North Wales paedophilia ring exposed: Masonic involvement.

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its like this if i killed another child when i was too young to prosecute free masons would set my life up as a criminal, and have me driven out of every job i had,so i would have to resort to crime to servive .

Y'know. I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this.

free masons will always blame others to protect themselves

I think you are looking in the mirror and not recognizing who you see mate.

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if you go into my profile and read all my posts you will have a good idea. failing that , when i was about 3-4 years old social workers were comming to my home giving me and my brothers sugar lumps from their hip pockets.my grandmother was looking after us as my mother was always out on the town she beged us not to eat the sugar lumps,but we did.during this time i threw a brick at the boy next door there was blood every where .some time after this my baby brother died.the mother of the boy next door and my mother conspiered to make me think i had been responsible for his death. he died of double pneumonia as i have seen the death certificate. even the funaral directors were involved asking us which one of us was d.... when they came to take the body away. i spent a lot of my formative years suffering from drug withdrawals becase of social workers and sugar lumps. things were also going on in houses but are unclear to me. a boy called l.r. and i were in the back of a police car for throwing stones at another child and setting fire to a house ,people were banging on the windows shouting you little bastards. i was also given a knife by older children and told to go and stab some one and i did. a social worker called d.h. was comming to the house taking me in his giving me sugar lumps and telling me to have sex with other children and to steal from my mother .yes he was stitching me up. at the age of 7 me and my sibblings were placed in a childrens homes ,the social worker d.h. came there and singled me out saying theres that nasty little boy . my mother also came there telling them i killed my baby brother.the staff and all the children were turned against me, and showed me their hate. i was given sugar lumps and put in a small room with a girl by the older children some were almost 18. they watched me having sex as i had been tought to do by d.h. i was hypnatised there for some reason and was placed in another block away from the other children . were was another older boy there a.c.o. a 15 year old he said dont moan to me your over here because you killed a kid an he was there for nothing . to cut a long story short i was told i was going to be made famouse when older .and every body who entered my life became involved social services foster pearents police etc some were free masons minipulating events . you see if you drug some one in your house then they are not responsible for what you get them to do. people who knew me from my childhood became involved in my life when i returned to the town of my birth after leaving foster care .during my time in foster care my foster father told his brother i was going to be stitched right up when i was older and was calling me a bastard to people when my foster mother was not around. he knew as a police officer who had me and l.r. in the back of a police car when small children married a woman from a village up the road from my foster care home. i spoke to the police officer years later who is now a court usher and a free mason about the conspiracy and he said theres nothing you can do about it it goes on every where and where is l.r. now. when i first went to prison after being spiked with drugs ,and comfirmed by people they were making comments about stab them young , and prison officers were saying he needs a knife between his ribs. yes drugged and framed all my life by free masons was it to cover up free mason paedophiles or revenge or both?

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when i was about 3-4 years old social workers were comming to my home giving me and my brothers sugar lumps from their hip pockets.
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Oh dear. Red Rum was given sugar lumps from his owners hip pocket and he went on to win the Grand National a record three times. As well as that, if, while resting in his stable, he had had access to a computer he would have been typing more senseable posts than you!
I don't like masonry. Anything that revels in secrecy and seems to be, in not all instances-granted, a elitist club will always get my heckles rising. But there's a big difference between airing your concerns and debating the whole masonic ideal, and simply going out of your way to insult and accuse these people of all being child molesters.
With respect, I think you should have a close hard look at what your saying and then issue an apology to those people you have insulted.

I have been reading this thread with a mix of horror and stunned disbelief. I find it absolutely astounding the lengths some people will go to to pull 'facts' from the air in an attempt to discredit an organisation and fuel your paranoid delusion that everyone is out to get you by controlling the world. I find it incredible that this discussion is even taking place. if you want to know what freemasons do then the way to find out is really simple - ask one! Once you have asked then maybe you will stop fabricating the answer in your own head. If you have failed in life so far (I am not saying you have - I am just saying IF) then that is down to you and your choices - not some vast conspiracy against you. Take control, take some responsibility and stop blaming everyone else, or some convenient faceless organisation.

