into action. But we are the good guys, of course. Nothing like Streets full of Smack for the Kidlings.

BBC NEWS

UN concern over Afghan drug revival

Last summer international drugs control agencies reported a 94% drop in Afghanistan's opium production on the previous year.

Drug production fell dramatically after the Taleban ban.

It appeared that a ban imposed by the Taleban was almost completely effective.

But by autumn the picture had changed dramatically.

With the Americans now bombing Afghanistan and the Taleban on the run, the country's impoverished farmers, struggling after years of drought, turned again to poppy cultivation.

Ahh, who cares though, right? 'All the Heroin is over there in Afghanistan, I hope those stupid Taliban choke on it. Dammit, I've spilt my Beer all over myself'

UNDCP spokesman

If there is a drug problem in Afghanistan then there is a drug problem all over Europe

America, too... Afghanistan produce around 75% of the Worlds Opium. Some of that is obviously sold to Medical Drug Companies, and the like, but it's also a hell of a lot of Heroin on our streets.

Apparently, the Afghan interim Government had also implemented a ban. And supposedly the Coalition are waging a ‘War on Drugs’… So why are we getting reports like this, from yesterday?

Reuters India

Central Asian heads meet to halt Afghan drugs flow

BEIJING (Reuters) - Central Asian states plan to create a protective buffer to staunch the flow of drugs from Afghanistan, China said on Monday as it prepares for a summit of leaders from the region.

Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister Li Hui said narcotics, mainly from Afghanistan, threatened social stability and security in Central Asia.

What about this one, from 2004?

BBC NEWS

Earlier this year the head of the United Nations drugs control agency said efforts to tackle Afghanistan's growing drugs trade were failing. The UK-based development agency Spirit Aid offers a radical solution to the problem. During the 1990s, five or six provinces in Afghanistan were cultivating opium poppy. Since the fall of the Taleban, that number has increased to 28 out of 32 regions. That is a major factor in worsening violence this year as people struggle to survive and fight for control of this illegal, socially damaging but lucrative resource.

Clearly our little War on Drugs isn't working, just like the War on Terror. More Drugs, more Terror, you know the routine by now. How can the biggest bunch of Terrorists on the planet conduct any kind of effective War on Terror? How can we trust the biggest Dealers who ever walked the face of the Earth to eliminate the flow of Drugs? It's insane. I'm sick of the lies. The media are now trying to just whitewash everything, and they are getting away with it. Sky News last night was the last straw.

Something must be done!

Heck, the CIA is the biggest transporter and trader in the frigin world when it comes to all sorts of drugs.

They beat down all the small ones, not in the name of the war on drugs, but because they are smalltime competition that makes trouble for them.

The first rise of heroine production in Afghanistan happened when the CIA was training and funding Osama Bin Laden, what do you think the CIA and US got in return for the massive amounts of weapons, stinger missiles, other logistics and training Al-Quada got from the CIA? Heroine!

Then that fad with the russians was over, Osama and his bunch turned against the US because they saw how they were being used, the taliban comes in power and heroine production comes to a grinding halt over the years.

When its nearly completely irradicated, the US comes in, kicks the taliban out and BAM, heroine production is back to "normal".

Same thing goes for the columbian drug lords. These guys get weapons, planes, mercinaries, aid in overtrowing goverments and everything else they could possibly want in return for grade A coke and being a continued annoyance for the Colombian goverment.

Now we all know who the Global Drug Lords are!

Truth Seeker

It may be a revelation to many people that the global drug trade is controlled and run by the intelligence agencies. In this global drug trade British intelligence reigns supreme. As intelligence insiders know MI5 and MI6 control many of the other intelligence agencies in the world (CIA, MOSSAD etc) in a vast web of intrigue and corruption that has its global power base in the city of London, the square mile. My name is James Casbolt and I worked for MI6 in 'black ops' coc aine trafficking with the IRA and MOSSAD in London and Brighton between 1995 and 1999. My father Peter Casbolt was also MI6 and worked with the CIA and mafia in Rome, trafficking coc aine into Britain. My experience was that the distinctions of all these groups became blurred until in the end we were all one international group working together for the same goals. We were puppets who had our strings pulled by global puppet masters based in the city of London. Most levels of the intelligence agencies are not loyal to the people of the country they are based in and see themselves as 'super national'.

