EMP bomb... WOW

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Well, NORAD for example at the Cheyenne Mountain complex has six 1,700+ Kilowatt diesel generators for emergency use. Now the drawback to this is the amount of gasoline that you can store. Normally gasoline cannot be stored for more than a month without using a fuel stabilizing chemical, even then the shelf life is still relatively short. So even if the complex has an immense amount of gasoline stored inside it would still have to be renewed when its shelf life expires. But I’m sure they've though of something over the years.

So Shatter they can stay operational as long as you have gasoline and a good maintenance crew.

Just though of something, could the US build a small nuclear reactor (like those used on ships) inside the Cheyenne Mountain complex to provide a virtually limitless supply of electricity?


[edit on 29-5-2006 by WestPoint23]

The generators are probably diesel which has a vastly longer storage life than gasoline and such generators are significantly more fuel efficient in addition to being substantially more resistant to EMP due to their lack of spark ignition systems. A 600KVA generator consumes about 35 gallons of diesel per hour at 75% load, so if you triple that to estimate a 1700KVA generator's consumption, that would equate to 105 gallons per hour at 75% load. Likely, it wouldn't be loaded that heavily so fuel consumption could potentially be reduced to 70-80 gallons per hour since gensets are more fuel efficient at lesser loads; there would be multiple generators to spread the load out and provide rendundancy. I've seen co-located cell sites run a month on 500 gallons of diesel.

As for infrastructure, it's true that the power grids would be susceptible, but that is mainly due to the lengths of the transmission lines and those lines having inductive paths to grounds at the cogen and transformer facilities. Telephone central offices, particularly newer ones, are typically EMP hardened, have battery backup as well as generators on site thus making only their interfaces with customer land lines / POTS vulnerable. Most of the equipment operates on DC negative voltage in parallel with battery backups further hardening against EMP as the batteries will absorb substantial amounts of transient voltage/current induced by EMP/EMF. There are also significant amounts of spare parts isolated and ready to install. An ever increasing number of trunk lines are fiber-optic, making those mostly immune from EMP as well, save for isolated repeaters but those are typically either in hardened structures or underground.

Most anything not connected to ground would be immune from a low-level air-burst or other EMP unless the field strength was sufficiently strong to couple whatever to ground or other connected circuitry, or the charge was directed / concentrated at such objects. So vehicles and such would have to be within rather close proximity to a blast to be affected.



[edit on 6/9/2010 by abecedarian]

EMP's - Electro Magnetic Pulse's yeh thy really screw with electronics and are prety good if you send it in before a stealth operation to mess up there radar though the emp would kinda give you away.

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Thanks for bringing this up. I want all of you to think for a minute, what would American life be if TPTB set one of these bad boys off above our homeland? EVERYTHING that has a transistor in it stops immediately, and never works again, unless new parts are installed. A big pulse would also knock out the factories where the transistors are made. No more cash register, no more gas station pumps, no TV, computers, video game centers, and worst of all, no cars except those old enough to still have points ignitions. You could not buy groceries or fill the tank on your SUV, banks could not open their doors, let alone the vaults. Paper dollars would be worthless, there would be no FED to back them, and all credit card and mortgage debt would be gone, except for hard copy contracts.

I would say, based on what I know about the Illuminati, they may just use this to bring us under control. Another scenario would be if we the People rose up in Revolution. They could, and would, crush such a movement with a shock and awe that would make a war zone look like a Sunday picnic. The only way to defeat them is to use the very laws they abide by to take them out of their seats of power. Seize their assets under the RICO Act, and do everything legal.

EMP devices have been a long held obsession for me. In a time of a super power war when everthing is said and done civilians will have to go back to the old way of life at least for a little while until society recovers. The world will remake itself. We may find that china or russia is our new government or there might be some sort of hybrid american government that survives though America would most likely be split up into a bunch of small countries. Emp is better than a all out nuclear war but in a super power war I seriously doubt the public of both sides of the globe will get that lucky.

[edit on 10-6-2010 by Reactor]

The effects of high altitude nuclear air burst EMP vary greatly based on your source of information. In my opinion based on research some common ideas mainly the lose of high numbers of motor vehicles is a little overboard.

Not saying I am correct but from what I gather a large portion, 50%+, of vehicles would survive this type of event. The bigger problem is in our fuel production and distribution systems. Refineries would be off line and severely damage. Modern computer controlled pumps at distribution centers and gas stations would be fried and useless even if electricity could be delivered.

In some ways this would actually be worse then 99% of current vehicles being rendered obsolete since what fuel is available would be used even faster leaving all vehicles stranded operational or otherwise.

I read William Forstchen's One Second After. It scared the crap out of me. It is supposed to be technically accurate. It surprised me that in a topic about an attack using an EMP it did not get even a passing mention.

For those interested in the topic it might be a worthwhile read. I found it informative and it brought up a few things that I had not previously considered. Mostly: What do you do in such a large catastrophic disaster that leaves a population almost entirely intact only to suffer starvation and face life with 1800's medical capabilities.

