Isreal Murders 9 on the day of Prayer

Yet again we see state - sponsored murder of peaceful people conducted by the zionist killers of Isreal.

I wonder what excuses / justifications we'll hear to to defend these crimes.

Palestinians killed on Gaza beach

TV pictures suggest a family was on a picnic when the disaster struck
Six people, including three children, have been killed by Israeli shells which hit a beach in the northern Gaza Strip, Palestinian officials say.
They say at least 25 people were wounded in the shelling.

The Israeli military says it has halted all shelling of Gaza and has launched an inquiry into whether ground-based artillery could have been involved.

Three other people were also killed in an Israeli air strike in northern Gaza on Friday, Palestinians said.

news.bbc.co.uk...


I hope the Jewish killers and their US paymasters feel happy with their day's work

LOL,

Agenda? NAAAHHH!

How many kids have the plalistinians killed this week? How many random rockets have they fired into Israel with the hopes of killing anybody at all?

Your "news" report fails to mention any of that.

And this:

I hope the Jewish killers and their US paymasters feel happy with their day's work

I hope you can substantiate that, that’s quite an accusation, id say an outright unsupportable bit of slander even. You know, posting knowingly false information is against the TOS, have anything to back up that claim?



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[edit on 9-6-2006 by skippytjc]

Originally posted by Strangerous
Yet again we see state - sponsored murder of peaceful people conducted by the zionist killers of Isreal.

I wonder what excuses / justifications we'll hear to to defend these crimes.

I hope the Jewish killers and their US paymasters feel happy with their day's work

Life does not seem to be precious these days. What to do. When there are bombings in israel and innocent people are killed it is just as bad.

Im not defending either side right now but is it not also murder when there are suicide bombings in israel?

I dont feel that things will get any better with a hamas led government. Unless there is positive dialogue without one side threatening to "wipe out" the other we will keep seeing these kind of actions.

-Reason

Yet again we see state sponsered attacks on a peaceful people conducted by islamic extremists of Palestine on Israel.

I wonder the excsues/justifications of the rocket attacks on Israel, and how they can defend there crimes.

story.iraqsun.com...
(Talks about Israel responding to rocket attacks, conviently left out in the above post.)


I hope the Islamic and Arab paymasters/pawn masters feel happy for there days work.

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Nice to pick up on one side of the story. So I gave you another view just as legitimate. I can find a counter story on the net to prove you can have an appearent agenda and not possibily care about the whole story.



I feel bad that civilians died. If Israeli civilians died from the rocket attacks in Israel would you feel bad? Or would you feel joy?

Those are characters in humanity you need to answer.



Both sides do not know how to stop the violence as the hatred runs too deep. Your view is clearly anti Jewish. I feel more closer to the middle, but people who whitewash the news want me to lean more the other way.

The solution? Who knows, but many people will continue to die becuase of such hatred?

When will peace become a better option than hate and useless death.

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Originally posted by skippytjc
LOL,

Agenda? NAAAHHH!

How many kids have the plalistinians killed this week? How many random rockets have they fired into Israel with the hopes of killing anybody at all?

Your "news" report fails to mention any of that.

acually the Israelis have in the past and continue to murder more palestinian civilians at about 3:1 ratio to palestinian suicide bombings.

Originally posted by skippytjc
And this:

I hope the Jewish killers and their US paymasters feel happy with their day's work

I hope you can substantiate that, that’s quite an accusation, id say an outright unsupportable bit of slander even. You know, posting knowingly false information is against the TOS, have anything to back up that claim?

what about this claim is insubstantial? the part about jewish killers, because that would be a stupid thing to dispute given the information. or the part about US paymasters, the US are Israel's paymasters, the only thing missing in that statement is that the US isn't the only paymaster but the statement is completely valid.