Drugs, Police and Intelligence Services

The officer, dubbed "Serpico" by friends after the New York police officer who was pilloried for exposing corruption, described sections of the drug squad and the regional crime squad at Scotland Yard as the "most professional criminal cartels in Britain". He is writing a book in which he alleges that officers stole drugs, paid phantom informants and fabricated evidence.

Duncan MacLaughlin, a detective for 18 years, is believed to be the first officer to talk openly about alleged corruption within the elite squads in which he worked.

His claims are likely to give renewed urgency to the efforts by Sir Paul Condon, the Metropolitan police commissioner, to stamp out criminal activity within the force. Condon has already launched a wide-ranging inquiry into police corruption, and has set up CIB3, a special unit of the Complaints Investigation Bureau, to investigate.

MI6 Are The Lords Of The Global Drug Trade

'It may be a revelation to many people that the global drug trade is controlled and run by the intelligence agencies. In this global drug trade British intelligence reigns supreme.

As intelligence insiders know MI5 and MI6 control many of the other intelligence agencies in the world (CIA, MOSSAD etc) in a vast web of intrigue and corruption that has its global power base in the city of London, the square mile.

My name is James Casbolt and I worked for MI6 in 'black ops' coc aine trafficking with the IRA and MOSSAD in London and Brighton between 1995 and 1999. My father Peter Casbolt was also MI6 and worked with the CIA and mafia in Rome, trafficking coc aine into Britain.'

Drug Trade was always in the hands of the Global Elite.

And with the Help of Intelligence Agencies (such as CIA, MI6, Mossad), they also RULE the Global Drug Trade - as they did for centuries.

[edit on 13/6/06 by Souljah]

Originally posted by thematrix
Heck, the CIA is the biggest transporter and trader in the frigin world when it comes to all sorts of drugs.

I couldn't agree more, although I'm sure British agencies and several others are right up there with them.

Originally posted by thematrix
They beat down all the small ones, not in the name of the war on drugs, but because they are smalltime competition that makes trouble for them.

Exactly. The level of brutal competition slaying is off the scale. They will have the guy on the street corner arrested for moving tiny amounts, when there's a good chance the stuff in his pocket originated from them! Bigger players who don't play ball, or try to go independant, will be destroyed. These guys want to stay on top.

Originally posted by thematrix
When its nearly completely irradicated, the US comes in, kicks the taliban out and BAM, heroine production is back to "normal".

Exactly.

Originally posted by thematrix
Same thing goes for the columbian drug lords. These guys get weapons, planes, mercinaries, aid in overtrowing goverments and everything else they could possibly want in return for grade A coke and being a continued annoyance for the Colombian goverment.

Don't get me started on the Coke! That, treacherous, God forsaken poison should all be rounded up, and blasted off into the Sun.






[edit on 13-6-2006 by Communication_Burger]

Originally posted by Souljah

MI6 Are The Lords Of The Global Drug Trade

'It may be a revelation to many people that the global drug trade is controlled and run by the intelligence agencies. In this global drug trade British intelligence reigns supreme.

As intelligence insiders know MI5 and MI6 control many of the other intelligence agencies in the world (CIA, MOSSAD etc) in a vast web of intrigue and corruption that has its global power base in the city of London, the square mile.

My name is James Casbolt and I worked for MI6 in 'black ops' coc aine trafficking with the IRA and MOSSAD in London and Brighton between 1995 and 1999. My father Peter Casbolt was also MI6 and worked with the CIA and mafia in Rome, trafficking coc aine into Britain.'

Drug Trade was always in the hands of the Global Elite.

And with the Help of Intelligence Agencies (such as CIA, MI6, Mossad), they also RULE the Global Drug Trade - as they did for centuries.

Well pointed out, Souljah. The War on Drugs, and the War on Terror, are both Pathetic Jokes. I am not amused.

EDIT: 6 are very sly with their Operations, as are the Mossad. The CIA seem to get caught far more often than those Guys, even though they're all working together.








[edit on 13-6-2006 by Communication_Burger]

Originally posted by Communication_Burger
Don't get me started on the Coke! That, treacherous, God forsaken poison should all be rounded up, and blasted off into the Sun.

Kinda wonder what effect that would have, a stoned sun XD

Some of you should learn a little more about Afgainistan.

Afgainistan is desolate....there is no oil, minerals, good farming land or infustructure...it is literally a bronze-age country.....Afgainistan does not produce anything to be exported (except herion).

The reason the afganis grow poppies is becasue poppies are extremely hardy plants.....they can grow in the worst soil.......Since the afganis have nothing else they need to survive somehow.