I think that every government on earth is scared sh$%less of any type of emp attack. and for very good reason. It would do more damage to a country than any nukes could thats for sure. and alot cheaper and easier to make i presume.
probably why you never hear much about EMP's and the damage they do, we only hear about nukes nukes nukes... old technology i say. Still good if u wanna make a big boom tho but i dont agree with their use ethically.

You may find it interesting to look at the September 2001 cover of Popular Mechanics.

A link to the Popular Mechanics article by Jim Wilson: In the blink of an eye, electromagnetic bombs could throw civilization back 200 years. And terrorists can build them for $400.. is enclosed in a box part way down the page.


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When I read the article a few weeks before 9/11 it was interesting but I, like all Americans at the time, thought that terrorism was just something that happened "over there" After 9/11 the article became a very sobering reality of just how easy to fabricate and transport one of these things would be. Deployment and detonation would be nearly unlimited in ways.

Is this the same type of EMP bomb that they exploded in the movie "Ocean's Eleven"? I think they called it a "Pinch" for short and it was supposed to knock out all electronics at a casino so the robbers inside could pass by some laser motion detectors hindering them from getting into the main vault.

It seems like a pretty potent weapon as it does not cause death in a sense but does create a huge cripple-factor to the blast zone. Just think of the planet without electronics. We'd have to rely on only ourselves to survive.

[edit on 13-6-2010 by CDN King]

YEs this would be disastrous, but there are simple precautions that can prevent an EMP from damaging electronics, such as removing batteries or covering the device in certain metals that will block the electromagnetic pulse. For instance, you can create a small box with aluminum foil that would protect your cell phone in the case of a small EMP. So while these weapons seem dangerous, the reality is they can be very easily prevented from being destructive. It would probably destroy satellites and some forms of infrastructure, but then again, what is the chance that a missile would be able to get into the upper atmosphere without any country finding out.

You can easily shield your electronics with a Faraday cage. Super simple to make and cost about 10-cents. I've actually concealed my car's electronics box (ECU and such) in a faraday cage, and I plan on doing the same to my computer. My spare/backup hard drive is sitting in a faraday-cage inspired box.

More info can be found here:
What is a Faraday Cage?

Cheap and easy way

Fire one emp missile into the skies and a squadron of fighter aircrafts (even UFOs) will drop like flies.....

EMP bomb and so easy to construct.

the flux compression bomb,a tube with the copper windings
for the high voltage spike and an explosive to drive the windings
through some kind of electromagnet to crate a mass burst of
electromagnetic pulse.en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Xenophobe

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Just though of something, could the US build a small nuclear reactor (like those used on ships) inside the Cheyenne Mountain complex to provide a virtually limitless supply of electricity?

It would actually be easier to build a reactor at Cheyenne Mountain than it would on a ship or a sub, because there would be virtually no space limitations, and no weight restrictions.

I think it might be easier to just drop a shaft down farther into the mountain and use geothermal heat to drive a turbine. That would be good until the Earth cools down, which is a long way off.

Not to mention EMPs being used in several James Bond movies. It was the primary storyline in GOLDENEYE.

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you are corect but forgot to mention that during the deactivation of all the devices that 5 into this situatoin people who had board games would be playing them till theve been siting there for an hour with nothing working and would begi to panic after 3 hours, hever other than them other people would go into mass hestaria and also panic, then chaos. the EMP would only have an efect radius of oh say about 100 miles if it was a small one

Originally posted by ThaLoccster
High altitude nuclear test resulting in a fairly significant EMP.


Starfish Prime

Starfish Prime was a high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States of America on July 9, 1962, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) and the Defense Atomic Support Agency (which became the Defense Nuclear Agency in 1971). Launched via a Thor rocket and carrying a W49 thermonuclear warhead (manufactured by Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory) and a Mk. 4 reentry vehicle, the explosion took place 250 miles (400 kilometers) above a point 19 miles (31 kilometers) southwest of Johnston Island in the Pacific Ocean. It was one of five tests conducted by the USA in outer space as defined by the FAI. It produced a yield equivalent to 1.4 megatons of TNT.

Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse which was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP-damaged microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands

you might right!

i've pretty mch said all i know about EMPs and i dont think i can contrubit anything acept that i know how to build one ad i know russia i have conections and will help any that asks please ask me about EMPs i will answer most quetions but refuse some

Using EMP from an air burst nuke has been known about since the 1950's. As long as your devices are powered down, they should survive.

This is why it's good to keep about 1000 rounds for every firearm, as they are not effected by EMP, and will keep your family safe.

agreed if someone could pull off a emp over the entire country it would be utter chaos .. much military stuff is hardened and would be fine, however civilian stuff would fail .. depending on the strength of the blast.. imaging hi-ways full of car that wont run and no communication via phones etc..

Ive planned for this and have computers in farada cages and I have 3 vehicles that are EMP proof.. got to love old school diesels for that .. and enough fuel stored to last me along time.

I doubt a massive EMP would happen thats big enough to take out the entire country but i could see them being done over large cities...