John Lear's theory regarding the "Soul Collector"

Originally posted by Thekherham

Mr. Lear (or may I call you John?

Of course.

You said there are beings on the other planets of our solar system. I find that hard to believe.

Thats because of your conditioning.

Isn't Mercury too hot? Isn't Pluto to
to cold?

Thats NASA disinfo.

Or are you saying that all the planets are like Earth, with lands and oceans and a breathable atmosphere?

Very similar. Yes.

Oh my, if that were true, then we've been deceived for centuries!!

To John Lear:

While I am not going to make a stance on what you claim (without some proof on either way, I dont feel it just to do so.) I will make the hypothetical assertion that you are correct (not saying your not, just saying, lets just say you are, for the sake of the arguement.)

Do you think television shows like Stargate Sg-1, and the various UFO programs like Taken, 4400, and Invasion, are infact made to slowly disclose information on the existence of extra terrestrials?

It seems that stargate follows this best. Its actually supported by the US Airforce, and its a show about humans secretly trading and exploring new worlds and meeting aliens, while nobody knows about it.

Wolf this thread is about the soul collector. It has already evolved into other topics, In respect to the O.P. < please direct questions not regarding the thread topic to this thread.Questions for John Lear He has been very polite and punctual posting replies there.

Please understand that every thread Mr. Lear posts in, it always gets sidetracked by unrelated but important questions, so I created a thread just for that reason.

[edit on 10-7-2006 by Tiloke]

Originally posted by WolfofWar

Do you think television shows like Stargate Sg-1, and the various UFO programs like Taken, 4400, and Invasion, are infact made to slowly disclose information on the existence of extra terrestrials?

Probably.

John is correct, intelligent life exists on all of the planets and on most of the moons in this solar system, and there are also hundreds of space cities in orbit around Jupiter and Saturn.

Humans are in a crib called earth and like small children remain unaware of what is going on in the house---our solar system.

And there are no rebels out there that would make contact with us? If there are all these civilizations in our own back yard, why wouldn't a guy from Saturn show up at CNN and do an interview? If they are there then there's got to be at least one that wants to drop in and say hello.

Originally posted by jbondo
And there are no rebels out there that would make contact with us? If there are all these civilizations in our own back yard, why wouldn't a guy from Saturn show up at CNN and do an interview? If they are there then there's got to be at least one that wants to drop in and say hello.

Here's my theory: Each of the other planets thinks that they are they only inhabited planet in this solar system. Thus, if you were a Venusian, your planet is the only one that has life on it. Of course they all have the internet with forums just like this one where Venusians theorize about life on other worlds, alien abductions, and conspiracy theories.

I can't believe I just said that. But if John can come up with these wild theories, so can I.

Originally posted by jbondo
And there are no rebels out there that would make contact with us? If there are all these civilizations in our own back yard, why wouldn't a guy from Saturn show up at CNN and do an interview? If they are there then there's got to be at least one that wants to drop in and say hello.

There are hundreds that drop in every day, there are thousands that live here and work alongside our scientist, giving them information and letting the scientist take the credit for any and all breakthroughs.

Just because those in the know are not talking about it on CNN doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

And for the rebels, they do exist but they are stopped and their litter cleaned up before anyone finds it.

Where did you hear all this?
Why do you seem so confident with the answer's?

Yeah, the moon is just oozing with life... too bad any amatuer can grab a telescope and prove you wrong. BTW, I understand it is your belief that they are underground.. so are you telling me that under constant observation they have NEVER been spotted by casual night observers?

Please... stop wasting peoples time... I am guessing your out to make a profit in some way, it really is pathetic.

Also, as for your instantaneous gravity theory mentioned in the other thread... absolute hogwash. Do you mean to imply that if the sun were to suddenly disappear, the earth would detach from its orbit before we even noticed the sun was missing?

You refer to mainstream science as if it were one big conspiracy of perpetuating ignorance.. yet, you have no empirical data to back up your claims. I'd love it just once if one of these so-called 'credible' witnesses could produce even a shred of evidence -- but no.. it is always mysteriously stolen, or vanished when the time comes to produce it.

If you have evidence, produce it. I am guessing you get paid for your lectures, books, appearance -- that sums it all up.

Originally posted by Denied
Where did you hear all this?
Why do you seem so confident with the answer's?

Because I have seen them and have been to some of the planets in this solar system. If you read my locked thread you will notice that when I give too much detail of my experiences I only invite ridicule so I will restrain from giving many if any details to keep the tantrums at a minimum.