Seek help, preferably of the professional kind, and not the kind found on discussion forums, and I hope you find the peace you have been fighting against.

here is a solution. during the initiation ritual of a new born baby mason, you should wrap magical cord around their loins and make them swear a blood oath that they will not rape children or you will divide the lodge in half and play tug of war. i do think it is unfair to label all masons as pedi's. they are for sure a minority. but with great power comes great responsability. the secrecy of this order is a dangerous power to leave in the hands of imperfect man. is there not a solution to this issue. i've heard you masons talk about masonry as an evolutionary order. EVOLVE. make preventing these crimes your number one charity work. what use is it to make good men better if they do not in turn take responsability for making the world better in any way that is needed.

Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Here it is, proof from a veritable news source about Masonic involvement in a paedophilia ring.

This is for all those Satanic Ritual Abuse sufferers who have come to this site and had their voices drowned out with calls of 'proof! proof! proof!'

Well here it is:

Link

External source (icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk...)

Former Birmingham police officer Raymond Ketland, 66, of Nant y Coed, Glan Conwy, became involved with the girl after noticing sexual activity on Llanddulas beach.

He admitted two charges of sexual activity with a minor, taking indecent photographs of a child and facilitating a child sex offence, and was jailed for two and a half years.

Ketland had become involved partly through a fellow Mason.

Andrew Thomas, prosecuting, said: "He recognised one of them as a fellow member of his Masonic Lodge, who walked up to him and asked 'Do you want to have a bit of fun?' He pointed out a girl who was with them."

Mr Thomas later confirmed Ket-land had refused to divulge the identity of his fellow Mason to investigating officers.

Catholic Bishop Gerard Crane, called as a character witness by Ketland's defence, said his friend was "totally distraught" at what had happened.

The scariest part is that he called the a Bishop as a character witness! The rot it seems is very very deep.

Thanks to a friend at davidickeforum.com for alerting me to this news story.

How do 2 men make up a ring ? They cannot even form a circle standing on the streets.


These 2 guys could have attended the same book club and therefore recognise each other.I dont see how this proofs much about masons unless everyone agreeing with that point of view is ready to condem every christian or catholic or islamitic church goer in the world.

Add to that the fact that this story is being excagerated by calling it a pedophile ring makes this just another "hyped for the tabloids" story using abused children's story to desperatly try to point the finger at someone.

I wish William Cooper was still alive so that he could tear Masonry to pieces like he used to and like it should be.

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Originally posted by frozenspark
I wish William Cooper was still alive so that he could tear Masonry to pieces like he used to and like it should be.

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Why not the vatican aswell if i may ask?
Aren't there a lot of priests found guilty of the same crimes?


I am no mason and i have my suspicions about high degree masonery but the hypocrisy is just of the chart in this thread.

relax.. Vatican is just as evil as Freemasonry. Obviously I did not mention it as this thread is about Freemasonry.

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My apologies Frozenspark.
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Originally posted by frozenspark
relax.. Vatican is just as evil as Freemasonry. Obviously I did not mention it as this thread is about Freemasonry.

Nobody has shown any evidence that Freemasonry is "evil". In fact, it has been shown time and time again to be a force for good.

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Could be but then again these low level mason or lodges could very well be a front.Much like how Mafia's and other criminal organisations work using Innocent Fronts and Patsy's to detract from the real intentions and actions.

I dont claim to know wether the free masonery on any level is in the evil buiseness of taking over the world or anything but i wont deny it either.Free masons/Templars have been part of some pretty high level religious and political wars and the founders of the first banking system.This should at least leave some room for suspicion on their agenda's as they had substantial political and monutary influence in the distant past.


Yet again this does not make the vatican look good in comparison, not by a long shot as they seem to have that excact same influence today,the vatican could feed africa for at least 10 years and still make big money as they do but we dont see them do much of that.They do however have these positive innocent reputable fronts like churces and shelters giving away food that costs them nothing but pennies.





OT. People like policemen and judges have been known to work together participating in sexual (child)abuse , i dont see the point in calling out on all masons here unless we are ready to condem the entire world population following that logic.

Freemasonary is not evil. I work with Freemasons. My Dad was a Freemason. The higher grades of Freemasonary eg The Illuminati. Now they are evil.

Don't tar Freemasons with the same brush as the Illuminati. It's not the same.

Originally posted by stevcolx
Freemasonary is not evil. I work with Freemasons. My Dad was a Freemason. The higher grades of Freemasonary eg The Illuminati. Now they are evil.

Don't tar Freemasons with the same brush as the Illuminati. It's not the same.

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Pedophilia and Freemasonry cannot co-exist peaceably.

Committing a crime against another human is incompatible with our tenets and those involved are not Masons. Any legitimate lodge would suspend and demit them if the allegations were proven.

