Serpo.info?

'I will release more evidence of the above facts in 4 days (May 9th)
unless a satisfactory explanation is provided.'


seems they changed the date now.


/maxwell smart\ The old keep the idiot in suspense trick /maxwell smart\

'I will release more evidence of the above facts in 4 days (May 9th)
unless a satisfactory explanation is provided.'

HMMM , thats a distressingly predictable development

they have broken the WO WOO code big time , by actually giving a absolute date in the first place

IMHO , its 2 bald men fighting over a come , a broken comb @ that - lol

slurpo shot itself in the balls when it came here , everything since has been dammage control [ lame damage control ] and desperate attempts to relight the soggy mess

I used to care about Serpo when I first read the releases and other comments. It fell apart for me when the releases became diatribes of nonsense and not analytical/well thought out logs of a commander.

Now this nonsense. It is all just ego feeding. As far as I am concerned, there was NO serpo project, period.

Originally posted by Majic
Speaking strictly as a member, and not in an official capacity, my observation is that ATS was being actively used to perpetuate and promote a hoax, that this was demonstrated conclusively in several different ways, and that the site owners wished to avoid having ATS exploited in this manner.
Allowing ATS to be hijacked for the purposes of deception would be contrary to its charter and a betrayal of the membership.

I followed the whole serpo story here at ATS, and speaking from a point of view that doesn't believe Project Serpo is actual disclosure, I would like to remind you that one of your own members, Centrist, started the thread in question. And then Bill Ryan was personally invited by one of the Three Amigos to join the discussion. Your claim of ATS being used and hijacked really makes no sense. After Bill Ryan left, the thread continued, until it was shut down. So who exactly hijacked and used what?

Originally posted by Jeddyhi
And then Bill Ryan was personally invited by one of the Three Amigos to join the discussion.

Actually, that's not correct.

I strongly advised Bill Ryan against becoming involved in the main discussion thread and urged him to consider one of the following if he wanted to tell his story on ATS:
1- A podcast interview (he did that)
2- An ATSNN interview (didn't)
3- A "Guest Speaker" event in our controlled forum (didn't)

Even after the main thread started to get difficult to manage, we offered some alternatives that included a dedicated Serpo forum where he would be the designated FSME with some ability to manage threads. He rejected that also.


We've expressed that this was the reality over and over again. I understand there's a great deal of emotional investment (and baggage) related to the "Serpo Story", and it can cause some distortion of memory.

I stand corrected, but he was invited! I still don't think ATS got hijacked or used. It was just an interesting thread for awhile that ran its course. Just my opinion.

[edit on 5/5/2006 by Jeddyhi]

well, the emails and AOL transcripts were interesting... mail fraud is Not the best of ways to make friends, me thinks.... seems kind of low and desperate to me. Kiddy porn of all things *rolls eyes*

I can see getting a bit miffed at this Monroe person for not dumping alla the info out there at once, but you can see their tactic, yes? Giving the other guys some rope and seeing what they do with it...


anyway, the stuff released on the .info site today seems to be some of the most honest and real 'information' regarding the serp-oh saga to date. MUCH better than any of 'anons' or BR's stuff, tha's fer sure...

EMAILS and CHAT TRANSCRIPTS! Woo Hoo! Finally, something we can really take a caliper to and Measure for accuracy..

rock on
twj

Originally posted by torbjon
Giving the other guys some rope and seeing what they do with it...

anyway, the stuff released on the .info site today seems to be some of the most honest and real 'information' regarding the serp-oh saga to date. MUCH better than any of 'anons' or BR's stuff, tha's fer sure...

rock on
twj

I couldn't agree more. It is quite apparent to me what is going on here. Doty and company are running scared...... big time. Note the "cc's" have been removed. I'm sure it would be quite interesting to see the names on that list!

Poor old Doty has been found to be without a clue when it comes to technology. And VM's role as co-hoaxer is self-evident. Shame, shame on you VM!

