Der Spiegel Magazine Interviews Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

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SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH IRAN'S PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD

"We Are Determined"

In an interview with SPIEGEL, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad discusses the Holocaust, the future of the state of Israel, mistakes made by the United States in Iraq and Tehran's nuclear dispute with the West.
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SPIEGEL: Well, we are conducting this historical debate with you for a very timely purpose. Are you questioning Israel's right to exist?

Ahmadinejad: Look here, my views are quite clear. We are saying that if the Holocaust occurred, then Europe must draw the consequences and that it is not Palestine that should pay the price for it. If it did not occur, then the Jews have to go back to where they came from. I believe that the German people today are also prisoners of the Holocaust. Sixty million people died in the Second World War. World War II was a gigantic crime. We condemn it all. We are against bloodshed, regardless of whether a crime was committed against a Muslim or against a Christian or a Jew. But the question is: Why among these 60 million victims are only the Jews the center of attention?
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SPIEGEL: The Europeans support the Palestinians in many ways. After all, we also have an historic responsibility to help bring peace to this region finally. But don't you share that responsibility?

Ahmadinejad: Yes, but aggression, occupation and a repetition of the Holocaust won't bring peace. What we want is a sustainable peace. This means that we have to tackle the root of the problem. I am pleased to note that you are honest people and admit that you are obliged to support the Zionists.

SPIEGEL: That's not what we said, Mr. President.

Ahmadinejad: You said Israelis.

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Not only is the Iranian president showing his lack of knowledge on the history of the "region" called Palestine, but it shows his disdain for Jewish people, and it also shows contrary to what some people have been saying, that he sees all Israeli people as Zionists, so when he calls for the destruction of Zionists, he is obviously calling for the destruction of all Israeli people.

Here are other articles which I can't update on the original story.

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[edit on 31-5-2006 by Muaddib]

So none of the members who were claiming not so long ago that the Iranian president was only talking about a small group of Jewish people when he says he wants the destruction of Zionism is responding to this?... I wonder why...

Originally posted by Muaddib
So none of the members who were claiming not so long ago that the Iranian president was only talking about a small group of Jewish people when he says he wants the destruction of Zionism is responding to this?... I wonder why...

LOL...thats how it works around here. Some ppl are fast to accuse Bush and defend AHMADINEJAD, but they are not so fast to appologise for wrongfull accusations oir asmite that they were simply worng , and that their Haterd Bush was ACTUALLY RIGHT about this "President" AHMADINEJAD.

AHMADINEJAD is a Neo-NAzi-Radical-Islamic-Pshcyo-Nut, that SADI MANY TIMES , his plan is to BLOW ISRAEL off the map, and anyone else who stands in his way. Sadly ... maybe due to fear...or just plain stupidity, som people rather believ that he "just makes up these things to get atention"

The same was said about Hitler, and thna the USA and the UK and to go and clean up the mess... and history is about to repeat itself.

But, once again.. while they are just "messing with the Jews"... not a problem..sad, sad, sad.

LOL...thats how it works around here. Some ppl are fast to accuse Bush and defend AHMADINEJAD, but they are not so fast to appologise for wrongfull accusations oir asmite that they were simply worng , and that their Haterd Bush was ACTUALLY RIGHT about this "President" AHMADINEJAD.

AHMADINEJAD is a Neo-NAzi-Radical-Islamic-Pshcyo-Nut, that SADI MANY TIMES , his plan is to BLOW ISRAEL off the map, and anyone else who stands in his way. Sadly ... maybe due to fear...or just plain stupidity, som people rather believ that he "just makes up these things to get atention"

The same was said about Hitler, and thna the USA and the UK and to go and clean up the mess... and history is about to repeat itself.

But, once again.. while they are just "messing with the Jews"... not a problem..sad, sad, sad.

What in god's name are you talking about? Did you even bother to read the article? No where in it has he said anything about destroying Israel.
Don't you get his logic? He isn’t denying the holocaust, in simple terms he is saying that if the holocaust occurred, then it is the fault of the Europeans … NOT the Palestinians. The Zionist state was created in Palestine, not Germany! So why do Palestinians have to suffer for this holocaust that has no relation whatsoever to Palestine?

But the Zionist state was created as a result of the holocaust in Palestine anyway, so by this logic it would mean that the holocaust never took place right? Get it?

He further states that the Europeans imprison anyone who questions the creditability of the holocaust, which further adds obscurity to the issue…

He merely asks that if the Holocaust did occur then the jews should have been the responsibilty of the Germans and the Europeans and not have been dumped on the Palestinians. Palestine had nothing to do with the holocaust, yet their land was where the jewish people decided to settle. Wars have been fought over less valid discrepancies, and I would understand and support a war against Israel if the Palestinians don't get their land back through diplomatic means. What some consider worthy of dying for one minute, is the bane of their existence the next. What changed in that minute?

