British UFO hacker will be extradited to the U.S.

Infinite wrote: ""The reason why he is being extradited is causing he is your typical script kiddie who doesnt understand that if you pissing around on a Government system you cover your tracks. And, if your not smart enough to cover them, don't damage files. He hasn't seen anything, he doesnt know any secrets, he isn't the messiah of your "UFO Cult", just a script kiddie who thinks he is a real hacker.""



Or maybe the skeptics dont have the intuition to be open minded enough about such matters.

Nice 'crown of thorns' in your avatar, the flag of cowards traitors and unelected criminals.

[edit on 12-5-2006 by rustiswordz]

Xphilesphan i agree with you, I'm sure Americas justice system is as fair as anyone elses in the world. But assuming Gary McKinnons allegations were true is it not likely that someone would put pressure on the judge to give this guy a harsher sentence? It's Already obvious they want to make an example out of him. If he gets the 60/70 years that everyone is talking about he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail and for what? A child could do what he did and I'm sure they do. If anything he did the US a favor and made them aware of the serious vulnerabilities in their computer system. That may not have been his intentions but they were lucky it was this ex-hairdresser and not a disgruntled employee or some pissed off teenager in China.

IMO a fair punishment would be around 5 years in prison and banned from the Internet for a further 10.

Whether or not his story of suppressed technology is true is irrelevant, he broke the law and needs to be punished. Those calling on others to do the same makes me laugh, you've obviously seen what happened to this guy and you expect others to do the same?

I reckon he got high and came up with this ridiculous story of aliens and spaceships. I'm sure there is suppressed tech out there that we wont know about for maybe 50 years or so but I'd like to give the US military a little credit and think that they would keep this info off of any Internet connected network. It's possible that what McKinnon stumbled upon was little more than a honey pot and has now been called upon and made an example of.

Originally posted by rustiswordz
Or maybe the skeptics dont have the intuition to be open minded enough about such matters.

If being open minded means worship a script kiddie, who had an unsuccessful hack at NASA..then count me out. So we are to believe he got into NASA's "UFO Section" which is probably level 5+ security, on a secret server and he managed to view pictures?...again, let me point out, this guy has never said how he done it, a typical hackers tools like Telnet, SSH and Unix terminals do not allow images to view due to their command prompt style. Im recall he said he used programs downloaded from the internet? Script kiddies tools dont break Federal systems.

Let me basically give you a brief sketch. NASA has numerous servers, which contain information, some telnet sites that give out information on planets, shuttle specs, etc and File service that may able contain plans about travel, etc *view NASA FTP in a graphical brower and you will see a graphic of a moon base* still, nothing top secret. Lets move on to their mail server and private. The main thing you will notice is the warning "this is a federal system..blah,blah, illegal access, blah, IP log" meaning, you frig around on their computer, they have your details. Everything which is highly top secret will not be placed in unwated eyes and certainly would not give clues on how to access it. Im not being a "skeptic" you are talking to someone how spent time browsing around on system you shouldnt touch, ive had my days on mil and gov systems...trust me, nothing top secret is left in open view. Even trying to search for information, gives them a reason to come looking for you.

The US Government does have a policy about hackers, if they just "log in" and do not touch anything, the Government are likely not to do anything about it. (Interesting documentry on National Geographic about hacking covered this), but when you access files, attempt to crack files, they will convict you.

Your more likely to find top secret information on a google search *if you know the commands well enough* than a Government computer.

Is it really hacking if it didn't even need a password to get into a supposedly secure network? Apparently he wasn't even the only person on the network either, so are the other "hackers" going to be punished? How about actually finding out who set up the security and put him or her on trial for endangering their country's security? Or is that a bit too much?

Whatever he found out about U.F.O'S is probably already known and been reveiled by some people. UFO's and the Greys are from the future, the Greys are your future relatives, hard to believe ain't it. There is a reason for the abductions of humans and the medical experiments being conducted. Something happens in our DNA in generations to come and the environment plays a big part in the change. In the future humans have to live underneath the ground because its impossible to live on the earth the weather conditions are very severe. We are only seeing the changes starting to take place now.