Now what we need to understand is who else is involved, and why.

Perhaps as the .info site gets updated, we'll learn more. I, for one, am watching.

There you go, Serpo again Anyway, the website is still on and actualy looks much better then before... So let's wait and see !

P.S. Shawnna good to have you back. I can tell, naming Serpo again si like a wake up call and you showed up right away

[edit on 5-5-2006 correcting Shawnna's name by Telos]





[edit on 5-5-2006 by Telos]

Originally posted by Telos

P.S. Shawna good to have you back. I can tell, naming Serpo again si like a wake up call and you showed up right away

Thanks, Telos! Guess you could say I'm 'hooked on serpo'.

PS - my name is spelled with two n n's: S-h-a-w-n-n-a

Sigh..from the start the Serpo web site wasn't very convincing.
It looked preconceived, contrived, and planned out.
Just more TABLOID noise with full promotion thrown at Ufology so people will question UFO whistle blower testimony.

Go rent the real fictional story RAY BRADBURY'S THE MARTIAN CHRONICALS. ...

"The most recent information release from the alleged anonymous former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) official seems to make such a project appear more real." -- paranormal.about.com

Note: "alleged anonymous former"

Yeah right. Anyone can make that up.

silent no more?

well check the source code of the page: tacitus1.jpg that's the head-pic

so I guess with Tactius he really refers to
de.wikipedia.org...
www.answers.com... (that's the head..isn't it ?)

pretty fitting if you read the description of that person!

--
I am not on vitors email list,

Can someone that is on his list please confirm me that this virus-hoax on this side www.serpo.info... was indeed send to the list and send from victor? thanks.

about serop and ATS,

I also found ATS over SERPO. Well I saw the ATS side once before but hmm how to say it ..it was not attracting.. it became much more interessting for me when I started to read several threads in deep. There are some very good disccusions and interessting topics.

edit:
found and added a link with the same head pic like on the 'tacitus no more' page

[edit on 5-5-2006 by g210]

"Nobody Move! I'm Taking This Forum To Serpo!"

Originally posted by Jeddyhi
So who exactly hijacked and used what?

"Anonymous" began releasing "corrections" and story elements obviously based on ATS posts.

At that point it became clear that ATS wasn't only discussing the hoax, but actively contributing to it by providing free research, proofreading and creative content services for "Anonymous".

In other words, "Anonymous" was using ATS as a writing and editorial pool for a work of semiliterate and ill-conceived fiction.

That's what I mean by "hijacking".

Originally posted by g210
I am not on vitors email list,

Can someone that is on his list please confirm me that this virus-hoax on this side www.serpo.info... was indeed send to the list and send from victor? thanks.

[edit on 5-5-2006 by g210]

I am on Victor's list and I'd be happy to forward you the virus-hoax emails. Send me a U2U with email info and you'll get them tonight.

hmmmm.... now that I see your total points, I don't know if you have enough to U2U me yet so I'll send you a U2U with my contact email.

Always,
Shawnna

[edit on 5-5-2006 by Shawnna]

Originally posted by Telos
[edit on 5-5-2006 correcting Shawnna's name

by Telos]

Thank you VERY much!

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by Jeddyhi
Even after the main thread started to get difficult to manage, we offered some alternatives that included a dedicated Serpo forum where he would be the designated FSME with some ability to manage threads. He rejected that also.

We've expressed that this was the reality over and over again. I understand there's a great deal of emotional investment (and baggage) related to the "Serpo Story", and it can cause some distortion of memory.

I can confirm that SO is 100% correct, as I have no distortion of memory.

There are those who refuse - no matter how clear it becomes - to see reality.

For some, this denial stems from being overly impressed by the history and background of those behind and supporting this hoax (or disinformation/social experiment?). Others are just naive and/or ignorant of the history of UFOlogy and appear to lack the mental capacity to engage in any critical thinking.

These master manipulators take advantage of those who want so badly to find 'proof' of ET's existence and/or interaction with us. Shame on all of them.

