John Lear's theory regarding the "Soul Collector"

Very nice find Prote and certainly relevant to be sure. Thats what I like to see, documents you can sink your teeth into

Originally posted by Xeros

But what if you died when the moon was the other side of the Earth, then it would be the same as dying and having to travel to the other side of the moon.

I believe your point is that if souls can be retreived beyond line-of-sight, why bother putting the SC on the visible side of the moon? Why not hide it on the back side? Will let you know when I find out.

Does your soul stay in limbo until the moon is in place? Just as your theory that the "soul catcher" is a place for limbo.

Don't know. I would tell you to ask sleeper but I'm not sure he is buying the SC on the moon in the first place.

I don't get it.

Welcome to the club.

Originally posted by Xeros

But what if you died when the moon was the other side of the Earth, then it would be the same as dying and having to travel to the other side of the moon. Does your soul stay in limbo untill the moon is in place? Just as your theory that the "soul catcher" is a place for limbo. I don't get it.

Thanks

According to sleeper, it doesn't matter where you are. Someone posted a question something like;

"What if I travelled to an uninhabited star system and died, then what?

The answer was that your soul would still travel to the nearest system where there was one such 'soul processor'.

John was unsure if a person who died underground such as in a mine or underwater would get collected. Johns theory was that the soul would stay lost until a 'clear out' occured. Again sleeper corrected maintaining his stance that all souls are collected no matter what.

I am sure I will be corrected if i'm wrong but thats my understanding.


EDIT: John beat me to responding....as you were.

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Hello John,

this is my first post on this board. i'm a big fan of your stories and have been reading all releated threads about soul collectors and life on other planets and stuff because it's fascinating to think about the possibility.

my question is, who made the aliens? if humans (on earth) are not a product of natural evolution, how were the aliens created. are some created by other aliens like we are, or have some evolved naturally?

how did the rest of life on earth begin? is this entire planet a seeded planet by an external source, or is there anything natural here?

do the top et's believe in god? is their soul collecting a way of discovering the last piece of the puzzle?

i'm thinking the only way it all ties together is that these species have come as far as they can in terms of technology and understanding of the universe, except one thing...why are we/they/anything here? is that a question that cannot be answered?



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psilogod, it sounds like you have not read the 110pg thread posted by sleeper, it´s linked a couple of pages back in this thread, i recommend you take a couple of evenings reading it, really interesting stuff

for starters theirs no such thing as a soul and people who beleive in souls shouldnt be on an alien thread finding aliens would disprove god,jesus,souls and all that religious crap come on beleiving in souls is things 15th century peasants beleived in back wen they thought the world was flat. people shouldnt beleive in souls these days its ridiclious

Originally posted by mr cryptoman
15th century peasants beleived in back wen they thought the world was flat.

I'm not singling out mr cryptoman, just using the quote as context.

I see this phrase "thought the world was flat" over and over again as some sort of reflection on the ignorance of humans in the ancient past.

Aristotle (384-322 BC) also proposed a spherical earth on geometric grounds, but backed up his assertion with physical evidence:

* Ships disappearing over the horizon appear hull-down in the water.
* Travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon.
* Shadow of the earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is round.

Aristotle's demonstration was so compelling that a spherical Earth was the central assumption of all subsequent philosophers of the Classical era (up to ~300 AD).

He also used the curved phases of the moon to argue that the Moon must also be a sphere like the Earth. source

It is an incorrect assumption. Ancient people weren't stupid. Many of them were aware that the Earth is round. Particularly those that lived on the coast.

I know its off-topic....but I needed to say it.

Originally posted by mr cryptoman
for starters theirs no such thing as a soul and people who beleive in souls shouldnt be on an alien thread finding aliens would disprove god,jesus,souls and all that religious crap come on beleiving in souls is things 15th century peasants beleived in back wen they thought the world was flat. people shouldnt beleive in souls these days its ridiclious

ARRGGGGG where do they keep coming from...


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Quick someone take away my keyboard..........

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A soul-catcher makes as much sense as anything else. Basically this theoretical soul-catcher (as described in this thread) is a simplified version of what various religions have been teaching. Just closer, physically, to earth.

We'd all like an explanation for life, death and the many puzzling experiences in between. The interest shown this thread is understandable.

But, as with religious teachings, we're exposed ... even within the simple 'soul catcher' theory ... to the same contradiction. Some of those supposedly in-the-know describe the lunar occupants and managerial staff of the soul-catcher as frighteningly 'dark', whilst others present a more up-beat view. Anyone's guess, apparently. So, 'heaven vs hell' in the religous version and 'negative vs positive' re: the soul-catcher. And ... we're still none the wiser.

The soul-catcher theory failed to sustain itself however when one of its theorists undertook to respond to questions concerning its selection criteria. 'The ETs know what's in your heart' was offered as explanation for the processing of souls and the destinations decided upon for them. Hitler and Mother Theresa were touted as personifying the ultimate in 'good' and 'evil': a soul-catcher version of 1-to-10 on the good-evil scale, with Hitler being the zero and Mother Theresa the ten, presumably.