Originally posted by zoopnfunk
Yeah, the moon is just oozing with life... too bad any amatuer can grab a telescope and prove you wrong. BTW, I understand it is your belief that they are underground.. so are you telling me that under constant observation they have NEVER been spotted by casual night observers?

Please... stop wasting peoples time... I am guessing your out to make a profit in some way, it really is pathetic.

Also, as for your instantaneous gravity theory mentioned in the other thread... absolute hogwash. Do you mean to imply that if the sun were to suddenly disappear, the earth would detach from its orbit before we even noticed the sun was missing?

You refer to mainstream science as if it were one big conspiracy of perpetuating ignorance.. yet, you have no empirical data to back up your claims. I'd love it just once if one of these so-called 'credible' witnesses could produce even a shred of evidence -- but no.. it is always mysteriously stolen, or vanished when the time comes to produce it.

If you have evidence, produce it. I am guessing you get paid for your lectures, books, appearance -- that sums it all up.

The real crack heads are those that buy hook line and sinker the lies coming out of Nasa, Hollywood and the governments PR departments.

They want to keep the children on earth sleeping in their cribs; so far they have done an excellent job.

And the proof that the children are fast asleep on this planet---just look around.

Originally posted by Thekherham
I can't believe I just said that. But if John can come up with these wild theories, so can I.

You've got a pretty good theory there, but there's not enough "liberal," New Age junk thrown into it. You need to talk more about "vibrations" and "spirituality" and "enlightenment."

Here's a good analogy to use that seems to make sense, but is actually a load of hogwash:

Existence is constructed in many ways like an atom.
Electrons occupy certain, specific "shells" around a central nucleus, depending on their energy or vibration.
The difference is that rather than electrons, people's souls live in the orbits.
Each layer has a specific degree of energy or vibration and the beings who live on the different layers are "tuned" into the levels.
The energy people's souls have is related to their level of spirituality or enlightenment.
Enlightenment has to do with kindness and love and understanding one's place in the universe.
We here on Earth are crude, mean beings who do not have very much enlightenment, which keeps us trapped on Earth and away from contact with the aliens, who are more spiritually advanced than us.
The aliens on vibrational levels above us want to help us grow spiritually, so we can be on their level.
However, aliens with lower enlightenment levels (fallen angels), want to hinder our development, because they are even crueler and meaner than we are.
The more advanced aliens work psychically through the most spiritually enlightened of us, bringing their message of peace and love.
Our task is to continue to gain enlightenment and higher spirituality through good deeds, and good, kind thoughts.
Eventually, we will reach a kind of "critical mass" of enlightened people, at which time we will all gain enlightenment and all of humanity will be raised to the next energy level.
That's when we'll have more direct, physical contact with the aliens, who will continue to teach us until we achieve everlasting joy through communion with the ultimate vibration, which some people call "God."

See there? You could sell a book of this kind of stuff and make a lot of money if you stretched it out and put pictures of the pyramids and stuff in it. That's what your theory needs to fill it out. More crapola. The above could form the basis of a real religion (where the big money is), that a lot of people would probably join.

Hope this helps!

Originally posted by zoopnfunk
Yeah, the moon is just oozing with life... too bad any amatuer can grab a telescope and prove you wrong. BTW, I understand it is your belief that they are underground.. so are you telling me that under constant observation they have NEVER been spotted by casual night observers?

Please... stop wasting peoples time... I am guessing your out to make a profit in some way, it really is pathetic.

Also, as for your instantaneous gravity theory mentioned in the other thread... absolute hogwash. Do you mean to imply that if the sun were to suddenly disappear, the earth would detach from its orbit before we even noticed the sun was missing?

You refer to mainstream science as if it were one big conspiracy of perpetuating ignorance.. yet, you have no empirical data to back up your claims. I'd love it just once if one of these so-called 'credible' witnesses could produce even a shred of evidence -- but no.. it is always mysteriously stolen, or vanished when the time comes to produce it.

If you have evidence, produce it. I am guessing you get paid for your lectures, books, appearance -- that sums it all up.

zoopnfunk I really appreciate your input and right to disbelieve.

But I must respectfully request that you do not call anybody a "Crackhead" particularly Sleeper. It is not in keeping with the conduct that the Admin. would like to see practiced in these forums. It is also childish behaviour.

I know that you will agree with me that an apology would be a sign of your good faith and intentions to comply with the decorum of ATS.

I apologize if I offended anyone with the use of the word 'crackhead' and will refrain from such terms in the future. It was a juvenile attempt at humor - i've recenlty watched school of rock and can't seem to get Jack Black's quip out of my brain.

