Something in Cave Creek, Arizona?

Could the members of ATS please help me. I live about 20 minutes away from Cave Creek, but I have a friend who lives up there so I go up there a lot. In this picture there is a gate blocking the road if you go west. There is a big sign on the front gate that says, "keep gate closed". There is also a no trespassing sign that says you can get fines and jail time if you do trespass. I know the old cave creek dam is in that area, but it is not used any more. I can think of no logical reason to have a gate just to keep people out of a huge open area that is just desert. I am not saying there is a government base there and I am not saying there is not a government base there. I would just like to figure out what is there, if there is anything. I really hope the members of ATS will be able to help me out.

For those of you who will most likely points out the building to the southwest in that picture, it is just a modle airplane field.

[edit on 18-5-2006 by infoseeker]

Who owns the land? Government, or private? Both will most likely post 'no trespassing' signs there. I know I would if I owned a massive expanse of desert and did not want people lurking around on it for whatever reason.

As you are not trying to say there is a govt. base there, why is it odd that there is a keep out sign posted? They are everywhere! If there's a dam there, the govt. has every right to put up a sign to keep people away from the potentially dangerous structure.

It is an old damn that is not used any more. So I am assuming the land is owned by the government if there is a damn in that huge open are. Why keep a gate to an area with a damn; that is not used any more and nothing else in that area?

I am not sure if there is a government base there. That is why I am on here asking people if they know anything.

I live in Phoenix and am in that area frequently. If you travel in that area especially passed the Bartlett Lake turnoff all the way to Seven Springs you'll see those signs and gates about every mile. Some of that land is owned by private developers and the rest is BLM land. The gates and fencing are to keep out dirt bike riders who the BLM claims tear up the desert plants and it is also a deterent to people that were using the desert as a dumping ground. Why would you think that a fence and a no trespassing sign are an indication of anything other that someone does'nt want you on their private property property?

~~

then again, there was once a stash of weapons & explosives that was demolished up there in the Cave Creek area...towards the BlackCanyonCity?? vicinity.
[i believe it accidently exploded...and the authorities theorized it was a bomb & weapons stash, in doing their forensics...back some 6 yrs ago]

there could be more 'seperatists' or 'survivalists' who have arms caches' out there in the desert...and i for one, sure wouldn't challenge a 'no trespassing' sign

You've stumbled across a top-secret CPR installation (City Parks and Recreation).

Cave Buttes Recreation Area



Go to the link and get the PDF; there's more info there than a human really needs. I found it while looking for Giant Stealth Blimp Bases

It's been in the works for several decades, it seems. It's probably just gated to keep folks out of the demolition/construction areas (although..there's a so-called "spillway", hidden between two mountain peaks, which looks like the world's biggest parking lot -- just right for UFO landings, perhaps?)

Anyone tell me what this is ? Was just browsing round Cave Creek.







[edit: resize image]

[edit on 5/18/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by Liamoville
Anyone tell me what this is ? Was just browsing round Cave Creek.

Well, I can tell you what appears to be the address of the guard shack, but I have no idea otherwise. It's on the Phoenix Mountains Preserve, but there's not enough parking to be a tourist attraction or such, one would think.

14025 N. Cave Creek Road*
Phoenix, Arizona 85022


(*actually, might be anywhere from 14021 to 14031; 14026 seems to be the address of the office building across the street)

I also noticed a small maintained airstrip to the WSW, that was only accessable from the closed fence road.

But then, there appear to be massive 4x4 trails, so i doubt anything out there is secret.

Liamoville:
It's called Shadow Mountain, and apparently belongs to Phoenix Parks and Recreation; I can't find any thing else about it It may be a future community center?

From what my friend said, you used to be allowed up there. There were picnic tables and other recreational stuff like a recreational area should have. You would not block off a recreational area though, because it would defeat of the purpose of making it a recreational area in the first place.


The small air strip to the WSW is a modle airplane field.

[edit on 18-5-2006 by infoseeker]

Originally posted by rand
Liamoville:
It's called Shadow Mountain, and apparently belongs to Phoenix Parks and Recreation; I can't find any thing else about it

It may be a future community center?

Ahhh right, thanks Had a feeling it wasn't anything secret was just curious what it was.

Originally posted by infoseeker
You would not block off a recreational area though, because it would defeat of the purpose of making it a recreational area in the first place.

Well, you might, if (1) you wanted to save whatever natural environment was left from the SUVs and off-roaders and/or (2) you were doing some heavy construction (like blasting and earthmoving and dam building) and/or (3) you needed to repair the roads but didn't have the money available or wanted to wait until you were through with (2) and/or you were rebuilding the entire facility, etc., etc.

Insurance and liability concerns would be enough to sway the city fathers to close the entire area to all but contractors, one would imagine.

There's a park near me here which was shut down about a year ago so that the lake could be drained and re-dug; it's closed to the public now, nobody allowed on the property, only a dozen acres plus-or-minus, but it's all bare dirt with a big hole in the middle. It's expected to reopen in another year or two. It happens.

Rand I think you might be right. I just want to hear the opinion of Simongray, the FSME first.

I would really have to agree with what hank said. Aside from dirtbikers and people dumping trash, I'm sure bonfires and people who enjoy camping in the desert arn't meant to be there either. I think it's nothing harmful or secret. Of course, maybe that's the point. The ol' hide in plain site philosophy, right?

Anyway, you said it used to be a park, and I'm guessing it still is. Go to a library and see if you can find anything about the park closing down in the newspaper microfilms (if they have them, which most libraries do), or just try looking online. There's bound to be something.

If they're doing construction (which may not neccessarily be seen in the sat images) then that could easily be why the park has been closed.

Originally posted by rand
It may be a future community center?

Yeah, the first thing that popped into my head was a covered ampitheatre.

The public Library in Cave Creek was useless. I did drive by the gate today and see that someone was going in the gate so I turned down that street to get a look before the guy closed the gate, but the guy gave me a look so I just turned around. I am not giving up on this though, so I will keep you all updated.

I'm not at all familiar with this area I'm afraid, but hank's opinion does sound the most plausible.

Even the most remote areas of land that from the naked eye serve no purpose, may still warrant some type of protection and/or a deterrent to those who may trespass.

It may be someone's vast area of private land, and wants to keep unwanted visitors at bay by posting a gate at the only private access road.

reply to post by Liamoville


I use to live at the base of this mountain. Hiked up a few times and saw this, I was always curious about it as well, never saw any people around it though, but not sure why it would be tucked away like it is whatever it is. Only way to see it is from up top the mountain and the road leading up to it is hardly visible off of cave creek rd. If anyone can find out what it is I'd be interested.

I like to refer to this lovely city of Phoenix that I happen to live in as "Racoon City"

Hanks probably right, phx is not big on people being out at night where they are not seen by police... lots of dead land gets fenced...

But I will say this, could be anything... best bet is to buy a high powered telescope and observe from nearby high point, friends roof etc...

probably nothing but AZ tself has sooo much govt land and there are so many stories about so many things here...

AS cities go there is more wierdness here than anywhere I have ever lived... like Sheriff Joe alone makes this a great place to keep a secret, that's for sure...

File a FOI thing to see who own it.