Ahmadinejad has doubts about the holocaust, and wants an investigation into whether or not it happened, and who is to blame. Ahmadinejad's words ring true in this matter. If a neutral investigation is held, it can only reveal the truth. What the investigation might prove doesn't matter. Knowledge and exploration are not our enemies. Fear and ignorance are. Ahmedinejad is asking for nothing out of the ordinary. He is asking for simple answers to simple questions.

He also points out that 55 million or so people died in WWII yet why is it that only the Jews keep reminding the world of their suffering on an almost daily basis and can commit and get away with almost any act (moral or immoral) under it's carte blanche.

Please do not compare Bush to Ahmedinejad, if that man had 10% of this man's wit or intellect, America wouldn't be in such a #y situation right now.

I was also wondering why this post hasnt got much comments? This is a very good example of The Iranian president presenting his side of the matter in a clear and concise way. This should have got more coverage. Or is it because it doesnt include phrases such as "psycho islamic president", "death to isreal" and "durka durka mohammaad jihad" in the article?

BAM!!

You just knocked that one out of the park, AOP! I especially like the part about how WWII is constantly used by the Zionists.

You get a way above from me, kid.

Good post AOP,
I had thought this Iranisn president was a whack too. He might be the most honest lucid leader in the world currently. The Zionists have bilked ,to date, upwards of $268 billion out of the US and Germany since 47'. All peoples they can't control or pull the wool over are vilified at every turn.

Originally posted by Muaddib
So none of the members who were claiming not so long ago that the Iranian president was only talking about a small group of Jewish people when he says he wants the destruction of Zionism is responding to this?... I wonder why...

Are we obliged to answer every single piece of propaganda you seek to put forth Muaddib? This article is such an own-goal on your part it isnt funny.

Where to start, oh how about with this phrase?

We are against bloodshed, regardless of whether a crime was committed against a Muslim or against a Christian or a Jew.

Why do you seem to take Ahmadinejad fully at his word when you're contriving anti-semetism but when he categorically rejects bloodshed against Jews you ignore it? Why do you cherrypick what Ahmadinejad says? Is it to try and bolster the lie that Ahmadinejad wants to kill Jews? I think it is.

Iran has the second largest population of Jews in the Middle East, second only to Israel. How do you explain this? Why have the Jews of Iran not migrated en masse to Israel? Surely its not the Iranian government preventing them from leaving if they're neo-nazis. Is the Israeli government denying them citizenship? Or could it be that they dont want to leave Iran because the government is not neo-nazi in the slightest?

Ahmadinejad has never said Israel should be wiped off the map, he has always spoke about the Zionists. Zionists are not representative of Judaism and they do not speak for all Jews. They are terrorists-made-good who terrorised the British into giving them Palestine then when the same tactics are used against them they cry foul.

You reap what you sow goddamnit!

Very good interwiev. The Iranian president handled it rather well and he is quite eloquent if I may say so. But I miss couple of questions about Russian and Chinese role in this "middle east conflict".

As for the Holocaust.
The victims of the Holocaust were Jews, Serbs, Poles, Russians and other Slavic nations, Communists, homosexuals, Roma (also known as gypsies), the mentally ill and the physically disabled, intelligentsia and political activists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasons, some Catholic and Protestant clergy, trade unionists, psychiatric patients, some Africans, common criminals, people labeled as "enemies of the state", and many who did not belong to the Aryan race. These victims all perished alongside one another in the camps, according to the extensive documentation left behind by the Nazis themselves (written and photographed), eyewitness testimony (by survivors, perpetrators, and bystanders), and the statistical records of the various countries under occupation.

I disagree with him that Holocaust did't happen. It happened alright. But I agree with him that the Zionists played the extermination of Jews card too many times. They used this tragedy to implant some sort of collective shame in us all.
We all know who were the victims and who were the executioners. The real question IMO oppinion is who is the real mastermind in this Jewish tragedy. The word Holocaust in its Greek root means sacrifice to good/s through fire and I personally think that the Jews were deliberately sacrified by Zionist to achieve their old dream of creation of the state of Israel.
But this type of thinking and rhetoric is dangerous. It's the perfect subject for manipulation.
The latest reminder was blody and genocidal war in former Yugoslavia in 1990's where all sides were settling a 50 year old score.

Good read there. It confirms my expectations about Ahmadinejad, as well as the smear campaign by the western media.