Sleeper -- I do not blindly accepting what Nasa, hollywood et al are telling me. I am not going to blindly believe what Lear, Lazar or any other person tells me if they don't have the evidence to support their theories/accusations either. The best evidence I have seen to date amounts to 'expert' testimony / 'credible' witnesses.

On the other hand members of the mainstream scientific community have been able to produce substantial amounts of data to backup the theories we currently accept as most accurate. These theories can be tested and the results of these tests reproduced independently.

We are all searching for answers but that doesn't mean we should give every 'could be' charlatan with a title the benefit of the doubt over mainstream science.

In otherwords Proof Please.



[edit on 10-7-2006 by zoopnfunk]

Originally posted by zoopnfunk
I apologize if I offended anyone with the use of the word 'crackhead' and will refrain from such terms in the future. It was a juvenile attempt at humor - i've recenlty watched school of rock and can't seem to get Jack Black's quip out of my brain.

Sleeper -- I do not blindly accepting what Nasa, hollywood et al are telling me. I am not going to blindly believe what Lear, Lazar or any other person tells me if they don't have the evidence to support their theories/accusations either. The best evidence I have seen to date amounts to 'expert' testimony / 'credible' witnesses.

On the other hand members of the mainstream scientific community have been able to produce substantial amounts of data to backup the theories we currently accept as most accurate. These theories can be tested and the results of these tests reproduced independently.

We are all searching for answers but that doesn't mean we should give every 'could be' charlatan with a title the benefit of the doubt over mainstream science.

In otherwords Proof Please.



[edit on 10-7-2006 by zoopnfunk]

And that's what I say, Proof Please.

Tell me, John, why should I believe you, and not NASA, for example? You have to give me a reason to believe you. You can't just say, I'm right, and they're wrong. That just won't do.

Originally posted by zoopnfunk
On the other hand members of the mainstream scientific community have been able to produce substantial amounts of data to backup the theories we currently accept as most accurate. These theories can be tested and the results of these tests reproduced independently.

We are all searching for answers but that doesn't mean we should give every 'could be' charlatan with a title the benefit of the doubt over mainstream science.

In otherwords Proof Please.

Well said.

I myself see no reason why I shouldn't believe what NASA, ESA or other scientists and astronomers (who arn't related to NASA) tell us. They at least give lots of data and supporting documentation that all seems to add up and make sense. There are ways to get an idea of what a planets surface/atmosphere is like through the use of different filters on a telescope. Different elements reflect/distort light in different ways. I'd think even an amature astronomer would notice if Venus was all green. We'd definately notice if the Moon had a blue sky. You wouldn't need to be a professional astronomer to see that.

Originally posted by johnlear
"Or are you saying that all the planets are like Earth, with lands and oceans and a breathable atmosphere?"
Very similar. Yes.

Mr Lear (or should I call you Lear fan? ) could you elaborate on how you know this?

Scientifically it sounds impossible, there would have to be a vast coverup going on regarding the composition of such planets. It would be more believeable to put forward that habitation on such planets is purely subterranean.

I do have something to credit you with however. I remember some recent investigation into NASA data collected from Mars via the 'bots, and if the conclusions are right, then Mars does indeed have regular blue skies and is nowhere near as cold as NASA says..

John Lear your stories are too out there. There is no proof for your outrageious claims.

Your assuming too much in your stories and though there are a lot of conspiracies you can't assume that there are alien bases on EVERY planet in the galaxy.

I know just as well as you that there are alien crafts orbiting around the Earth. As far as that, both you and I know there is no info.

John Lear, your hear say is too far out there. I'm calling your bluff and I'm saying that the only info you know is the same as I ( there are alien crafts around the Earth) besides that I believe you have no idea what else is going on and anything else that you claim you know you are claiming for attention.

Originally posted by zoopnfunk
I apologize if I offended anyone with the use of the word 'crackhead' and will refrain from such terms in the future. It was a juvenile attempt at humor - i've recenlty watched school of rock and can't seem to get Jack Black's quip out of my brain.

Sleeper -- I do not blindly accepting what Nasa, hollywood et al are telling me. I am not going to blindly believe what Lear, Lazar or any other person tells me if they don't have the evidence to support their theories/accusations either. The best evidence I have seen to date amounts to 'expert' testimony / 'credible' witnesses.

On the other hand members of the mainstream scientific community have been able to produce substantial amounts of data to backup the theories we currently accept as most accurate. These theories can be tested and the results of these tests reproduced independently.

We are all searching for answers but that doesn't mean we should give every 'could be' charlatan with a title the benefit of the doubt over mainstream science.

In otherwords Proof Please.

Good post zoopnfunk. And thanks.