Proof???

Okay I've been reading a lot of threads about the military base which supposedly holds alien beings : S4. But does anybody actually have real proof of that bases existence, except for Bob Lazar's interview? Or anyother ''underground'' bases (there is supposed to be around 75 if im not mistaken) that are supposedly all over america? I'm not a skeptic, but I find it hard to believe that there is many alien bases around America. So if anyone can just fill me in on the missing info plz. Thank you in advance


-Jimmy-

The only thing I've heard about actual proof of Aliens in underground bases is some head of security at Dulce got some papers and security tape out somehow and made copies of it and gave those copies to multiple people. These people are supposed to come forth with what they have to the media at some time. I don't know exactly how many years the Dulce story has been around but it's been around for a while. So from all I've read that's the only real proof that is supposed to be out there regarding underground alien bases.

Well there's the alien interview, the alien autopsy (although this didn't necessarily take place at S-4), numerous other ex-wokers who have come forward, strange stuff happening around that area, some has been recorded on video, further yet countless eyewitness reports of UFOs and other stuff like that from people living around the Nevada Test Site.

Not much in the recent years, as they of course realise that modern day media and all is extremely powerful, and they dare not risk that kind of attension.

Apparently, they only ever do thing at night when it's impossible to prove anything, and spy sats & cameras can't see anything.

In the recent years they have also taken much more space (extended the "no-go" zone) to include all the mountains in the area, so that it's impossible to go on high ground somewhere and have the possibility of seeing anything.

Plus the military security there is insanetely tough, and it's outside the realm of possibility to get anywhere near that place.

I remember there was a thread about special circumstances and whether planes are allowed to land there, if they have no other choice but crash. This doesn't seem to happen much, because the no-fly zone is so huge around there right now, that there are numerous airports closer to land in than Area 51 or Edwards Airbase (both there with the S-4 facility).

There were 2 or so cases a fairly long time ago, they made the few people in the aircraft wear blindfolds, they were taken to some hangar, interrogated, made to sign a non-disclosure agreement, and were driven out at some point in time, when they were ready, probably covered up everything secret.


Considering there is nothing which has come out of that place in many decades, and nothing apparently under development, while mega $$$ is still being poure into this facility, it is only logical to assume they are working with / on UFOs and aliens, and things relating to that.

Hell, even employee's there need to wear blind folds or are forced to look straight forward or they'll be shot!

these guys are nuts.

I thought the proof was in the eye of the beholder ?

Sometimes you might not like the answers you are looking for !

It's not so much "Hard Evidence" but what you want to believe !


There are also many hidden site's in the UK (but thats another story)


"Seek what you are looking for and it will be revealed"

Originally posted by d1k
The only thing I've heard about actual proof of Aliens in underground bases is some head of security at Dulce got some papers and security tape out somehow and made copies of it and gave those copies to multiple people. These people are supposed to come forth with what they have to the media at some time. I don't know exactly how many years the Dulce story has been around but it's been around for a while. So from all I've read that's the only real proof that is supposed to be out there regarding underground alien bases.

I will look into that one, and alll the others. Thank you, I just wanted to know if we had hard evidence of that base. Oh, and i have seen the alien interogation multiple times and i can say that it is inconclusive, even if ''Victor'' sounds convincing. Anyways thank you and i wil look into those cases.

I watched a program on discovery in which special effects people and physicists looks at it they said that aliens movements were more puppet like then life like. I also agree with them when i watched it I concluded pretty quick that the alien in the interview was a puppet.

Any expert can say that the alien's moves are more puppetwise then anything else, but have they ever seen a real alien move? I don't think so, so this video might very well be real. I think the video is inconclusive in verification or falsification. But when some ''experts'' say that an alien is moving like a puppet, when they have never seen an alien move (maybe aliens move like puppets in real life, noone knows!), it just bothers me a lot! I can move like a puppet, does that mean I'm not real?? I don't think so

I like your reply Jimmy. I totally agree with you. And what makes this so called expert, an "Expert"?!?! An expert in detecting real aliens? Come on! How many aliens has he detected in the past, in which he's basing his decision on? How silly. Expert indeed.

Glad we are on the same page Mr. Chipps, there hasn't been many authentic alien videos, if any, and its not alwasy the same person who looks into it, and what makes him so sure that he is right about it being a puppet? Is he a ventrilaquist? I can look at a video and say that its fake just because this or that, doesn't make me right, it is our own opinion that should influence us, and not others.

There is no real proof of S4. At least that Lazer guy said it's like 10-15 miles south of Area 51. I checked and there are some montains/hills to hid in there. Otherwise there is really no proof.

People now say Area 51 is being shut down. They say that there is radiation leaking through the ground and they could close hngers down for days to remove that radiation. Also less sonic booms and sightings have been reported. They say the alien/ufostuff in in multple bases in the US.

said to be a base in Dulce, but that's about it.

edit: just looked at my google earth and around 12 miles south of area 51 there is a road that plainly stops

[edit on 22-5-2006 by Rappa Z]

Interesting. Could we go that close? Or is there restricted area up to there?

"Any expert can say that the alien's moves are more puppetwise then anything else, but have they ever seen a real alien move? I don't think so, so this video might very well be real."

See heres the thing about the video and after watching it again today...

Anyways the supposed aliens movements are not organic and smooth they are jerky and puppet like. The aliens mouth is a key indicator and the way it moves. The video is aso so dark it is hard to make out the rest of it's body below the head. Besides if I were a highly advanced being and I were caught I would call my friends and if I could not I am sure they could assertain my position and once that happened I would order a full scale invasion and burn this planet to a crisp. It would be too dangerous to capture an ET and keep it a prisoner.