Israel halts artillery fire on Qassam missile sites in northern Gaza after Palestinians claim 14 civilian casualties

June 9, 2006, 8:18 PM (GMT+02:00)

Naval and air strikes continue in concentrated Israeli counter-offensive to halt ongoing missile attacks on Israeli towns. After another three missiles hit Sderot Friday, Israeli generals said the IDF regrets any loss of Palestinian civilian lives but is obligated to defend Israeli civilians against massive Qassam bombardment. The military is investigating the possibility of an artillery shell accidentally hitting civilians instead of a nearby missile site.

Another strike from the air targeted a Hamas official for the first time in many months after its operatives took part in two missile attacks from Gaza.

A third struck a Palestinian missile crew in the act of firing on Sderot. All three crewmen were killed.

Last Sunday, June 4, the Olmert government decided to place Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza under direct Israeli bombardment if the Palestinian missile offensive against Sderot does not cease. That was the first time Israel gave the Palestinians an ultimatum to drop the Qassam bombardment or expose Beit Hanun to a balance of terror.
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As always innocent people die when others extol the virtues of violence. Do the Arabs care where there missles hit?

Murder is murder and I wouldn't justify it ever.

BUT - this is state sponsored murder carried out by a supposed bastion of democracy. Isreali murders are always justified as responses to extremism, killing people in the act of firing missiles etc etc.

Often it's hard to confirm / deny their claims but this time there's no excuse / justification and we see them for what they are - a military power carrying out genocide using US funds to murder innocent people.

No honour for the zionists or their paymasters in this sorry, bloody episode.



BTW why is posting a BBC report against ATS rules? - just because it upsets your happy la-la-land FOX view of the world / right & wrong don't try and mis-quote the rule book at me!

Originally posted by skippytjc
LOL,

Agenda? NAAAHHH!

How many kids have the plalistinians killed this week? How many random rockets have they fired into Israel with the hopes of killing anybody at all?
[edit on 9-6-2006 by skippytjc]

[edit on 9-6-2006 by skippytjc]

Great justification! Terrorist kill Innocent Isrealies so you think its ok for the Isreali army to murder innocents in return. Thats some wonderfull logic you have you pig.

Originally posted by Wask

Great justification! Terrorist kill Innocent Isrealies so you think its ok for the Isreali army to murder innocents in return. Thats some wonderfull logic you have you pig.

Now, Now, nobody has to bring swine into the discussion here.

Again, what came first? chicken? egg? These Jews and Arabs have been at it for quite some time now, like, a couple thousand years.....No surprise the killing continues. So, what do you think, if the Jew lays down his weapon, would the Arab allow him to live in peace? OR should the Arab lay down his weapon, would the Jew allow him to live in peace? What if one psycho killed another, would that not just get the ball rolling again? 'Tis a vicious cycle, near biblical in proportion.

I am not saying i agree with the tactics implied by the palestinians, I'm sure you have heard this before but with US funding the Israelis have this war beat. The palestinians are striking back anyway they can. I personally dont think the palestinian militants are trying to kill innocent people.

but, unlike israel, they dont have laser guides or planes. so, and im sure i will get my head bitten off for this, the Israelis should be held more accoutable for civilian casualties than the palestinians. Also, lets not forget who started this war.

Originally posted by sbob
story.iraqsun.com...

...rockets fired before dawn hit a car in a parking lot and another landed on a pedestrian walkway...Qassam scored a direct hit on a classroom in a Sderot high school, but nobody was hurt in the incident

thing i dont get is why these palestinian militants dont try to be smarter and say go for israels industry instead of shooting rockets into empty cars or classrooms...

im not saying they should but say they bombed intels plant...and forced them to relocate...wont it hurt israels economy and have more impact than bombing a car...

imo they shld quit screwing around and up the ante...if they have so many "willing" to die for the cause...why not send a suicide bomber everyday into israel for a whole year and let em have it...

fret not...imo israel shld do the same with their high tech military...destroy the palestinians...

the sooner one side wins decidedly or both sides lose very badly...the better off for the rest fo the world...they need to reach an all time low before anyone is willing to change...otherwise palestinians and israelis will never co-exist peacefully imo...