Adults stand above children's petty bickering. They do not take sides or become emotionally entangled. With what appears god-like wisdom, they arbitrate without bias; they understand all points of view and realise the validity in each. There is no black and white. Not here on earth. Not within any of us or any group of us. And adults are really just tall children. As are teachers, judges, politicians.

If humans are capable of impartial judgement and wisdom, we're entitled to expect the same of designers and operators of soul-catchers.

Hitler was proferred as example of ultimate evil. And we're told the operators of the soul-catcher would deal harshly with Hitler. Yet we were not advised what the soul-catcher would do with those US politicians who deliberately allowed 3,000 souls to perish at Pearl Harbour in order Americans would finally allow themselves to be led officially to war. We're led to believe Mother Theresa would be jettisoned to higher dimensions, yet Mother Theresa toadied to any multinational or murderous dictator who donated to her work. Mother Theresa never attacked the cause of suffering at its roots. Mother Theresa didn't use her influence with the Pope in the interests of nine and ten year old girls in impoverished nations who were compelled to endure pregnancy as consequence of the Vatican's refusal to sanction birth control -- despite the fact the Vatican has always been a major shareholder in companies which produce contraceptives. What then did Mother Theresa actually achieve, other than to apply band-aids after the damage had become irreversible and for which -- due to her failure to oppose those responsible -- she herself was in part responsible? Yet the soul-catcher would find her 'perfect' ?

We were not advised how the soul-catcher would deal with all those of us who discuss the slaughter of millions here in forums and watch it nightly on tv. Would the soul-catcher hold us responsible for those deaths which we observe yet fail to prevent? Would the soul-catcher take into account those five dollar donations we make to worthy causes? Or would the soul-catcher dismiss these as mere salves for our guilt re: circumstances we are too lazy and too selfish to actually change.

Is the soul-catcher wise, it is just, in the manner in which it supposedly weighs our souls ?

Or does it -- as we're advised -- adopt a Disneyland approach to 'good and evil' along the lines of a Hitler-zero / Mother Theresa-ten, scale?

If the latter, how does the soul catcher determine the destiny of the schizophrenic sufferer who actually DID hear 'voices' telling him to rape and murder five little girls? Who would the soul-catcher hold responsible for those deaths; the 'voices' or the victims of those voices and if the latter, surely the schizophrenic was as much victim as the girls?

We're told the soul-catcher is extremely judgemental regarding suicide. Why? Doesn't the soul-catcher appreciate that many who commit suicide have been rendered emotionally exhausted by the batterings of life itself, commencing in many instances in early childhood and earlier? The child who survives abortion attempts upon its existence pre-birth is aware from the outset that it is unwanted. Often the child's life circumstances reinforce the fact that no-one loves, values or wants it. Many, many people here on earth are pushed beyond the limits of endurance. It's a cruel place. With no overt evidence of a loving god and plagued on all sides by pain, humans sometimes choose to run into the unknown, rather than face the known.

Yet we're advised by someone who claims intimate knowledge of the soul-catcher and its managers, that they punish the already tormented via criteria that sound as simplistic, ignorant and ill-informed as those of uneducated folk from the 1400s !

That's when the soul-catcher theory lost me completely. I realised at that point that I was hearing the personal opinions of a mere human who had convinced himself (and many others apparently) that he was privileged confidante of a non-human (alien) race of post-life judges living on the Moon.

There may well BE life-forms on the moon. It wouldn't surprise me. But I'm unable to accept they process our souls. They sound too backwards, too unenlighted, too ignorant. Either they're lying to our forum friend, or he is lying to us (perhaps not intentionally; maybe he believes what he's said here).

Originally posted by Dock6

There may well BE life-forms on the moon. It wouldn't surprise me. But I'm unable to accept they process our souls. They sound too backwards, too unenlighted, too ignorant. Either they're lying to our forum friend, or he is lying to us (perhaps not intentionally; maybe he believes what he's said here).

A very thoughful post Dock6. I think you may judging a little too harshly, a human trying to explain an alien concept. I think the soul processor knows and deals with every single point that you brought up. It/they know the deepest of the deepest thoughts in your soul. Don't worry, the neo-cons will pay dearly.

Its not entirely off topic Mr. Penny, cause people tend to think of science as some kind of linear,m global advance. Your view of it as bubbling up, and sometimes sticking and propagating, is far more accurate, and its important for people to understand that most things are rediscovered several times before they are accepted. YOu have to be at the right place at the right time, even in the modern scientific fields.

what????? no new posts for so long? Has this been blocked?
Have just read most of the 17 pages them boom finished

I'm enjoying the new explanations of ETs here.
I have some big issues with the suicide opinion. It goes against a fair bit of my own accumulated knowledge.
I have a few problems with the so called judgement of souls by this soul collector.
Though I can let this slide as noone can really say how it works.
I'm not really for judgement, I am more for cause and effect which is often judgement in itself.
If you willingly cause pain to another, you are already in a type of hell in itself. If your mind is in such a state as to cause pain willingly.
But even that is not so black and white.
I just find it hard to accept a soul catcher could accurately determine such things on such a large scale, i suppose.