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I try to be fair and prudent when defending Freemasonry because I believe all people should be able to have a viewpoint that is equal.

It's hard, though, to remain objective when this kind of hate and slander is directed at a group because of some prejudicial ignorance.

Perhaps you guys would be happy to see us Masons wearing a "Forget Me Not" on our shirts as a clear sign to the powers that be that we belong to an evil and malicious organization?

Maybe you would have us sew a big scarlet "G" on our shirt so we can be identified clearly as bad guys, and be shunned by society.

What then?

Perhaps you could charter some train cars to put us in Mason Camps so our vile tenets won't influence your pure and just society.

Maybe you could roast us alive like King Philip of France; or crucify us like the Vatican;

Perhaps you could even send us to the gas chamber like Hitler did when tens of thousands of Freemasons were put to death because they refused to believe that our lives and our souls are subject to the whims of another man.

Maybe next you could march from city to city with your torches and burn down our 22 Shriner's Hospitals that provide a half a BILLION dollars of free medical care for children every year.

There is nothing I can say to someone who is so dead-set against Masonry that the vile actions of two men are enough 'evidence' to turn their mind against an entire group, to convince them that the other MILLIONS of masons aren't pedophiles.

Forgive my anger, but it's awfully easy to foment hate from behind the anonymity of a computer screen against another person or group when you have an audience of thousands and no obligation to tell the truth.

To anyone that would listen to the voice of reason, though, let them hear:

No true Freemason will lie to you about the nature of the fraternity.

No true Freemason would ever harm another person except in the defense of the defenseless.

No true Freemason would violate the laws of his nation willfully.

No true Freemason would harm a child.

No true Freemason would push his beliefs onto another member of the human family.

And so, as a Freemason, I tell you that these horrific acts have nothing whatever to do with us or our fraternity. But because I believe you are entitled to your own opinion I understand if you cannot believe me.

emsed, you hit it on the head, again.

reply to post by frozenspark

Why? What has Masonry done that it deserves defaming? Privacy is not a bad thing, everyone practices it. There is no real evidence of wrong doing and its just either paranoia, ignorance, or blind hatred that drives the conspiracies against the Craft.

Plus, these men were acting on their own accord, not on the ideals of Freemasonry. There is always bad apples in the bunch.

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How is it that non-Masons think they know more about the structure of the organization than the members? Its the height of arrogance. Do you think most of us just complete morons? Do you think we didn't do any research before joining? A majority of the time, what non-Masons think is the heirarchy and how the command structure works is completely wrong.

Again, there is no concrete evidence that the Crusading Templars and Freemasonry has ever been connected. At this point, without any real evidence, its a romantics idea.

I think we all need to remember how John F. Kennedy stated that all secret societies need to be dissolved. Nothing should be done behind closed doors.
We're seeing the same thing with the Bilderberg meeting this past weekend.

I don't believe all Masons are bad, but they ride on the same elevator as the Illuminati.

If the Illuminati said to each Freemason the words that George W. Bush spoke to the American people: "You're either with us or you're against us."

I would hope that most Masons would turn their backs.

We need to remember the definition of a cult.
I believe that churches fall under this category as well.

We all need to be very careful about which groups we concern ourselves with. There are many who don't have your best interest in mind.

reply to post by Afterthought

The irony of the government official saying that we shouldn't do something behind closed doors is thick.

Cult: a group of individuals that hold similar beliefs and adhere to certain principles.

Many things could be defined as a cult, not just fraternities or churches.

Originally posted by Afterthought
I think we all need to remember how John F. Kennedy stated that all secret societies need to be dissolved. Nothing should be done behind closed doors.

If you actually read Kennedy's speech, you'd realize he said no such thing.

The problem with those secret societies is that they are protected by the government. The 'Bad Seeds' that are in those societies will and usually do get away with murder and paedophilia. You just have to look at the awful HOLLIE GREIG case.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Look what happened to her and alot of other kids up in Scotland. The Scottish and English government are covering up this awful case. They are not only covering it up but some of the senior heads of Grampian Police are still actively harrassing and jailing the Investigative Journalist Robert Green who's trying seek justice for this awful case.

Now, this is being coveted by the local Freemason clubs in Scotland. But the higher up members are the ones doing it. The usual run of the mill granny handshake lower grade Freemasons have nothing to do with it and are not aware of it either. The vast majority of Freemasons know nothing of the BS that goes on higher up!!!!