Unnoticed Flying Objects During Shuttle Launch *new*

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
thermals are rising heat.
[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

The left over heat from the launch would be rising no?

Originally posted by LAES YVAN

B.T.W. Pigeons and doves were tamed thousands of years ago by people who used them to transport small messages. I highly doubt the same for Turkey Vultures.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

Erm, no.
SOME Pigeons were tamed an used, but most are still wild.
The reason people can move close is because they don't perceive a danger, infact they expect food.

These Turkey Vultures have been at the Kennedy Space Center longer then its been there, so they have become accostumed to the effects of a Launch, they will be acutely aware of what will happen as soon as they have gotten over the loud noise.

You have yet to show any proof yourself that these are anything other than Birds.

Originally posted by LAES YVAN

Maybe you all should do a little reading about Thermals. They dont tend to form around water, which the shuttle launchpad is around. Also is was scattered clouds and sprinkling rain a bit before the shuttle launched that day, thermals tend to no exists when the ground or atmosphere is cold. thermals are rising heat.

If there were not favorable conditions for Turkey Vultures , then why do Turkey Vultures Roost on the Launch Pad?

We already know for a fact that Turkey Vultures were present on the Launch Pad that day.

Also look guys think about this rationally..these people dont seem to be too professional in that when the rocket takes off they are yelling and cheering etc..so dont you think if something really strange was going on around the rocket..they might just try and focus a little more on it rather then completely ignoring a UFO flying around in close proximity to the rocket? i know i would change my focus.

Originally posted by Denied
The left over heat from the launch would be rising no?

Thermals are BUBBLES of hot air that rise because they are lighter than the cold air around them. In the case of this shuttle launch there is no BUBBLES, its one solid line of heat that would most probably cool within minutes because of the humidity of the air that day.

www.flytandem.com...

[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

Turkey vultures usually have a wingspan of about 72 inches.....

so knowing that...can we rule out or not the possibility that those are birds by comparing the size of the objects and the known size of the birds????

Originally posted by D1ssient
These are simply birds, not ufos. Jesus!

If they aren't UFOs, it's certainly not Jesus either. I don't think he really cares enouhg about the space program ot have been there.

Originally posted by JebusSaves
Erm, no.
SOME Pigeons were tamed an used, but most are still wild.
The reason people can move close is because they don't perceive a danger, infact they expect food.

These Turkey Vultures have been at the Kennedy Space Center longer then its been there, so they have become accostumed to the effects of a Launch, they will be acutely aware of what will happen as soon as they have gotten over the loud noise.

My post about pigeons is a FACT apposed to your opinion about turkey vultures.

Also... Shuttle launches have only been around since about 1969. And shuttle launches do not happen every day. Usually once every 2 years or once a year. Apposed to pigeons being around humans since the existence of humans.

Originally posted by captinofcats
Also look guys think about this rationally..these people dont seem to be too professional in that when the rocket takes off they are yelling and cheering etc..so dont you think if something really strange was going on around the rocket..they might just try and focus a little more on it rather then completely ignoring a UFO flying around in close proximity to the rocket? i know i would change my focus.

If you listen carefully everyone was still keeping their eyes on the shuttle, and waiting for the solid rocket booster jettison, the second most dangerous part of the whole shuttle launch. The camera taking the video i posted was on a tripod, which doesn't usually have a vertical view range.

[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Thermals are BUBBLES of hot air that rise because they are lighter than the cold air around them. In the case of this shuttle launch there is no BUBBLES

How do you come to the conclusion that there are none?

NN

Originally posted by NoNik

How do you come to the conclusion that there are none?

NN

Simply by looking at infrared images of a rocket launch...

www.spitzer.caltech.edu...

[edit on 12-6-2006 by LAES YVAN]

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Maybe you all should do a little reading about Thermals. They dont tend to form around water, which the shuttle launchpad is around. Also is was scattered clouds and sprinkling rain a bit before the shuttle launched that day, thermals tend to no exists when the ground or atmosphere is cold. thermals are rising heat.

Are you for real?

The most powerful man-made rocket in use today has just taken off, do you not think that there is ALOT of air moving around at this point in time?

Your arguement has basically disappeared into your rocket plume and wont re-appear like your ufo's!

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
My post about pigeons is a FACT apposed to your opinion about turkey vultures.

Also... Shuttle launches have only been around since about 1969. And shuttle launches do not happen every day. Usually once every 2 years or once a year. Apposed to pigeons being around humans since the existence of humans.

Actually your claim is just as opinion based.
You took the fact some Pigeons were taken into use and transfused that over the entire Pigeon species, which is wrong, as not all were used.
Even if they were, Pigeons have had long enough away from this 'service' for this response to have been weened out of them.
The Turkey Vultures would still hold living memory of the last Shuttle Launch, remembering, instinctively what happened.