What you you do to survive?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check that out. It really confused me, still does actually. No replies, and it's been how long?

If there is truth to it, then there's more than meets the eye to the poppy situation in Afghanistan. We've been hearing for some time now that the Taliban was very anti-drug, and so that came as a huge surprise to me.

The other obvious angle is that the drug smugglers are being protected by American quasi-government officials, to fund the black projects nobody wants to talk about. It's much easier to blame the Taliban for the poppy problem than it is to account for the American connection.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check that out. It really confused me, still does actually. No replies, and it's been how long?

If there is truth to it, then there's more than meets the eye to the poppy situation in Afghanistan. We've been hearing for some time now that the Taliban was very anti-drug, and so that came as a huge surprise to me.

Today was the first I had heard about any of this. He was only accused, from what I read in the article. I wonder what became of the trial they mentioned. If it is indeed true, which would not surprise me all that much, even though I thought the Taleban were pretty hardline, I still don't think it does anything to overturn the deeds of the several Intelligence Agencies working that area. The amount of Weight they are moving completely dwarfs anything the Taleban have moved. The figures speak for themselves; there was something like a 94% reduction (‘confirmed’ by several sources). That is a massive difference to Europe, if you go by the estimate (I do) that 90% of Opium in raw form, or Heroin, coming here, is from Afghanistan.

If the Taleban were "provided demolitions, weapons and manpower" in return for turning a blind eye on one Warlord, and his Opium Poppy Harvest, then that is indeed bad, although nobody is really saying the Taleban were/are all that good. But that massive reduction in Opium sold to streets all over the 'Western' world certainly was a big step in the right direction. Had they been in power longer, there may have been something like a 98% elimination, but that's speculative.

Now the country is flooded with Opium, it wouldn't surprise me if they are involved in something at the moment, especially as they seem to be mounting some kind of new campaign there. That's not what this thread was meant to be about though, it was about the media twisting things about and trying to make it look like we went in there and sorted the Opium problem out, when we made it much worse. They (SKY) made no mention in their small televised piece yesterday about the massive reduction brought about by the Taleban at all. They just showed footage, labelled with ‘2001’ of some Afghans standing next to some Poppies, and said ‘The Taleban were funding themselves with Opium.” Even if they were at some stage, it would be a minute amount compared to what we’ve taken out of there.

The Pot is calling the Kettle black, if you ask me.

I heard there were a few shady dealings between some of the Taleban and the U.S. after 9/11, does anyone know anything about that?

Originally posted by Communication_Burger
Last night, I caught Sky News telling blatant, bold faced, lies. They had the audacity to try and say that the Taliban were funding themselves with Opium money, and that they had hindered our attempts to come in and destroy the fields. I'm sorry, but that is...
BS!

For those of you who were not aware, The Taliban had banned Poppy Farming. It was totally outlawed a short time after they came into power.

Thats pretty much BS myself, I could use your source and say what the heck the Taliban been doing since they took power years ago?

Last year, the Taleban leader ordered that cultivation be cut by a third.
But Afghanistan's opium crop rose to 4,600 tonnes from 2,100 tonnes in previous years, leading to doubts about the implementation of the ban.

A United Nations Security Council resolution raised concern over what it called the "significant rise in the illicit production of opium in Afghanistan".

The Taliban never banned the poppies, they needed it for their war chest against the Northern Alliance back then.

Originally posted by deltaboy

Thats pretty much BS myself, I could use your source and say what the heck the Taliban been doing since they took power years ago?

The Taliban never banned the poppies, they needed it for their war chest against the Northern Alliance back then.

Check the date of that article. It's from July 2000. If you scroll down that page you will find this;

The Taleban's strict version of Islam forbids the use of drugs.

But they say farmers must be helped to develop alternative crops before the cultivation of opium can be eradicated.

They had to be weened off it a little first, that's understandable I guess. The increase in the crop that year was probably just Farmers trying to make as much as they possibly could before the Ban came in fully. That's a reasonable assumption, I think.

Look at all the other links I posted that are post 2000, or 2001.

BBC NEWS

Back to the poppy

Last summer international drugs control agencies reported a 94% drop in Afghanistan's opium production on the previous year. It appeared that a ban imposed by the Taleban was almost completely effective.

Originally posted by Communication_Burger
Check the date of that article. It's from July 2000. If you scroll down that page you will find this;

The Taleban's strict version of Islam forbids the use of drugs.

