Many masons don't know about 4-33 degrees?

ahhh yes, i forgot about those, thanks for reminding me about them. we are such a tricksy lot.

Originally posted by Specter6

If you had bothered to read what they were saying, the Scottish Rite has 33 degrees. If you simply LOOK at the picture you posted, it quite clearly says Scottish Rite next to the list of 33 degrees.

Scottish rite my ass its all part of being a mason!
So what about the Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret 32°
or the Knight Commander and another 32°
I guess a 33° degree mason is labeled a Inspector General

but you see its all part of the same structure of a mason...
there are Royal Arch Masons - Ancient order of Nobles Mystics and Shrines - Order of the Red cross etc but
if you clearly look at the pic every number has a degree symbol and it even states at the bottom of the page thatthe pic I showed is a structure of a FREEMASON so therfore that would be all the degrees not 3 of them 33 of them I could care less of names of orders and # im talking about the degrees there are 33

Originally posted by Specter6
Just what exactly is so difficult to grasp here?

To be considereed a Mason, you must have been raised to the Sublime degree of a Master Mason. Which, for those of you hung up on numeric assignments, is the 3rd degree.

The first three degrees of Masonry or Freemasonry (yes they are the same) are popularly called the Blue Lodge Degrees.

Now let's equate this to something most people here may understand, say -- American Football.

Let's say becoming a Mason is the equivalent of joining a football team. You go through tryouts and practices (degrees 1-2) and eventually prove yourself worthy and are accepted as a full-fledged member of the team (3rd degree).

Now -- if you're interested, you can play on Special Teams for punt returns, kickoff returns, be on the "Hands Unit" for onside kicks, etc... You're still on the same team, you just volunteered for additional duties or additional education.

Hope this helps.

Ill make this big so all you mason's get the point!

There are 33 degrees to masonry face it there are 33 degrees in all total its all part of the same structure of a group called masons!!!

and If there are no secrets to being a mason and all that mumbo jumbo why are you clowns so Hardup to defend your sacred art or Masonry. there are TV shows documentary explaining how masons ruled societies for centuries websites books on ancient templars Illuminati bloodlines etc and when ever any of this is spoken of you either try and manipulate a conversation to disregard what was asked or state your know it all ness and were supposed to bow down!? truly pethetic.
My main post was to clearify there are 33 degree to the WHOLE concept of a MASON your encyclopedia even states this fact! remember how can you state there are only 3 degrees when my masonic encyclopedia states there are 33 would you like to see the pic
putfile.com.../13818025682.jpg&s=f5
the picture is of the Structure of a freemason
here is a dictinary def of the word structure so you get my point!

struc·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (strkchr)
n.
Something made up of a number of parts that are held or put together in a particular way: hierarchical social structure.
The way in which parts are arranged or put together to form a whole; makeup: triangular in structure.
The interrelation or arrangement of parts in a complex entity: political structure; plot structure.
Something constructed, such as a building.
Biology.
The arrangement or formation of the tissues, organs, or other parts of an organism.
An organ or other part of an organism.

tr.v. struc·tured, struc·tur·ing, struc·tures
To give form or arrangement to: structure a curriculum.

but instead
you would deny actual facts and pictures and statements made by other masons.
Well im truly disturbed by this all and it shows how much the truth can hurt!

Mocking the truth only shows guilt yin_yang

Originally posted by seridium

but instead
you would deny actual facts and pictures and statements made by other masons.
Well im truly disturbed by this all and it shows how much the truth can hurt!

I have a question for you. What does it matter how many degrees there are? I mean who gives a crap? 3, 33, 90, 97 HIKE!

All the masons seem to be saying is they view all 3rd degree masons as full masons, the York and Scottish rites are more like doing extra credit in school, instead of getting a better grade you get a cooler title.

And you my friend clearly have no idea or concept of freemasonry new world order or anything of the sort. they are a secret order doing secret ceremonies and all kinds of other stuff that not many people grasp, like the whole symbolic estoric teaching of freemasonry for example.
All their ancient symbols on building money etc.
All there hands members working in parliment, government, police force , judicial system, School boards - health care - and so on do you see now how a secret organization can control things when they are part of the scheeme of all things ever since america was founded in 1786 or whenever it was?
Before you show judgment on a topic you clearly know nothing about
Do some research

Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by seridium

but instead
you would deny actual facts and pictures and statements made by other masons.
Well im truly disturbed by this all and it shows how much the truth can hurt!

I have a question for you. What does it matter how many degrees there are? I mean who gives a crap? 3, 33, 90, 97 HIKE!