Originally posted by daedalas
I personally dont think the palestinian militants are trying to kill innocent people.

Are you out of your friggin mind? How dare you print this inexcusable rubbish! Let's just strap this bomb to your ass and you go walk into a pizza parlor or club full of...what? Innocent people are their only targets! That's because the Palestininans are weak scum bags and have chosen an evil and unjustifiable path. Support who you will and accept the guilt. There's plenty to go around...

The truth is simple, the land Israel is stealing belongs to the Palestinean people and the American gov. has financed a geat deal of the theft. This has nothing to do with discrimination against Jews, who the media trys to continually portray as the victims in all of this.

While anyone can see there are now casulties on both sdes, the original crime and continues to be the crime is the continous theft of Palestinean lands by the Israeli gov.. This has nothing to do with anyone discriminating against Jews, the Palestinean people are being oppressed and continually losing their lands to a gov. and country that has no legal rights to even be there.

Originally posted by Earlybird
Are you out of your friggin mind? How dare you print this inexcusable rubbish! Let's just strap this bomb to your ass and you go walk into a pizza parlor or club full of...what? Innocent people are their only targets! That's because the Palestininans are weak scum bags and have chosen an evil and unjustifiable path. Support who you will and accept the guilt. There's plenty to go around...

I love it. Innocent civilians are killed but because they are Palestinians its ok and it was an accident even though this kind of thing happens a lot, and if someone makes the same statement about Palestinians protecting themselves you have a fit and make a inuendo that they are terrorists that should strap a bomb to themselves. If the Palestinians are "weak scumbags" then what does that make the Israeli government for exposing their citizenry to this kind of thing? Shouldn't they do something besides kill innocent people to put a stop to this? Are Israeli lives worth that much more then Palestinian lives? Its both sides, not just one thats guilty. If you call all Palestinians terrorists and take offense at the Israeli government being called the same you are just being one-sided. Everytime they drop a bomb that says Made in the USA or a ship thats marked with Made In Germany it involves everyone that is supplying them with the technology. Its not just Israel anymore these people are targetting.

This is a new definition of 'accident' I presume?

'Oops, Sarge those shells we've been firing all day at that beach in another country have gone and killed a family. What on earth were they doing on the beach on their day off? Oh well it was just an accident and luckily they were only Palestinians, not real people. Next target that hospital'

Keep up the fight Pieman, the FOX viewers have sucked up so much BS they seem very confused about the history and reality of what the US is doing with all the money they send to Nazi Isreal. Hence some of the toss you've had to refute.

Strange Judah hasn't been on here telling us it's all a filthy Palestinian plot blowing themselves up and putting the blame on the brave & heroic IDF - who are known the World over for their restraint and humanitarian efforts.

S

Originally posted by Earlybird

Originally posted by daedalas
I personally dont think the palestinian militants are trying to kill innocent people.

Are you out of your friggin mind? How dare you print this inexcusable rubbish! Let's just strap this bomb to your ass and you go walk into a pizza parlor or club full of...what? Innocent people are their only targets!

lets finish the statement shall we...

but, unlike israel, they dont have laser guides or planes.

that was implying that the palestinian rockets and shelling are inaccurate and maybe they dont care if they hit Israelis but i dont think that those are their main targets. As far as the people who strap bombs to themselves, they are obviously targeting civilians. I was more referring to the more organized military side of palestine.

Originally posted by Earlybird
That's because the Palestininans are weak scum bags and have chosen an evil and unjustifiable path. Support who you will and accept the guilt. There's plenty to go around...