He wants Israel back for the Palestinians and questions Zionist rule for the past 60 years. He questions the validity of an attack on the Middle-East by the Western Alliance, and made legitimate remarks in his letter to GWB.

I must say I like him. He is straight up, and says bold things at times to provoke discussion. At least you know where he stands. I sincerely do not think he would drop a nuke on Tel Aviv in the name of Allah and to accomodate the Palestinians.

Nuking Israel would mean that all of that land would be uninhabitable, so what´s the point of doing that if the goal is getting Palestine back to the Palestinians?

No, he questions the state of Israel, and the power Zionism has had for the last 60 years. In his mind he wants Israel off the map, and give the land back to the Palestinians. Literally.

On a side note; there were several references of the German Spiegel reporter saying "Now that America has all but lost the war in Iraq". Interesting. What would George say?

Great post AOP

You have voted AccidentallyOnPurpose for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

I don't care if 4 mil, 6 mil, or 10 mil jews were killed, what matters is killing innocents is a crime against humanity and must be stopped, whether it is Nazis killing jews or zionists killing palestinians.

What is more interesting is that When Israeilis kill it is retaliation but when palestinians hit back, it is terrorism.

Keep It Real

Very well said AOP, I have been lurking these boards for a while, but you made me register just so I can vote you for way above.

Originally posted by proprog
Great post AOP

You have voted AccidentallyOnPurpose for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

I don't care if 4 mil, 6 mil, or 10 mil jews were killed, what matters is killing innocents is a crime against humanity and must be stopped, whether it is Nazis killing jews or zionists killing palestinians.

What is more interesting is that When Israeilis kill it is retaliation but when palestinians hit back, it is terrorism.

Keep It Real

I like this thread, I did'nt think the subject of jews and Zionism was allowed on this forum, My view on the "crisis" being created in Iran is this.

The mossad will repeat what they have doing to the world at large somewhere and at sometime, meaning plant sort of Terrorist attack and pionting the evidence toward Iran, If history indeed repeats itself, we are in grave danger here in America, WW3 is not in our best interest, I personally think the "ELITE MASTERS" of this world are controlling Ahmadinejad behind the scenes, I have a bit of suspicion he's a high level Islamic Mason.

judicial-inc.biz...

Go get em' killer. Great thread, right on time with the information out there. But in between all the Zionist realities and b*** S*** why does everyone want that particular piece of land? Is there something buried there or what? Is it the three L's? Location, Location, Location. All paths lead to the same river.
what's really going on? Quite simplistic in nature, the question is so complicated. I give up. No I dont'. Help me on this one, AOP

Good Question. Basically the Jews claim that they have lived in this land for thousands of years and thus it is rightfully theirs. To do justice to this claim lets first analayze the situation from Ahmadinejad's view and then follow it up with some research validating t.

How would you feel if the powers that be, carved up your back yard and handed it
to a bunch of people from another continent on some claims that are found in an
ancient book? Israel was not "home" to these people, they were citizens of europe
for centuries. For some the only ties they had to that land was the religion
they followed. So he does kind of have a point there. It should of been Europe's
responsibility to properly compensate them at home.

For eg, The roma wasn't given a country and they were singled out for extinction as well. In czechia, 90% of the gypsies were exterminated. One large roma concentration camp is now a pig farm. No memorial, everything was bulldozed and forgotten. I'm not saying this is right, on the contrary. But seriously, why didn't european countries instead work to absolve the anti-semiticism and integrate their jews into society? No, much easier just to deport them to a new country. You kill two birds with one stone - 1, it absolves the guilt, 2, it removes the problem of dealing with their own anti-semiticism. So, why should the palestinians have to pay the
price? That is a legitimate argument.

Secondly lets explore the claims of jews being "the rightful owners" of the land because they have been there for thousands of years.

wakeupfromyourslumber.blogsp...iran-world.html...

The so-called "jews" that you and most people refer to, are NOT
semetic. Semetic people" are what people nowadays refer to as Palestinians.
Yes, that's right , the people from the land in the middle east, who have
lived there for thousands of years have BROWN SKIN, and are commonly known as ARABS. The Palestinians and the other arab people in the middle east have NOT gone anywhere -- they have kept and tended to THEIR LAND for eons.

There was a genetic similarity experiment, that uncovered that the true 'israelis' (aka 'semites') who chose to remain in Palestine/Israel for the last 2000 years, are genetically INDISTINGUISHABLE from Palestinians (aka, one and the same).

Now, can you guess who forced this scientific paper to be REMOVED?