See still you have yet to bring forth any actual evidence that this was not Birds when most of the people here have said that it is, and of all the places this is the one place people are aching for 'Proof' so they would have all watched and re-watched.
Deny Ignorance, secrets and Laes

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Also... Shuttle launches have only been around since about 1969.

The first shuttle launch was in 1981

The camera taking the video i posted was on a tripod, which doesn't usually have a vertical view range.

[1] Video tripods DO usually have multi-directional pivots. Be about a worthless tripd without field of view manipulation.
[2] If what you say would be true, how do you figure the camera of the vid you posted is moving vertically? The camera man tipping the tripod back?

Your, um, facts are getting more outlandish. Does this crap just come to you naturally, or do you sit and think them up?

NN

Originally posted by ISJ


Are you for real?

The most powerful man-made rocket in use today has just taken off, do you not think that there is ALOT of air moving around at this point in time?

Your arguement has basically disappeared into your rocket plume and wont re-appear like your ufo's!

There is no doubt in my mind there is heat coming from that shuttle. But I REALLY REALLY doubt those "BIRDS" climbed that high on a thermal created by the shuttle. You can watch yourself...

Originally posted by LAES YVAN


How do you come to the conclusion that there are none? = NoNik



Simply by looking at infrared images of a rocket launch...

www.spitzer.caltech.edu...

Opps , But those are IR images of a Shuttle Launch at 1:35 am !

There wouldn't be any thermals that late at night as thermals are generated by sunlight warming air near the ground.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
Turkey vultures usually have a wingspan of about 72 inches.....

so knowing that...can we rule out or not the possibility that those are birds by comparing the size of the objects and the known size of the birds????

Yeah we could if there were any reference points in the film but there arent.

Thats the mistake that Laes is making, he is using the plume of smoke which moves and changes size, as his reference for size and altitude. That is why he has mistaked what are clearly birds for some sort of UFO.

Originally posted by NoNik

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Also... Shuttle launches have only been around since about 1969.

The first shuttle launch was in 1981

The camera taking the video i posted was on a tripod, which doesn't usually have a vertical view range.

[1] Video tripods DO usually have multi-directional pivots. Be about a worthless tripd without field of view manipulation.
[2] If what you say would be true, how do you figure the camera of the vid you posted is moving vertically? The camera man tipping the tripod back?

Your, um, facts are getting more outlandish. Does this crap just come to you naturally, or do you sit and think them up?

NN

Apollo 1 Launch Date: January 27, 1967, 8:31 AM EST


I know tripods have multi-directional pivots.. but do they reach FULL VERTICAL? No, they most likely have limits. My point was, the camera tripod probably reached its vertical pivot limit.

whats to say the thermal image camera is setup for detecting slight temperature changes (thermals) surely it would be configured to detect the srb and main engine operating temperatures, in say increments of 100 degrees?

Then thermals or no thermals they wouldn't be shown

Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Maybe you all should do a little reading about Thermals. They dont tend to form around water, which the shuttle launchpad is around. Also is was scattered clouds and sprinkling rain a bit before the shuttle launched that day, thermals tend to no exists when the ground or atmosphere is cold. thermals are rising heat.

Perhaps you should consider the "thermal" effect surrounding the smoke plume resulting from the SS's HUGE rocket engines. I am sure the surrounding air was significantly "heated" as opposed to the mean ambient temperatures and conditions in the outer vicinity. A sort of localized thermal activity, if you will?!

coupled with the "actual" altitude and position of the objects/birds in proportion to the SS's smoke plume, I still contend that the camera's position, perspective and capabilities is where the visual deceptions lie.

Again, IMO, They are on the camera side of the smoke plume, at a much lower altitude than that portion of the plume [read: background] would suggest, and therefore, if you attempt to gauge their speed based on the altitude/distance/size of the SS's smoke plume it would seem they are flying at a much greater speed than they actually are.

Consider the multitude of images which SEEM to show near mid-air collisions of Large commercial aircraft when in fact they are 1000's of feet apart. In the end, it's all proportionate to camera position, distance and perspective.

A valiant effort LAES YVAN. I can appreciate your tenacity and steadfast diligence while providing support for your "theory/perspective". However, it does seem that in the process you have unwittingly engaged and married said theory.

Can I propose an annulment ?!

Originally posted by lost_shaman

Opps , But those are IR images of a Shuttle Launch at 1:35 am !

There wouldn't be any thermals that late at night as thermals are generated by sunlight warming air near the ground.

My point was, there is no way a bird could ride the heat coming from a shuttle, It doesn't rise like a thermal would. Although it does rise, it would COOL within minutes, no allowing the birds to ride for long, if at all.