How many of you people remember hearing the stories several years ago coming out of India about strange monkeys being seen? Some of that information might still be on the web. I believe these monkey-men were in the early stages of being developed by the "greys" and somebody tried to sabatoge that program and sent them back to this time frame. There were shoot to kill orders given on those monkey-men. As we became the "greys" we lost most of our human emotions. The monkey-men are more like us with every bit of human compassion, love, feelings, etc. BUT try to understand they don't like who they are and that we created them.

How do I know all this? Many years ago I was abducted like so many others.

About 16 years ago when I was in college I studied every monkey and ape in this world, I intentionally took this class. I could not find one monkey or ape that even came close to these ones. There are similarities but nothing that even comes close to these.

Quote: No, it was written in 2000 and was released on the Freedom of Information Act. Its another UFO file that states the same thing, look through the MOD and you will find numerous files on UFO.

It may have been written in 2000 but it is coincidental that it was secretly released days after Mckinnon was interviewd by the BBC..


Quote: The reason why he is being extradited is causing he is your typical script kiddie who doesnt understand that if you pissing around on a Government system you cover your tracks. And, if your not smart enough to cover them, don't damage files. He hasn't seen anything, he doesnt know any secrets, he isn't the messiah of your "UFO Cult", just a script kiddie who thinks he is a real hacker.


Er He has not been extradited yet His Solicitor is in the process of an appeal...

I would trust the UK LegalSystem more than I would the US Legal System but thats my own opinion....

The Guardian: Mathew "Kuji" Bevan interview

Despite US prosecution claims that he perpetrated "the biggest military computer hack of all time", Mr McKinnon's supposed achievements are by no means unique. The attempt to extradite him to answer charges in Virginia and New Jersey is far more unusual. Systems run by Nasa, the Pentagon and the Department of Defence have long been hackers' trophy targets. His misfortune, apparently, was to get caught, and to have carried out his explorations shortly after September 11.

According to security experts, US military sites are not the most heavily protected on the internet. They rely on the deterrent threat of legal action rather than deploying highly sophisticated software or enforcing best practice among military personnel.

The Guardian: Game over

"I had very little evidence," he admits. "It's not a very good bargaining chip at all, really, is it?"

Given that the justice department has announced that the information Gary downloaded was not "classified", and he was stoned much of the time, perhaps we can assume that Nasa is not too worried about his "discoveries".

I belive he is a script kiddie also that exploit he was using worked back in 2002,
but the scanning proccess on 56k dial-up would take for ever inless he was using a few shell accounts witch I doubt.
and plus most of them computers he was talking about wouldn't have the ports open due to being behind a router so i really doubt he has seen anything. mabye pissed off the goverment by trying to access these computers.

but thats what i think im not 100% sure on this fact just going by what i already know about what he was doing.

About the Kevin Mitnick's case...

from the Wikipedia article on Kevin Mitnick

Mitnick continues to claim that his treatment was unfair and has alleged that at one time he was held in solitary confinement for 8 months because his girlfriend "Suzy Thunder" told authorities Mitnick could cause a nuclear attack by whistling into a phone.

LOL *giggles uncontrollably, effecting typing*

"whistle down the phone... SOLITARY" lol

*wiping tears from eyes*

Im not saying it isn’t possible of course. lol

I reckon it may be possible McKinnon is getting such a hard time especially with the rumours of a lengthy jail term because he dared to say THE forbidden words on national TV, "FREE ENERGY".

200 years for suggesting that. lol

UK has approved extradition of Gary McKinnon to the United States.

