Unnoticed Flying Objects During Shuttle Launch *new*

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Im afraid not, and there is not bashing going on.

Don't know about that...seems that there are many who are ready to jump up and state "clearly birds" when I don't see it. And there are an awful lot of JPEG experts on this board...which amazes me, really.

I'd like to see more claim backup myself. And being a paranoid site, I'm amazed at all the hoax calling so early in the game. Even the area-51 guy didn't get more than 3 pages in, and I felt that was a bit premature. I personally was waiting for the DD-214 myself.

But that's another thread...

It is not bashing when WE see bird. What part WE see birds don't you understand?

When someone disagrees, it's not bashing.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by SpittinCobra]

I am truly one of the people that if there was an once of evidence there I would be in your corner.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by SpittinCobra]

Wow! Quite an argument going on here. Sounds more like a political debate than a discussion about a video of a launch. I did not know emotions ran this high regarding videos of birds flying around during a launch.

I am not an expert on the behavior of vultures but I can relate what I have viewed first hand. When I was last in that area the vultures were everywhere. As I drove up to view a launch a couple of years ago there were dozens of them along the canal banks on the side of the road. I can recall wondering why so many of them were in that area. I did notice while shooting photos of waterfowl in the Everglades that the vultures fly unusually high. I believe it has to do with how they locate carrion. I understand their vision is akin to that of an eagle in that they can actually see a rodent from a distance of miles. Every evening in the Everglades the vultures would perch on trees along the coastline and I watched looking for opportunities to get some good silhouette shots against the setting sun. As I watched them come in I noted that they came from very high altitudes. Due to this and viewing the video I’m on the side of thought that these are all birds.

Unless you know the precise line of sight and the distance to and size of the launched object there is no way to know the size of the birds. A bird could actually look larger than the rocket were it to happen to be a lot closer to the camera but in the same line of site in the field of view. It’s a fact that photographers often take advantage of to produce some interesting effects in film and still shots.

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
It is not bashing when WE see bird. What part WE see birds don't you understand?

When someone disagrees, it's not bashing.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by SpittinCobra]

I am truly one of the people that if there was an once of evidence there I would be in your corner.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by SpittinCobra]

I don't see what 100% convinces me to be a bird. If they are (and they could be) they are very large, very HIGH flying, and very fast. Also, the video *IS* missing the distinctive parts that would convince me that they are birds.

So what I see is an outright dismissal based on thin evidence. Either way, evidence is thin. So there you go.

Well I agree, quite a disscussive thread, but after viewing the clip several times I concluded that the objects visable are Birds.

Why?

Well because there are definately birds that have taken to the wing after the launch of the Shuttle. The birds may well be startled and well be flying in random flightpaths and due to the location of the camera, some miles away from the subject, then the perspective is deceptive. The birds are flying around the clouds at a normal height, but appear to be flying around the exhaust gases from the Shuttle due to the facts that the exhaust gases are denser than the clouds (thus visable through most of the cloud) and the camera resoultion is not good enough to capture the birds in enough detail to see the random flightpaths or allow enough depth of vision for the viewer.

I firmly believe the pictures i have posted earlier in the thread, clearly explain this 'problem' and i am dis-heartened that somebody who claims to have de-bunked numerous hours of video cannot be open minded enough to see that they are almost certainly birds.

I say almost certainly, because, as he himself has posted, zooming into frames of the video clip are in-conclusive to to the cameras resolution.

Zooming into the frames proves zero - absolutly nothing, not bird nor UFO.

Even if they are UFO's, the detail here is not enough to convince people, if 95% of people here say birds then its a good sample and the probability of 95% of the world's population would also conclude - birds.

Like said earlier, we'll just have to agree to disagree, we cannot prove they are birds and you cannot prove they are UFO's!!

Please accept the majority of members on this thread can only concluded these are birds - we respect your views and you obviously have a passion for this, but really in my conclusion you are wrong and they are birds.

What about the other birds in the film? They don't lead you to believe it is a bird?

What is missing from the film to lead you to believe its not a bird?

Originally posted by Tha Troubleshoota

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
It is not bashing when WE see bird. What part WE see birds don't you understand?

When someone disagrees, it's not bashing.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by SpittinCobra]

I am truly one of the people that if there was an once of evidence there I would be in your corner.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by SpittinCobra]

I don't see what 100% convinces me to be a bird. If they are (and they could be) they are very large, very HIGH flying, and very fast. Also, the video *IS* missing the distinctive parts that would convince me that they are birds.