But they say farmers must be helped to develop alternative crops before the cultivation of opium can be eradicated.

The Taliban forbids the use of drugs in which the Afghans don't use drugs, they can sell them to infidels however, theres a difference. With the Taliban out of power and the need to refill their warchest, theres a reason for rise of opium production, even with all the efforts by the U.S. backed govt. to eradicate it. And there is no replacement crop for Afghanistan so even farmers that don't ally with the Taliban would be able to produce more to feed their families, so that also adds the reason to the rise.

The Taliban did ban poppy farming. When they were in power and could tax folk.

These days they will support anything for cash and destabilising Western efforts. As with many things their stance has changed over time.

Hmmm, no credible sources.

This topic (in regards to the U.S.funding drug lords) is bunk

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Originally posted by deltaboy
The Taliban forbids the use of drugs in which the Afghans don't use drugs, they can sell them to infidels however, theres a difference.

What drugs, after 2000 there were practically none left, remember? Why do you keep ignoring the figures provided by U.N and Independant U.S drug inspection agencies?

Originally posted by deltaboy
With the Taliban out of power and the need to refill their warchest, theres a reason for rise of opium production, even with all the efforts by the U.S. backed govt. to eradicate it.

All the efforts by the U.S backed Government to erradicate it?

BBC News

Corruption


For the past five years President Hamid Karzai has tolerated Pashtun warlords as governors, police chiefs and administrators in the south. Most of these warlords were discredited and defeated by the Taleban in the 1990s, but were resuscitated by US forces to help defeat the Taleban in 2001.

Kabul refused to change these warlord-governors, until forced to do so by Nato countries, who refused to deploy their troops until they were removed. Thus Canada, Britain and the Netherlands played a major role in forcing the resignation of the governors of Kandahar, Helmand and Uruzgan - the provinces in which their troops are now being deployed.

Pull the other one, Deltaboy.

Originally posted by deltaboy
And there is no replacement crop for Afghanistan so even farmers that don't ally with the Taliban would be able to produce more to feed their families, so that also adds the reason to the rise.

There are replacement crops though, and the Taleban had already begun to implement them. They were planting wheat.

Originally posted by crisko
Hmmm, no credible sources.

This topic (in regards to the U.S.funding drug lords) is bunk

[edit on 13-6-2006 by crisko]

What are you talking about, no credible sources? Isn't Reuters and The BBC credible enough for you?

Originally posted by crisko
This topic (in regards to the U.S.funding drug lords) is bunk

[edit on 13-6-2006 by crisko]

Bunk?

BBC News

Corruption


For the past five years President Hamid Karzai has tolerated Pashtun warlords as governors, police chiefs and administrators in the south. Most of these warlords were discredited and defeated by the Taleban in the 1990s, but were resuscitated by US forces to help defeat the Taleban in 2001.

Kabul refused to change these warlord-governors, until forced to do so by Nato countries, who refused to deploy their troops until they were removed. Thus Canada, Britain and the Netherlands played a major role in forcing the resignation of the governors of Kandahar, Helmand and Uruzgan - the provinces in which their troops are now being deployed.

Whoops!

America, Britain, and Israel have funded Warlords all over the Planet, by the way.

Originally posted by ferretman2
The reason the afganis grow poppies is becasue poppies are extremely hardy plants.....they can grow in the worst soil.......Since the afganis have nothing else they need to survive somehow.

What you you do to survive?

I beg to differ. Years ago they sent emmisarys to meet with then Governer Bush of Texas in regards to Gas pipelines..which have been thecenter of a lot of attention even now. Poppy trade is not their only source of income.

The Taliban being strict used to kill the opium farmers. The poppy fields started as soon as they were gone.

"Hmmm, no credible sources."


I don't think the US is bankrolling the drug dealers but they are clearly looking the other way and calling off investigations by the DEA.
Sources 'Whiteout' Cockburn and St. Clair
'Cocaine Politics' Scott
' Dark Alliance' Webb

The taliban , while in power, totally destroyed the opium fields over time...

the Taliban has tolerated Poppy farming just recently, for trade purposes, to fund guns, and ammo purchases...

The taliban is no longer in power, so the present government would be the ones responsible for allowing opium to increase

The government that the USA put in place...
and we openly acknowledged that we funded opium warlords to get information, and support from the afghans... (even on FOX- wow)

Also, for those that doubt the USA and other nations intellegence services are involved in drug dealing, catch about the first 8 pages from the thread in my signiture...

talks all about outed ops...