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by rustiswordz
Or maybe the skeptics dont have the intuition to be open minded enough about such matters.

a typical hackers tools like Telnet, SSH and Unix terminals do not allow images to view due to their command prompt style. Im recall he said he used programs downloaded from the internet? Script kiddies tools dont break Federal systems.

im not defending me in any way, but hackers dont use that stuff anymore. a script kiddie couldnt even get into my moms computer with telnet.

an from what i remember the guy claimed he was veiwing the files remotely. im guessing he was in more of a net meeting session. which is the easiest way to get caught. noting the computer probably saved his ip.

Typical of the UK to bend right over for the US once again. If Gary McKinnon had hacked into any other countries system and they were trying to extradite him I seriously doubt the UK would ship him out.

A) how do you know this is not more disinfo....maybe they persueded him to act stupid. To act as if he was a dumb# that didnt know what hes doing...theres still holes in this story...real fishy.

B) If we are greys why do we still inhabit earth? Why do we have spacecraft? If we can go back in time we surely have technology to save the earth if not inhabit a "new" planet

By the way

B) is directed at "Katie"

First off this guy is a bit of a misfit. The word "loser" enters my mind quite a bit, but I give him credit for being crazy enough to do what he did.

Second, he should play hardball...and I mean the deal should be simple: I did something wrong, put me in minimum security prison with no computers for 6-12 months or I will make up even grander UFO stories that may not be true, but cause even more people to want to 1) hack into your military systems 2) create a mess of UFO nuts bothering you 3) make the US look like they are really hiding something important and cause even greater mistrust among the international community.

If he said: "I saw pictures of dead greys", "I saw names of people being forced to work in dangerous irradiated places at Area 51", "I saw Nazi-like rules being enforced at Area 51", "I saw US officials tied to illegal space based weapons testing"....and on and on. Doesn't matter if it's true. The news media will eat it up, there's no way to prove that what he says isn't true.

The US is crazy to keep giving this guy a soapbox to talk. The US should of just told the UK: "Put the guy in prison for two years, no extradition, and no computers or he gets a longer sentence...and we can be done with this nut."

This guy isn't a terrorist, the US is wasting time on this. He doesn't have ties to terrorism or espionage. He did do something wrong and should be punished, but his intent is pretty obvious. Cut a deal, and get on with it.

i find it very strange that when he first got caught he was facing a possible 6 months but then they changed the cyber crime laws so that he would get 60 years....



at this point im not saying i believe this guy 100% but i sure believe him more then the us goverment... i would trust any thing over the goverment any day for i know they are only there to lie for obvious reasons im sure most of you on here knows about.

i'm not sure what you people define what a "sript kiddie" is but to
me a "script kiddie" is a person who uses and existing program
that takes advantage of an existing vulnerability.

in this video:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

mckinnon, mentions that he writes a "perl script" to scan for
"blank" admin passwords. unless he was lying about actually
coding the script, ask yourselves, how is he a script kiddie when
he coded the malicious ware himself?





[edit on 2-10-2006 by AwakenedOne]

Because he didnt code anything he used pc anywhere which was already on the Gov systems with no password protection. And as for what he saw he was viewing picture files on the remote system in 8 bit colour those pictures could have been anything at all using such low resolutions as 8 bit and being stoned at the time isnt evidence of anything.

I have sympathy with this guy because he is British and he shouldnt have been extradited but his whole UFO business is nothing but his imagination and a hacker by any defintion he was not as far as I know he made no attempts to hide his IP address whatsoever.

He also got caught so easily because he was using the pc anywhere software and everyone standing at the computer could see what he was doing in real time. He also mentioned in a radio interview I have heard how he was dumb enough to actually talk to someone standing there using notepad.

As for him damaging the systems he was on I have no idea about that whatsover I'm skeptical at the amounts quoted but I think he did delete local accounts which could have been a big hassle to set right again.

Shouldnt be in as much trouble as he is in but again only has himself to blame for it as well.

Hope this clears a few things up.


[edit on 2-10-2006 by Teknikal]

If anyone should be punished it´s those who left the door wide to open.
Imagine what the KGB or any other secret service does if even such a crack pot
could intrude their system !

The USA ridicule themselves by punishing that guy.