So what I see is an outright dismissal based on thin evidence. Either way, evidence is thin. So there you go.

To be honest there's nothing what points in another direction than a bird.. I mean, the quality is in a too bad shape to start with. And they really don't move that ackward if you ask me. Plus add the fact that in the beginning of the video you can clearly see the place is stuffed with birds..
As for the size, I've already explained what compression does..

Its a bird. I can not find any other evidence to point otherwise. I can not believe some people are saying otherwise. WTF !!??

Originally posted by ISJ
Zooming into the frames proves zero - absolutly nothing, not bird nor UFO.

Zooming in proves the birds disapear behind the smoke plume. Even after they disapear inside the smoke plume you can see them come back from a further distance as a SINGLE pixel. It disapears into the plume as 8 then 4 then 2 then 0 pixels, and come back from behind the plume as 1 to 4 to 6 pixels. I CLEARLY is going in and out of the smoke. Which gives me an pretty accurate reading of the size.

HOLY G! There is a basket full of Skittle's. Since there is Skittles all around it, they must all be Skittles! WRONG.


[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

Originally posted by LAES YVAN

Originally posted by ISJ
Zooming into the frames proves zero - absolutly nothing, not bird nor UFO.

Zooming in proves the birds disapear behind the smoke plume. .

Only because it brings the smoke closer to the camera. Zooming pulls foward.

Originally posted by Tha Troubleshoota


I don't see what 100% convinces me to be a bird. If they are (and they could be) they are very large, very HIGH flying, and very fast. Also, the video *IS* missing the distinctive parts that would convince me that they are birds.

There was a rough drawing earlier in this thread where someone tried to explain how POV (point of view) can affect your perception of objects and how fast they are moving and their size. It’s basic photography 101 stuff. If the birds are closer than the object they could appear to be moving at the same speed as the rocket even though they are traveling much slower. They would also, under those circumstances, appear much larger in relationship to the rocket even though they are much smaller. Next time you are in a car that is moving at high speed; look at the road at a right angle to your direction of travel. If you look at the shoulder of the road it appears to be moving so fast it becomes blurred. If you then look at a location off in the distance it seems to be barely moving even though you are passing both points at the same rate of speed. The same thing happens in a video.

Here... I just went outside and took a picture of a high flying Turkey Vulture from my front yard with my 3.3 mega Pixel digital Camera.

All I did was crop the pic and save it as a high quality jpeg.




Notice how similar that is to what your seeing on the video.

lost_shaman, mind that a JPEG image has far more quality than an SVCD movie..

Originally posted by LAES YVAN

HOLY G! There is a basket full of Skittle's. Since there is Skittles all around it, they must all be Skittles! WRONG.

No i can quite clearly see a hanger full of ufo's with a massive skittles sign, possibly 11,500ft in the air.
I know this as i zoomed in to 1 pixel so everythiny was crystal clear.

Thats a sarcastic view of your photo, which, in someways parallels can be drawn to the topic of this thread.

You just dont have any respect for peoples views really do you laes yvan, you have clearly dismissed the images i have posted and the views that i and others have put forward - you still stick steadfast to your belief and fail to see 'the bigger picture'.

Originally posted by lost_shaman

Notice how similar that is to what your seeing on the video.

That picture shows NOTHING SIMULAR to the video. Your picture CLEARLY shows a V shaped or L shaped bird in flight. The video i posted only shows a CIRCLE. Which is NOT caused by compression.

Well lost_shamen, looking at your photo i must concluded that is indeed a very, very small bird, either that or thats a very, very thick cable.

Oh or maybe just maybe theres a perspective issue here.....? hmmm i wonder

They look nothing similar.. During NO SINGLE FRAME does my video ever take the shape of a bird. It relatively stays the SAME CIRLCE SHAPE AT ALL ANGLES.

If you can find a SS of my video that shows the object in the V shape or a ^ shape, i will shut up.. but you cant.. all shapes are CIRCLES.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

OH YA....now i can see it, the 5 pixels you posted are definetly ufos!!!

Its funny how my object is about twice the height of his bird picture, and there is still the same amount of pixels... goes to show how big this object really is!

[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

You zoom in to the picture that was just taken, and it will look just like it. A little better because of the quality.