Egyptian Desert Circles

Has anyone seen anything about these circles in the Saharran Desert South of the Pyramids (and west of the Cairo Nuclear facility)

N29 deg 56'15.9" and E31 deg 07'32.7"

nope

this is the 1st I heard of them.

I'd love to see some pix

and get some research of it.

Originally posted by carlwfbird
Has anyone seen anything about these circles in the Saharran Desert South of the Pyramids (and west of the Cairo Nuclear facility)

N29 deg 56'15.9" and E31 deg 07'32.7"

Yes, I was looking at these today while in Atlantis/Flood review mode.

See the following Link.

www.satellitediscoveries.com...

Quite interesting.

I saw something also today about a Pyramid, which they believe is still uncovered near the Giza Plateau it'self. See the Following.

www.satellitediscoveries.com...

I am sure, this is the first of MANY major finds in the next few years. All over the Mid East and abroad, things are going to be popping up.

Exciting days for sure.

Ciao

Shane

It's interesting how the circular shapes are layed out simmetrically and form a defensive barrier AGAINST the pyramids and Cairo. The site claims them as SAM locals, but I don't buy that. The erosion marks upon the surface area are old, and when you examine the site INSIDE the tower-like circles, you'll notice that it, too, has been heavily worn upon. I believe this was once an outpost for another city beyond Cairo. But Cairo has always been an important center for trade and commerse, why would someone want to defend against it? I wonder if it has anything to do with the idea that the Nile River once flowed along a different path?

"Another major Nile tributary, which has been dry for perhaps three thousand years, once flowed from Chad through the Sahara and intersected the Nile near modern Dongola, Sudan. This ancient river system, called the Wadi Howar, once kept the western desert of Sudan well watered, and from about 8000.to 1000 B.C. it nurtured extensive population groups along its banks. Recent surface surveys in this now lifeless region by Dr. Bergit Keding and a team from the Heinrich Barth Institute of the Univesity of Cologne, Germany, have revealed traces of many complex, previously unknown ancient cultures. Since there is no water or other means of supplying an archaeological expedition here, only very limited excavations have taken place, but future finds here will surely expand dramatically our knowledge of the Nubian Neolithic and the history of cultural evolution in Africa."


Info about another Nile path in ancient times

The above quote was taken from this site. It is a possibility that this structure once sat near to and perhaps protected a vital water source. Perhaps BEFORE Cairo. Now there's some food for thought.

Does anyone know when these 'circles' were made?

Originally posted by Omniscient
Does anyone know when these 'circles' were made?

Not yet, as far as I've been able to find out. I was curious so I made some calls. The people I talked to said that they are a relatively new discovery and that the government is not allowing anyone else in until they've had their own archaeologists examine the site. I'll post more as I find out.

Originally posted by Omniscient
Does anyone know when these 'circles' were made?

They're modern. I was trying to figure out if they're simply oil/gas wells (don't know if there are any in the area) or irrigation features. But they're within the past 2-3 decades (otherwise sand would have buried them.

The weird rectangles are people's houses at Very Low Resolution. You can see the same structures "across the street" to the left/west, in higher resolution (29 57 35.88 N, 31 06 21.29 E, among others.) And if you look near those houses, you'll see square structures that look rather round-ish where the shadows give the same effect and the same effect of a semicircle with an opening on one side. Zooming in on one (29 57 29.78N, 31 06 02.49E) makes things a little clearer. It appears to be a local water well or fountain or cistern or some sort. Given the green spots and roads in the area of the "mysterious circles", it's far more likely that they're water wells for the gardens around them.

Frankly, I'd be REAL cautious about any site that "makes discoveries" based on the LOW-rez imagery.

To get an idea of just how bad it is to try and make judgements from those images, look at the area of the Giza Pyramid and then compare to map drawings with the topological elevations indicated :
oi.uchicago.edu...

And how few of these structures (archeologist's drawing) you can see in those Google Earth photos:
oi.uchicago.edu...


[edit on 7-5-2006 by Byrd]

couldnt they be much older and up until recently been covered by sand. Now the sand has blown away and they have shown up. Do the sands constantly shift and subsequently have revealed these anomalies?