A palestinian is not an evil weak scum bag, they are human beings. you think that just because you slap a name on one chunk of land and a different name on another that the two people are a different species? no, you attack these people as if you were something different, something better.

no doubt you will surely say that you aren't like these people because you dont blow yourself up. You were also born in a country that isn't impoverished or wartorn. The biggest peer pressure you had to deal with was drinking and drugs. Peer pressure in palestian is being raised to hate the Israelis in your home, with your friends, and even in school. You hope you will win the lottery today, palestinians hope they wont have a artillery shell land on their head. You played cops and robbers when you were a kid, palestinian children play kill the Israelis where the winner pretends to kill himself to kill the Israelis (really!).

So you grew up in palestine, you were taught that if you kill yourself to kill infidels you will go straight to heaven, be glorified and celebrated by the populace and have your picture put on a wall in the city (true). You learn all about Israel and its atrocities over the years in school and how they are responsible for your living conditions. you play kill the Israelis, as mentioned earlier, with your friends every day after school. you come of age and the local militants (some of your friends and others around your age) ask you to join their paramilitary group.

might your views change a little if you were from palestine. Its really easy to sit back in your safe country and critisize those of a different, not so safe country, a different religion, a different upbringing and just say "well thats stupid". Think of it from that perspective if you think you can lower yourself to that level of thinking.

people have used the "how many people have the palestinians killed argument in here"

too lazy to quote...

anyway

it's pretty much accepted that israelis have killed about 3 palestinian civilians for every 1 civilians palestinians have killed. it's not that hard to believe when you consider the gap in military devices. the israelis have some of the most advanced weapons in the world, the palestinians have... guys with improvised bombs strapped to their chest and rpgs held together by tape...

the israeli military has a policy of near immediate retaliation to almost all suspected attacks.

the palestinians and israelis are mutually guilty for all the conflict and death in the area

the united states media shows the israelis as these horribly victimized people ravaged by the demonic palestinians. very unbiased media we've go there.

Everything going according to the Zionist plan;

Put all Palestinians in a small area or zone (in this case Gaza Strip);

Evacuate all Isreali civilians (hey, didn't that happen last year?);

Use that small area or zone as a Military firing Range;

Fire Artillery, Missiles, Bombs - anything you wish upon this area or zone;

Call that "PEACE PROCESS".



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Originally posted by Souljah
Put all Palestinians in a small area or zone (in this case Gaza Strip);

Evacuate all Isreali civilians (hey, didn't that happen last year?);

Use that small area or zone as a Military firing Range;

While that may have been their plan Souljah, its success may be a different story. I honestly believe the good people here in the USA will not tolerate nor continue to support such a thing any longer in order to satisfy a small group of people. If we were more supportive of Palestinians in gaining freedom and a home of their own, we would accomplish so much more and have less resistance in our Mideast endeavors. Iran and Syria would have no reason to feel they need to stave us off in Iraq, and Iran would not be a worry to us as far as their energy aspirations go, as well as many of the Oil producing countries would be more then happy to accomodate us with our oil needs. The sooner we realise that Israel is not a necessary factor in achieving our goals in the Mideast the quicker we will see positive results.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
While that may have been their plan Souljah, its success may be a different story. I honestly believe the good people here in the USA will not tolerate nor continue to support such a thing any longer in order to satisfy a small group of people. If we were more supportive of Palestinians in gaining freedom and a home of their own, we would accomplish so much more and have less resistance in our Mideast endeavors. Iran and Syria would have no reason to feel they need to stave us off in Iraq, and Iran would not be a worry to us as far as their energy aspirations go, as well as many of the Oil producing countries would be more then happy to accomodate us with our oil needs. The sooner we realise that Israel is not a necessary factor in achieving our goals in the Mideast the quicker we will see positive results.

Well I am sorry to tell you, but the "Good People" are kind of Not in control. The Pro-Israeli Lobby in Washington, with all the Pro-Israeli Think-Tank is practicly Running Washington and the US foreign politics in the Middle East. Isreal is most important USA ally in the Middle East and a Fortress of Zionism, which must, has and will be defended at all cost - mostly the cost of Lives of Palestinian People. That's why the Pro-Isreali lobbys are actually Hijacking Hearts and Minds of the American People. Ask yourself, how many times a death of a Palestinian Child is reported in USA Corporate mainstream news.