All the masons seem to be saying is they view all 3rd degree masons as full masons, the York and Scottish rites are more like doing extra credit in school, instead of getting a better grade you get a cooler title.

It matter's when Full fledge mason strat running their mouths claiming there are only 3 degrees because that is what was stated on these forums so im making people that are ignorant to this kinda of deciet,more aware of the lies these people claim but if everytime I make a statement and someone argues with me then you clearly missed my POINT.


Why are you people so hard done by Im just trying to make a point! That is all I don't want to argue I justwanted to make one statement clear with no redicule but all I get back is a mod edit Attitude!

it shows how ignorance works in full force the dumb believe the dumber this way nobody is wrong right?

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Edit: Censor circumvention. Please don't swear on the board. Check out 1(b) of the T&C:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Dude, you don't seem to understand.

Freemasonry has 3 degrees, the highest of which is Master Mason.

Freemasonry is comprised of the Craft/Blue Lodge degrees, which everyone goes through, plus a bunch of peripheral orders (Royal Arch etc, which you are obviously already aware of) which can be attained after being conferred with the degree of Master Mason.

Not everyone gets involved in the peripheral stuff. Globally, the majority of Freemasons don't join. So, for you to come along and say that Freemasonry has 33 degrees is entirely inaccurate. Scottish Rite doesn't have any authority over Craft Masonry, nor does it even comprise a majority membership amongst Freeemasons.

Scottish Rite is not the whole of "Freemasonry". Only a small, optional, peripheral part.

Originally posted by Roark
Dude, you don't seem to understand.
Freeemasons.

Scottish Rite is not the whole of "Freemasonry". Only a small, optional, peripheral part.

ADMIN EDIT: to remove childish language from post. [If you can't get your point accross like a grown up please refrain from posting. ]

Hey man i undersatnd !

you dont understand my point
ok so if the scottish rite is just a part of freemasonry why wouldnt the degrees adhere to FREEMASONRY AS A WHOLE
why does the page i posted claim the STRUCTURE or a FREEMASON
MASON FREEMASON SHRINER NOBLE TEMPLAR IT IS ALL PART OF MASONRY ALL ONE THING ONE GROUP ONE ORGANIZATION ON STRUCTURE SYSTEM ONE BODY OF PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT ORDERS OF THE SAME STRUCTURE OF FREEMASONRY
so you see man its all part of the same group scottish rite that a part of it with 4 - 33 degrees of masonry not 3 in all total there are 33 i dont give 2 rubles which degree is a higher degree im just saying there are 33 of tem in total look at the picture i posted in putfile it even has the lil ° symbol to show there are 33° of them.

I could care less which one is a higher degree im just saying there are 1° 33° on that structure, not 3° 33° in total with look again at the lil symbols beside the number on this chart

Im done arguing my point if your brain is to water logged to grasp this simple point then I guess it sucks to be you!

Edit: Swearing. Heed my last post please.

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Originally posted by seridium
Scottish rite my ass its all part of being a mason!

No, being a Freemason is being a Freemason, being in the Scottish Rite (Southern or Northern Jurisdiction) is completely different.

So what about the Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret 32°

What about it? The vast majority of Scottish Rite Masons are a "Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret 32°."

or the Knight Commander and another 32°
I guess a 33° degree mason is labeled a Inspector General

Honorary Degrees conferred to those for dedicated service within the Scottish Rite. The Sovereign Grand Inspector General is the elected "head" of the Scottish Rite.

but you see its all part of the same structure of a mason...
there are Royal Arch Masons - Ancient order of Nobles Mystics and Shrines - Order of the Red cross etc but
if you clearly look at the pic every number has a degree symbol and it even states at the bottom of the page thatthe pic I showed is a structure of a FREEMASON so therfore that would be all the degrees not 3 of them 33 of them I could care less of names of orders and # im talking about the degrees there are 33
Ill make this big so all you mason's get the point!

I'm still amused that the profane feel that they are in possession of the truths and secrets of that which they are not part of, but members of the Craft with years of membership, partaking in the Ritual and machinations... Are clueless.

and If there are no secrets to being a mason and all that mumbo jumbo why are you clowns so Hardup to defend your sacred art or Masonry.

Wrong again... The "Clowns" are Shriners... Again, an appendant body, not Freemasonry.

there are TV shows... *SNIP* ...truly pethetic.

I couldn't have said it (probably spelled it a little better ) any better...

you would deny actual facts and pictures and statements made by other masons.

I believe the statements by the Brethren here assembled has been quite clear, unified and correct... Methinks the inability to assimilate the "facts" lies elsewhere.

seridium, let me break this down for you. NO MORE SWEARING!!!!