Cheers
M4S

Originally posted by mojo4sale
couldnt they be much older and up until recently been covered by sand. Now the sand has blown away and they have shown up. Do the sands constantly shift and subsequently have revealed these anomalies?

Cheers
M4S

It is possible, sand is constantly shifting there. Byrd, can you provide a link to the images that gave you that conclusion? I'd like to check out those houses and whatnot.

I do not think that this is an old "feature" only recently found.

One of the reasons is that the area has been populated for the last 5000 years or so.

Another reason is the fact that tere is one road that leads to the North group of "circles".

Now I found that a litle for SE of that site there is something looking like some military instalations.

Thinking that if this is some kind of military defense then there must be more, I went looking in the other side of the river and found this:

So I am convinced that this may be some old military base.

All that area looks like a military base.

I found this more to the South, in the same region on the left bank of the Nile.

Originally posted by Byrd

(otherwise sand would have buried them.

Frankly, I'd be REAL cautious about any site that "makes discoveries" based on the LOW-rez imagery.

And how few of these structures (archeologist's drawing) you can see in those

Byrd

These things are under the sand, and not just part of the landscape. I do get what you noting, but I was under the assumption this is UNDER THE SAND. That is what makes it difficult for artists and the like, to draw such things into the landscape.

And look. Today we have the most obvious finds in the last 2000 Years sitting outside a city in Bosnia and who knew?? Just a Mountain?

My first impression of the Circles and Structure was a Training facility, although a buried one. Somewhere to train and raise the Pharohs Horses for the pagentry and of course military reasons. (Chariots tend to need horses.) But as noted, they are apparently SAM sites.

I found these Pictures, while viewing Underwater Lines and Anomilies that are being found of the coast of Cuba, from the Yucatan thru to Bimini, as well as picking up again near Scotland, Ireland, and both the Carnary and Azore Isles to the Old World. These seemingly coincide with structures along their routes.

They all point to something that is not there. Something in the Middle of the Atlantic Ocean

Whether they are natural or manmade, that is debatable, 100%.

But from the discription, Sub Surface Anomolies, I though this was Ground Penetrating Imagery of some design.

Never the less, they are interesting. Someone should take a shovel overthere.

Ciao

Shane

wow now crop circles ive heard about and seen humans making crop circles but why on earth would one want to spend time in the hot desert and draw circles in the sand???

Originally posted by Shane007
These things are under the sand, and not just part of the landscape.

How do you figure that? This is visible light photography and will only show what's on the surface.

It doesn't show any other underground structures or faint trails (such as the known trail drive trails here in Texas.) If it was showing those, then I'd agree that it was showing data under the sand.

Let me give you a very concrete example:
Here's the Mojave Desert. There's a very famous path across it (the Mojave Desert trail). Can you find it?
www.desertusa.com...
(the Mojave is about 35 11 54N and about 115 16 52 W or thereabouts (between I 40, I 15, and 95/66.)

Or another one -- my favorite site is the Painted Rock in Carrizo Plains of California. This is a large rock, about the size of a 4 story building. It's in a high rez area, and there's a larger area of rock underneath it (sandstone outcrop).
www.gps.caltech.edu...

It's at about 36 10 35N and 119 152 09 W (thereabouts.)

This is a higher rez section than Egypt. Can you spot the visitor center there at the National monument? I can, but that's because I've been out there. Can you spot the rock itself, the keel-shaped rock in front of it, and the tall, cup-on-its-side rock to the west of it?

These are structures that have an underground component. Do you see them on this higher rez picture?

There are several Karst Sinkholes (caves) in Austin, Texas (actually there are hundreds of them.) A large one is in Gus Fruth Park (30 14 37.34N 97 47 38.12 W or thereabouts.) Can you point to the feature on this map that outlines the known cave system? (There's hiking trails and a limestone caprock there)

I'm not playing "guess this" -- but am trying to point out to you that I looked at a number of sites with known underground areas (Carlsbad, NM) -- including those that were just barely underground and the pictures that Google displays doesn't show the structures that is there because it's using visible light.

To examine other structures, you use other wavelengths of light and other data.

And look. Today we have the most obvious finds in the last 2000 Years sitting outside a city in Bosnia and who knew?? Just a Mountain?