And IF Americans Only Knew the Real Numbers, which are repeatedly hidden from them, they would turn against the foreign US politics regarding Israeli-Palestine conflcit.

But that is not likely to happen.

Why?

Let me name a "Few" Factors:

American Israel Public Affairs Committee
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Middle East Media Research Institute
Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
Washington Institute for Near East Policy

Well that sure is Alot of Think-Tanks for one certain Region ey?

Pro-Isreali Hawks OWN Washington!

The pro-Israel lobby, whose principal Jewish component is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), became a significant force in shaping public opinion and US Middle East policy after the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. Its power was simultaneously enabled and enhanced by Israel's emergence as a regional surrogate for US military power in the Middle East in the terms outlined by the 1969 Nixon Doctrine. In the 1970s and 1980s, the lobby was able to unseat representatives and senators who could not be counted on to support Israel without qualification, such as Sen. Charles Percy (R-IL), Rep. Paul Findley (R-OH) and Rep. Pete McCloskey (R-CA). In 2002, the pro-Israel lobby successfully targeted African-American representatives Earl Hilliard (D-AL) and Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) for defeat in Democratic primaries. Hilliard and McKinney were both vulnerable for reasons unrelated to Israel. McKinney, for instance, was defeated in part because the open primary allowed Republicans angered over her comments about the September 11 attacks to cross over and vote against her in the Democratic primary. Nonetheless, their defeat enhanced the impression that the pro-Israel lobby wields great power in electoral politics.

And the History of Zionst Influence On The US War Machine sure is Long...

TEL AVIV'S INFLUENCE ON AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy influences the thinking of the United States government and has a near monopoly on the supply of "expert" witnesses to the media. After almost two decades of relative moderation, the institute is now drifting towards the Israeli right.

Winep has close links with both leading Democrats and Republicans. Its first major success was the publication of the report Building for Peace: An American Strategy for the Middle East on the eve of the 1988 presidential elections. The report urged the incoming administration to "resist pressures for a procedural breakthrough [on Palestinian-Israeli peace issues] until conditions have ripened"

Six members of the study group that produced the report joined the administration of President Bush Sr, which adopted this recipe: Not to change until change was unavoidable. So the US acceded to Israel's refusal to negotiate directly with the Palestine Liberation Organisation during and after the 1991 Madrid conference despite the PLO's recognition of Israel at the November 1988 session of the Palestine National Council.

The Clinton administration continued this policy. As a result, from 1991 to 1993, 11 rounds of US-sponsored negotiations between Israel and "non-PLO" Palestinians produced no result. When Israel became serious about negotiating with the Palestinians it met official PLO representatives in Oslo, behind the back of the Clinton administration. These talks resulted in the September 1993 Israeli-Palestinian declaration of principles.

But Bush Jr brought to Washington a clique of Middle East policy makers linked to Israel's Likud party and to neo-conservative hawkish think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute, the Project for a New American Century, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (Jinsa), and the Centre for Security Policy (CSP).

Vice President Dick Cheney, Undersecretary of State for arms control and international security John Bolton, and Undersecretary of Defence for policy Douglas Feith were all on Jinsa's board of advisers before they entered the Bush administration: in all, 22 CSP associates secured positions in the Bush national security apparatus.

As you can see the Pro-Isreali Zionist Lobbies have their people everywhere - in Republican and Democrat ranks and it really has no importance at all who is the President and which party rules the times, the effects are always the same.

But that is the GRAND Plan of the Globalists - for they just Must control the Isreali state, use both, Jewish and Palestine people as peons on the table to further fortify their politricks in the Middle East and to keep supporting the Injustices over the people of Palestine in the territory which is still under ILLEGAL occupation since 1967.