Besides you don't need any fancy DNA test to tell you this obvious fact. Just
look at those who claim they are Jews with "Israeli" blood -- they are WHITE,
that's right, you have the Arabs/Palstinians who are BROWN, and then you
have these people who are white and they claim they are the true/chosen ones...

Who are they kidding?! They are WHITE, several hundred of years ago, the
ruler of the land now known as Khazar (southwest USSR or "far-eastern" europe,
look it up on the map) were losing their grip on their people. And what better
way those hundred of years ago (as it is true now, just observe the
"fundamental" christian/muslim/jew mass hysteria happening today), than to
impose (back then by force) to convert all civilian to Judaism.

These same Khazar (also referred to as Ashkenazi in old literature) have among them the 'Bauer' family (which changed it's name to the 'Rothschild' (i.e.
translated from German to mean "Red Sign", which was a 6-sided red star hung
over the family's business. There is significance the number 6, which from
traditional christian belief is the sign of the anti-christ (aka devil, b/c
christians believe that there 7 holy virtues, and 7 minus 1 = 6, which
symbolized Luthifer who was 'believed' to be once a most holy angel who through
lust fell from God's grace, thus he misses one of the 7 holy virtues) This same
sign was adopted as the symbol & flag of the newly created 'Israeli' nation,
much to the protest of many 'religious' rabbis at the time. This little fact of
history has often been neglected

Contd...

[edit on 5-6-2006 by AccidentallyOnPurpose]

Contd...

Let me give you an example ..A friend of mine claims he is 'Jewish', so I asked him what do you mean? By blood or by religion? He paused for a while and then confusingly said, both!. Now, I told him he was an European, and this was very obvious. He was a Redhead (aka from the UK/Ireland), no mistake about it. You put him in a crowd of Irishmen, and you wouldn't be able to tell him apart. But yet he insisted of being from semitic ancestory.

So why did I bring this up? It's because of the intentional confusion that the Zionist
community uses to brainwash their "chosen people".You can become a Jew (or marry one and thus are forced to convert), and then are led to believe you have "ancient Israeli blood", just like my friend I described earlier. Someone asks who who you are, you answer confidently that you are jewish, even if you are African (just like the lost 13th tribe in Ethiopia that later was "granted" Israeli citizenship and allowed to immigrate to 'Israel'/Palestine.


Why would the Zionists go through with all of the deception one may ask? Simple. Main reason:
-- Wolves in Sheep's clothing.
-- To wage war by way of deception

In the end this persecution complex serves the Zionists very well. It makes it much easier to kill/torture/rape a Palestinian or anyone who's is not a jew, since the perpetrators sincerely believe the "whole world is against them" philospiphy, that it's survival of the fittest -- and what can be more fitting than 'God's own chosen people'.

Dislclaimer- I have nothing against jews, infact I know many who are against the current occupation and just want to lead peaceful lives. All I have presented are some historical facts and Zionist propoganda.

Do you mean Lucifer is missing one of the 7 holy virtues, because he fell for lust, or mankind is missing one of the holy virtues. Which one is represented by the number 6?

Lucifer is missing one of the holy virtues because he fell for lust, pride or what have you. In Islam he's an outcast because he refused to bow to Man (an inferior creation) after being specifically commanded by God to do so. Mankind can be missing or having all these virtues because it's judgement unlike lucifer has yet to come. He has the power to choose. So basically Lucifer messed up and now he is trying to take as many people to hell with him as he can to keep him company. When he fell from grace he made a pact with God to be allowed free reign till the Day Of Judgement so he may lead astray as many of God's creations that he can. Ofcourse God gave man the power of free will knowing for sure that it will never be used to do wrong...

Here's more on the subject en.wikipedia.org...

You can check this link for the number association. en.wikipedia.org...

I find it alittle disturbing I agree with Ahmadinejad on atleast one point. Millions and Millions of non Jewish people died in those same death camps Poles, Russians among so many others. Yet when most people hear Holocaust - they think about it as if it only happened to the Jews.

IMHO if Jews had to get a New nation after WW2 it should have been in a section of Germany. But its spilled milk now they aint going anywhere.

Originally posted by Muaddib
So none of the members who were claiming not so long ago that the Iranian president was only talking about a small group of Jewish people when he says he wants the destruction of Zionism is responding to this?... I wonder why...

The pot calling the kettle black here. This is your thread Muaddib, are you going to avoid it since it didnt turn out quite exactly as planned?

Originally posted by AccidentallyOnPurpose

What in god's name are you talking about? Did you even bother to read the article? No where in it has he said anything about destroying Israel.
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The Iranian president has been quoted in the past proclaiming that he seeks the destruction of Zionism, and in this article you can see what "Zionism" means to him, all Israelis are Zionists to him.