Check out the T&C, 1(b):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Warns to follow. M'kay?

Originally posted by seridium
ok so if the scottish rite is just a part of freemasonry why wouldnt the degrees adhere to FREEMASONRY AS A WHOLE

OK. I think we all accept that you believe there are 33 degrees in freemasonry. If other members of the forum are unable to disuade you from that erroneous belief I doubt I'll fare much better.

I would, however, be interested in your thoughts on the Rite of Memphis. It's an appendent body, just like the Scottish Rite, but (oh no!) it has more than 33 degrees! Although not recognized by the majority of regular freemasonry it is undoubtably masonic in nature.

Are you prepared to revise your view and now consider that there are 95 degrees in freemasonry? In your opinion do you think that a 34 degree Memphis Rite freemason is higher up than a 33 degree Scottish Rite one? What would you think if I told you that (from memory) there are 212 different degrees available?

It's not so simple when you actually look into it...

I suppose I misunderstood some information on Degrees rites chapters and Sections of masonry and the ancient Craft.
After some more reading and comprehending I have come to conclude that the whole Rite then Consists of thirty- three degrees, which are divided into seven sections, each section being under an appropriate jurisdiction, and are as follows:
Symbolic Lodge.
1. Entered Apprentice
2. Fellow- Craft
3. MAster Mason ( to teach the imortality of the soul )

the next that follow are called blue or Symbolic degrees. They are not confered in england, Scotland, Ireland, or in the United States, because the supreme Concils of the Rite have refrained from exercising jurisdiction through respect to the older authority in thoses countries of the York and American Rite.

Lodge of Perfection.
4° through to 14°

Council Of Prince of Jerusalem.
15° - 16°

Chapter of Red Croix.
17° - 18°

Council Of Kadosh.
19° - 30°

Consistory of Sublime PRinces of the Royal Secret.
31° - 32°

Supreme Council.
33° Sovereign Grand Inspector-General.



so they are some sort of degrees. and that was the only point I was trying to make.






The Memphis Rite
well that Rite has been modified since the first day Marconis and Marseilles introduced this new Rite. the Rite of Memphis was founded on the Rite of Mizraim
them boys seemed to like to borrow ideas from people to create their own rites and after time these 95 degrees were accepted as a new rite by the Grand College of Rites high council, and Marconis being a lil Obedient Mason that he was gave up all authority over his Rite to the Grand Orient, them being the controlling factor of the Degrees of manhood and inner soul power and all that cool esoteric teachings stuff.

The 95° in the rite of memphis was I think just a more understood teaching of freemasonry and obviously the Grand Orient did not want all people having access to every single rite and teching's from mizraim to the 3 entered degrees. So they took instant control and manipulated the rite in any way they felt needed I suppose. And by what are known as the High Degrees a multitude of Rites was established which all applied to one important essential. they were built upon the three symbolic degrees which in every instance constituted the fundamental basis which upon they were erected. they were intended as an expansion and the development of teh masoni ideas contained in these degrees. the Apprentice the Fellow Craft and the Master degrees were the porch through which every initiate must pass before he could gain entrance into the inner temple which had been erected by the founders of the rite, The memphis Rite in this day an age could merely be a political social or literary character.

I see we are beginning to approach what might eventually become Understanding

Originally posted by seridium
And by what are known as the High Degrees a multitude of Rites was established which all applied to one important essential. they were built upon the three symbolic degrees which in every instance constituted the fundamental basis which upon they were erected. they were intended as an expansion and the development of teh masoni ideas contained in these degrees.

Can you see how your description of Memphis Rite can equally apply to Scottish?

Also, each Rite, although all Masonic, is sovereign over itself, but only itself. It's a high honor in the Scottish Rite to hold the 33°, but that 33° doesn't mean anything in the York Rite. Likewise, being a member of the Red Cross of Constantine is a high honor in the York Rite, but doesn't mean anything in the Scottish Rite. Being elected Illustrious Potentate is a high honor in the Shriners, but doesn't mean anything to either Rite.

Originally posted by CX
I'm reading a book at the moment about Freemasonry, and it states that many masons do not realise that there are thirty degrees above the master mason level.

I'd stop reading that book. I'd find it hard to beleive that there are that many masons that haven't heard of Scottish Rite Masonry.

Maybe that author is pretending that people that go for the York Rite don't know about the Scottish Rite? That'd be a bit of a lie though no?

rofl .. it makes me laugh in general when non masons try to tell ME what masonry is.