Rare mirage appears off east China shore

Originally posted by Knights
Actually my comment wasn't showing ignorance, well not in my eyes! I did not state the effect was supernatural and i'd be the first to admit my knowledge on the subject is minimal.

(My emphasis)
Knights,
the bolded portion above is what I take the word "ignorance" to mean. We are all ignorant on various different subjects, just some more than others.

Originally posted by Knights If you read my post however, I did not give an opinion on whether it was supernatural or not, i merely asked for proof that it was a reflection and if examples could be provdied. I still have an open mind on the subject and found your links informative, well the last link anyway!

I'm glad you found my links informative. I hope they sufficed as "proof that it was a reflection" and as "examples" as you requested.

I'm no mirage expert either. I just happened to have read about Fata Morganas in "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader" last year sometime. I recognized the posted pic for what it was. Found the links through Google. You could have done the same. So, don't be so ready to accept supernatural explanations, makes you look like a primitive!

Originally posted by Knights

Exactly, not other dimensions, just a reflection from other parts of the Chinese city.
Sometimes I wish people would stop assuming things are other-dimensional, or spiritual in nature.

This is what I do not take kindly too, and i mean to cause no offence to the author, I just do not like to be told something and it be classed as fact until that particular investigation has been fully proven. The article did not state it as being a reflection and I will keep an open mind on the subject until a fact is stated, until then I will keep an open and un-ignorant viewpoint.

Hopefully, if you scanned through what my links were saying, you'll realize now that all mirages are reflections. The article did, after all, say it was a mirage - right in the title. I didn't read the whole article, just looked at the picture, so I don't know if they used the word "reflection" or not. Seems like I remember that they did, though.

Harte

[edit on 5/9/2006 by Harte]

Look it has to be photo shopped..

what else can it be since 1000s of people saw it?

If it is a city somewhere and is a reflection thereof then it should not be that difficult to identify it then?

I'm betting that it is no known city, the looks of it now don't cause any recognition that I can make.

Originally posted by dgtempe
That's just it. None of the locals there can identify any of it according to all the articles. These people are intelligent and my guess is would debunk this in an instant like we would.

That depends. I could put together a view of your city that you couldn't recognize (flip sections of it (if you looked at the reference I gave, sections can be flipped) or warp it slightly.) This same mirage has appeared in this location many times; if you got a couple of engineers there, they could tell you where the sister city was.

There's something about that locale that makes mirages form there more often (as they also do in deserts.) It looks as though there's different mirages depending on the time of day (the light-bending by the atmosphere layers depend on whether you see city or mountains.

I've seen the same thing in S. California desert. It's a mirage. If the city had no cars, or only horsedrawn buggies or even flying cars, I might believe a miracle or another dimension. I'd be more willing to believe a hologram than another dimension.

In the spring in Ridgecrest, California, in the early morning hours, conditions are periodically right for a mirage of a city with cars, etc. It is a reflection of either Ridgecrest or nearby town, caused by atmosperic conditions. Sorry, no magic. It does look cool, though.

Originally posted by Knights i merely asked for proof that it was a reflection and if examples could be provded.

Originally posted by Harte I'm glad you found my links informative. I hope they sufficed as "proof that it was a reflection" and as "examples" as you requested.

Proof?! No not exactly, it was a theory. An example of my views, a moving light in the sky may be classed as a comet, does that mean every moving light in the sky is a comet? By proof I would want a reverse picture of the reflection showing which part of the city was being reflected.. simple proof!! No theory actual proof! . How hard can it be!

Originally posted by Dulcimer
All links covering this story are from the likes of china daily, daily india etc.

These are not exactly the best sources for anything.

I think they are saying that political, military and economic issues are often subject to spin when presented in media in socialistic countries... mind you they are over here too in the America's so go figure?

But I have a tendency to believe that the same media in the socialistic world has a more open mind about these kind of weird and wonderful stories than many of their counterparts in the west. I'm impressed that Russia for example has become very open about UFO's and other such topics while they are still taboo in the US government.

That is why I see no reason to doubt this source on this story... see no real reason for it since it has been known to happen before.

This happens on Lake Michigan every now and then. I've never witnessed it but many people said they have seen Chicago or Milwaukee on the water before.

mikell

PengLai is about 50 miles across a strait from the cities of Port Arthur and Luda, at the North end of the Yellow Sea.

I did find a picture of Dalian city near Port Arthur taken onland, there are a couple similar features, but I don't think it's conclusive

www.broughton-jnr.lincs.sch.uk...

Edited to add link.

[edit on 9-5-2006 by berglion]

Hey dg

Look at this mirage I was able to get a snapshot of!

img147.imageshack.us...