You know, he's been saying that for the past 3 years and has invited all sorts of people to look at it. Except nobody's confirmed his find except him. There's an old mine there that everyone agrees is ancient, but no pyramid.

Doesn't this seem a bit suspicious to you?

But from the discription, Sub Surface Anomolies, I though this was Ground Penetrating Imagery of some design.

Oh hardly! Ground penetrating imagery looks like seismic waves! Did you see that episode of Mythbusters where they tried to find Jimmy Hoffa and they showed ground penatrating imagery in action? Man, that was a real mess to look at!

Never the less, they are interesting. Someone should take a shovel overthere.

How about just a good camera! Those aren't subsurface. They really kinda look like community wells.

Hi Byrd.

Like I said, it was suggested, these where Sub-Surface Anomalies.

www.satellitediscoveries.com...

Giza Rosetau

Sub-surface anomalies have been detected in this area that may be an ancient burial site.
(About halfway down, on the Right)

Thanks for the alert and clarifying those Photo's though.

I'd still like a Guy with a Shovel out there though.

How was your trip to Egypt? Was it better than you had expected?

Ciao

Shane

Hello Again

Cut from our responses Byrd

: And look. Today we have the most obvious finds in the last 2000 Years sitting outside a city in Bosnia and who knew?? Just a Mountain?

You know, he's been saying that for the past 3 years and has invited all sorts of people to look at it. Except nobody's confirmed his find except him. There's an old mine there that everyone agrees is ancient, but no pyramid.

Doesn't this seem a bit suspicious to you?

They said the same of Schliemann while he searched for Troy.

Of course, that result of if these are infact Pyramids is yet to be established, so he can either become a Hero or a Zero. Certainly he is either running amuck in "His" five minutes, or he will Rewrite History.

And no Byrd. I do not find it suspicious. I find more will disagree with a visionary, than will agree with one. It's just the way of things.

Ciao

Shane

I still think it is some military instalation.

If not, then they are spreading, because I found this one in Syria.

Originally posted by Shane
Like I said, it was suggested, these where Sub-Surface Anomalies.

www.satellitediscoveries.com...

I don't believe there's any evidence that the speculation on this website is correct. They DO find these structures, but it's with other techniques and with better images.

How was your trip to Egypt? Was it better than you had expected?

I haven't been yet. There was an opportunity for a GIS expert on a dig there last year, but I wasn't in a position to take the job.

On the third post of this thread, Shane posted this reference:
www.satellitediscoveries.com...
If you look at the bottom pyramid on the first picture you can distinctly see the 'bevelled' sides on the left and right faces. I asked this question on a seperate thread "Has anyone ever explained why the pyramid sides are bevelled"? but got no response. I am also still interested in finding 'close-up' photographs of the facing stones which still remain at the top of Khafra's pyramid but have been unsuccessful so far and would appreciate anyones help here.
Have a nice day everyone.

Originally posted by Cowboy1
On the third post of this thread, Shane posted this reference:
www.satellitediscoveries.com...
If you look at the bottom pyramid on the first picture you can distinctly see the 'bevelled' sides on the left and right faces. I asked this question on a seperate thread "Has anyone ever explained why the pyramid sides are bevelled"?

Cowboy,
I see the "bevel" you're talking about, but I'm not sure what it is. Here's a link to a fairly good photo of Kufu's pyramid (that's the one showing the bevel) and all I can see is a place on one face that appears to be the forced opening originally used for entance (by Al Mamoon - 9th Century), along with some damaged stones above this opening, in line with it. I doubt, though, that what Shane's pic is showing is some kind of crack all the way through Kufu's pyramid - and symmetrical at that!
Photo of 2 faces of Kufu's pyramid

Originally posted by Cowboy1I am also still interested in finding 'close-up' photographs of the facing stones which still remain at the top of Khafra's pyramid but have been unsuccessful so far and would appreciate anyones help here.

I looked around, but I haven't seen any really good, close-up shots either.
But I did find this one I'm linking to:

Top of Khafre's Pyramid How's that? Good enough?

It seems sort of odd that google image doesn't return much of anything. I'm sure they are out there somewhere though. I mean, people have been up there, the facing stones have been studied (the ones that weren't robbed for other uses, anyway). It's just a matter of finding the info.

Harte