But please keep it coming, I respect Johns experience and opinion. He has a certain Bill Ryan composure about him and i like that. ; )

If you're not above ridicule, you're not above ego, and you're not above distorting information for your ego.

This thread is huge and I don't have time to read it now. But I agree that spiritual phenomena and aliens are tightly connected.

In Star Wars the princess is in one place and sends a hologram via a droid to the outside world. A lot of spiritual manifestations are like that. Holograms sent from solid entities via technological interfaces.

Originally posted by T0by

I just find it hard to accept a soul catcher could accurately determine such things on such a large scale, i suppose.

Its actually not the soul catcher itself that makes the determination. Its those who built the soul catcher. They know every single, little itty bitty teensie minuscule detail of every millisecond of your life. And everyone elses life for that matter. The first time an alien looks into your eyes your very first thought is:

'Uh oh'.

Because you instantly know that he knows what you thought was secret forever.

I wonder, John, if such an Alien has ever looked you in the eye.

If so, to what degree did your mind say, "uh-oh"?

I've just had an idea.We should find a theory that sounds so crazy, no-one even listens to the evidence and just walk away, and then we have to take a good look from a neutral point of view and weigh up the evidence.It sounds mad, but some of the greatest ideas ever were ignored and laughed at: heavier than air flying machines, evolution, science/atheisim.Just give it a shot.

Originally posted by Outrageo

I wonder, John, if such an Alien has ever looked you in the eye.

If he did I can't remember.

If so, to what degree did your mind say, "uh-oh"?

Hoooooollllllyyyyyyyy ***********************! Or something to that effect.

Ahhh - then you were personally contacted. Or not.

A bit of a contradiction, but accepted.

Care to expound on why you would need to think, "Holy ***...!? Was it because you were simply startled by the encounter or because of what the alien discovered about your past?

Also, was the encounter purely telepathic or was there also an exchange of other types: verbal, physical, etc?

One more: When our soul is caught by the SC, is our fate sealed for eternity or is redemption possible?

p.s. Thanks for taking the time to interact with the rest of us (currently) mortals - I know I speak for many at ATS in this regard...

Originally posted by Outrageo

Ahhh - then you were personally contacted. Or not.

Probably, but if so, I don't consciously remember.

A bit of a contradiction, but accepted.

If they were to look deep into my soul, I would say hs.

Care to expound on why you would need to think, "Holy ***...!? Was it because you were simply startled by the encounter or because of what the alien discovered about your past?

Its not what they 'discovered' as they know whats going on at all times. If I had such an encounter, and , again, I have no conscious memory of such an encounter, I would probably be saying, "Oh yeah, I forgot about that one", many times.

Also, was the encounter purely telepathic or was there also an exchange of other types: verbal, physical, etc?

I can't remember whether or not there was an encounter. I suspect there was for other reasons. If there was an encounter I would imagine that it was purely telepathic unless it was one of those government deals where the military dresses up like aliens and do their own abductions. In that case its all drugs and hynosis, because they can't do mental telepathy.

One more: When our soul is caught by the SC, is our fate sealed for eternity or is redemption possible?

Of course, thats why we are here. To learn. To improve. And we will keep coming back to earth until we get it right. And when we finally get it right then we get to go out and play with the adults. Sleeper? Would you care to comment? Thanks.

Originally posted by Outrageo
Ahhh - then you were personally contacted. Or not.

A bit of a contradiction, but accepted.

Care to expound on why you would need to think, "Holy ***...!? Was it because you were simply startled by the encounter or because of what the alien discovered about your past?

I know your questions weren’t directed to me so feel free to ignore them. John asked for my input so here it be.

Everyone coming in contact with ET will say a whole lot more than “holy ***”. ETs will abduct for many reasons, sometimes to set you straight on a life decision you made, other times just to chitchat and give you a glimpse of the big picture, perhaps a joy ride around the planet earth, but if you are lucky a trip to another planets in this solar system.

Because John is open to these possibilities means he was abducted and shown things, that is why they are not farfetched to him.

Also, was the encounter purely telepathic or was there also an exchange of other types: verbal, physical, etc?

ET only communicates telepathically unless they are on earth in human uniform.

One more: When our soul is caught by the SC, is our fate sealed for eternity or is redemption possible?

Those sucked into a SC may not be redeemable, or something else is going on that I’m not aware of.

Most souls go to other solar systems, or other dimensions depending what level of enlightenment they are at.

99% of all souls are redeemable, but some have to go through the ringer of hellish proportions to get there.