We know now that Muffy went to a good place.

Originally posted by berglion
PengLai is about 50 miles across a strait from the cities of Port Arthur and Luda, at the North end of the Yellow Sea.

I did find a picture of Dalian city near Port Arthur taken onland, there are a couple similar features, but I don't think it's conclusive

Good find! There are some very similar features in that photo, most notably the building with the large spire, or antenna, on top. If you picture this town from a different angle this could be the place.

I guess a little malfunction in the holographic cloaking devices that keep the aliens hidden.

How about this?

Certainly is interesting.

What if we started to see stuff like this all over the globe?

Provided the image with the buildings is legit, that is one heck of a detailed mirage. In my opinion, too detailed for a random image created by atmospheric conditions, like with a mirage. Reflection or some other explanation would be better than a mirage.

Another dimension, that would be cool, but what would the meaning be? Holographic image, still cool, again what would be the meaning?
A reflection might not be exciting, but if so, it's still a cool image.

Troy

something similar to this happened a few years back in the algarve in portugal where i live.

A pal of mine was in a busy beach bar when the police turned up and started evacuating meia praia beach (the largest natural bay in Europe), they informed everyone a tidal wave was coming and expected to hit in 20 minutes. The scenes of pandamonium were unbelievable, people fled like ants, ran out of restraunts without paying etc.

My pal called me and told me to get off the beach near my house..(about 3 miles up the coast), fortunatley i was in my house (about 200metres back from the beach), i went on my balcony to take a look with my binoculars and sure enough out at sea was what appeared to be a huge 100 metre tidal wave heading in land!

In realitty it turned out to be a weird heat haze illusion, the new captaineer in Lagos had not herad of this phenomenan and ordered the immediate evaciation of all of the algarves beaches, bearing in mind there had been a huge earthquake in turkey a few days before. He was severley repremanded for not checking with the seismic centre at sagres before issuing his orders but in hind sight he reacted quickly and would have undoubtedley saved hundreads of lives if the wave had been real.

I can remember seeing hundreads of people legging it up the beach in mass panic but what was really funny was finding out later a load of surfers had been arrested for refusing to leave the water, telling the police it was the ultimate wave they had been waiting for all their lives...lol......muppets!


news.bbc.co.uk...

the news article plays the story down to much, i was there and it was genuine mass panic!

Originally posted by jsobecky
Hey dg

Look at this mirage I was able to get a snapshot of!

img147.imageshack.us...

We know now that Muffy went to a good place.

Har har hardy har har!!!

Dezertsk,

If that is a genuine picture of the mirage, you certainly have something there! Thank you for the comparison. That makes sense to me.

As far as the "source" of the story, oh please stop it ya'll. It happened its a real occurence there.

My theory on what may be the mechanics behind the forming of this mirage. is infact a more sinister view than others may have, could it possibly have been part of a holographic imagery experiment the govt. was dealing with purposely in that particular area, fine tuning their skills over the previous years? it seems strange to me that this place has seen mirages in the past, but obviously none of this magnitude and clarity. which to me raises another concern dealing with the certain topic areas that where bandied around years ago to do with holographics and christian orientated govts. toying with the idea of projecting Jesus in the skies to falsify beliefs in something that is completely generated by means that arn't divine.

the comparison between two photo skylines seems feasible, yet in the background of the photo with the ferris wheel you see water than another land mass
so for this mirage to pinpoint the skyline in question it has mysteriously skipped the part of land in the distance (inteligently perhaps)

the whole 'nother dimension factor i think is wrong as far as paralell reality is concerned, they wouldn't be as stupid as to continue driving cars. although i do believe it is glimpsing a multi-dimensional facet of our current reality.

new thought popped in to my mind, time loop skip, it is more than plausible to assume that at some point in the earth's rotation in say the last 20 years (bringing the proposed skyline i dismissed photo back in to question) that what the mirage was displaying could have actually been happening from years earlier. and than became subject to witness's 2 days ago, I reckon quantum physics might be able to stand up to that, energy signatures.

Namaste,

Americans have Unidentified Flying Objects.

Chinese have Unidentified Flying Cities.

It's the new space race, and guess who's losing?

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Thank You Dezertsk for doing that, I think you solved the mystery. It would seem the humidity and evaporation from the water was so intensely high at that point, it acted like water will and gave back a reflection that showed up as an image setting on top of the water. The image was distorted but from what you have shown it is Penglai City.

I live in the Appalachian mountains and from a distance when you view the mountains they show up as blue, thus the Blue Ridge Mountains but the blue people see is actually the evaporation of the water from the trees.