I can remember before the "Alien Autopsy" video was prooven to be hoaxed everyone beleived it and those of us who noticed inconsitencies were told the same thing then that you are saying now.

Yeah, I guess we are left with only speculation.

I mean, on the one hand, one could argue that because they are alien, we can't have expectations about how their motions would appear.

But on the other hand, we queue in on puppet motion, and occam's razor is very finicky.

Anyways, if you want proof, I suggest you buy property all around Dulce, and then ask for permission to dig deep mines. See what happens.

That would be very hard considering I'm in canada. Anyways, maybe the video is a fake, maybe it is real, we shouldn't argue about its authenticity. Yea, anyways...


-Jimmy-

Doctor, Why do you assume that the alien was "Caught"? He wasn't "caught". See, it's assumptions like that, when you start adding to the story, that make it harder to believe. You're making something up to satisfy your belief that it's not real.

You need to watch the WHOLE alien interview. Get as many facts as you can. Here's a link.....Watch the WHOLE story.


This video is 1 hour and 6 minutes long. VERY good watching.

video.google.com...

And by the way Doctor, who "Proved" that the autopsy video was fake? If it were REAL footage that got out, the government would put something together to make it APPEAR that it was a hoax to cover their asses. Make a couple of foam puppets and tell the world that some pranksters spent TONS of money for no aparent reason to pull off this little video. Yeah. That's believable. So.....the autopsy wasn't PROVEN to be anything. If YOU want to believe it's real, then do so. If YOU want to believe it's a hoax, then do so. But with a subject matter such as this, (UFOs and aliens) something that the government is so hard at work to keep hidden from the public despite all the TONS of evidence, you HAVE to come to your own decisions. Don't believe something is FAKE just because someone else says so. That's not research at all.


[edit on 23-5-2006 by MrChipps]

"Doctor, Why do you assume that the alien was "Caught"? He wasn't "caught". See, it's assumptions like that, when you start adding to the story, that make it harder to believe. You're making something up to satisfy your belief that it's not real.

You need to watch the WHOLE alien interview. Get as many facts as you can. Here's a link.....Watch the WHOLE story.


This video is 1 hour and 6 minutes long. VERY good watching.

video.google.com...

And by the way Doctor, who "Proved" that the autopsy video was fake? If it were REAL footage that got out, the government would put something together to make it APPEAR that it was a hoax to cover their asses. Make a couple of foam puppets and tell the world that some pranksters spent TONS of money for no aparent reason to pull off this little video. Yeah. That's believable. So.....the autopsy wasn't PROVEN to be anything. If YOU want to believe it's real, then do so. If YOU want to believe it's a hoax, then do so. But with a subject matter such as this, (UFOs and aliens) something that the government is so hard at work to keep hidden from the public despite all the TONS of evidence, you HAVE to come to your own decisions. Don't believe something is FAKE just because someone else says so. That's not research at all."

The guys who made the alien autopsy admitted it was a hoax. Whether you beleive it or not the "fact" is it was fake. They even showed the set that they made themselves. www.bbc.co.uk...

Rick Baker in the video you provide said he could do better with special effects and noticed certain things like the movements, the creepy lighting and the fact that whoever made the tape made the effort to hide the anatomy. He staked his reputation on it and he has won academy awards for special effects. Your problem is you accept everything at face value without further analysis and that shoots the credability of ET beleivers in the foot. Just saying it was real does not make it real.

Victor (tape source) also seemed more interested in profit considering he would not release the tape to the news media or other media for free. So how much was he paid for the tape. He had mentioned monetary freedom etc. So that begs the question why would you want money for such an important revelation. "Victor" clearly hoaxed the tape and made a lot of money from it. So did the guys who marketed this video.

You also said get as many facts as you can the only people who say this video are real are the ufologists who insist it is authentic and Victor. There is no audio in video nor is there appropriate lighting. It was also mentioned in the video that their eyes are black to protect them from bright light yet they needed a darkened room for the interview.

"That would be very hard considering I'm in canada. Anyways, maybe the video is a fake, maybe it is real, we shouldn't argue about its authenticity. Yea, anyways..." ~Jimmy

We should argue it's authenticity since it is clearly a fake. No ands, if's or butts about it. Remember I'm not the one claiming truth with no evidence I am skeptical and rightfully so. When things like this pop up you have to analylize it and get expert testemony. Special effects people like Rick Baker saying it was a puppet is a start and since only 2 people said concretely it was real but only provided sketchy details one being Victor who admitted to selling the tape for profit but then said it wasn't for the money. The other being Richard Dean a ufologist who claimed it was real but never actually provided details why it was real other then he was in Intellegence.

There are indescrepencies and again don't accept things as fact with no hard concrete evidence. He could have just edited the audio on the tape and released but he didn't. Also the guy who analyzed the tape said it was shot on film most likely not video as victor had claimed. He also said however it is possible but you would have to be in "specific conditions" to do so.

The film might not have that B&W aspect to it but it was clearly made to intentionally be creepy.

I have seen better in movies and TV spfx and I know they can and have done better the "WHOLE" interview is just a few minutes long of poorly lit soundless video footage which is apparently just a copy of the original tape.

By The "WHOLE" interview, I meant the interview with victor. Not the same couple of minutes with the alien. Victor gives more insight.

Anyways....Believe what you want.

Keep

Victor gave information that was contradictory to what the video analysis said that it was shot on film where as Victor said it was video taped. Again the lighting does not make sense eith the whole room should have been dimly lit not just the aliens jerky head. I beleive the light was focused on the head to hide the non-movement of the body.

I mean the alien supposedy was freakin out and coughing but the body never appeared to move.

These days it is getting to easy to hoax videos like these and the Autopsy video as well. Rick Baker is an expert and he agrees with me it was clever but it still had it's flaws which can be easily be spotted.