Pseudo-spooks acting as disinformation perpetrators have derailed any serious effort at UFO research. In some instances, www.greatdreams.com... they have intentionally harmed others with their lack of integrity and moral compass.

While what occurred here at ATS was a travesty with respect to the obvious manipulation of a very popular forum to their own advantage, I do not believe we should just let it pass. It is important to somehow expose these master manipulators for the turds of humanity they are.

I do hope whoever is behind the serpo.info site truly has hard evidence and will bring this information forth – sooner rather than later.

Always,
Shawnna

[edit on 5-5-2006 by Shawnna]

Originally posted by Majic
At that point it became clear that ATS wasn't only discussing the hoax, but actively contributing to it by providing free research, proofreading and creative content services for "Anonymous".

In other words, "Anonymous" was using ATS as a writing and editorial pool for a work of semiliterate and ill-conceived fiction.

That's what I mean by "hijacking".

I see, and that makes sense. You know, Ive felt that some of my questions and possible answers were used like that also. For example, I mentioned the possibility that the infamous eben object drawing, made with the stencils, could have been drawn by a human trying to depict eben technology from memory. A drawing aid would have been reasonable in that scenerio. A short while later, that was the exact reason Anonymous gave for the Eben drawing. Supposedly its a depiction of a sundial from serpo! I felt like I had fed the fuel that feeds the fire.

Originally posted by Jeddyhi
For example, I mentioned the possibility that the infamous eben object drawing, made with the stencils, could have been drawn by a human trying to depict eben technology from memory. A drawing aid would have been reasonable in that scenerio. A short while later, that was the exact reason Anonymous gave for the Eben drawing. Supposedly its a depiction of a sundial from serpo! I felt like I had fed the fuel that feeds the fire.

Well that's not what Anon said. He said...

Although no Team Member was trained in drafting, three Team Members had drawing experience from their college days. Several different types of drafting templates were taken on the trip. The planning officials tried to envision every type of situation where a template might be needed.

And...

This drawing is a copy of the actual drawing made by the Team Commander in 1967. The Team also took many photographs of the sundial symbols.

So the drawing was made while the commander was allegedly on Serpo and not drawn from memory.

Unfortunately, the Borel R22 RAPIDESIGN Architectural Template was not made prior to 1969, which I was told by Sanford Corp (parent company of Borel) in an e-mail from their consumer dept. This was from a timeline history of the company.

1969 To compliment the famous TURQUOISE drawing and drafting line,
RAPIDESIGN templates and lettering guides were added to the list of
American made drafting products. They were manufactured in the Burbank,
California facility.

I tried asking if RAPIDESIGN was an acquisition or a new product and if it was possible if the template was produced earlier, but they keep sending me similar timeline history of the company, and don't answer my question directly. This could be proof that Anon is lying, but so far it is not definitive.

I also believe it was my post that prompted Anon's explanation of the Eben Object. Two days before Anon posted the explanation, I stated that unless a description of the object is given, that showed that Serpo was not true disclosure. I don't think it was a coincidence.

Edit: I also want to add that I have to question why this Tacitus Monroe doesn't just post the evidence they have. He/she is threatening to release it unless proof of Serpo is given. If they think the source of the Serpo story is R. Doty then it would be bogus, so why ask for proof?

[edit on 5/6/2006 by Hal9000]

Fraud, Waste And Abuse

NOTE: I said I didn't want to talk about it, but you know how I am about that.

As is almost always the case anyway, I'm speaking as a member -- me, Majic -- and not on behalf of anyone else.

Please don't mistake this for anything "official", because it's not.

These are my personal opinions only, with all the caveats and disclaimers appurtenant thereto.

Originally posted by Hal9000
I also believe it was my post that prompted Anon's explanation of the Eben Object. Two days before Anon posted the explanation, I stated that unless a description of the object is given, that showed that Serpo was not true disclosure. I don't think it was a coincidence.

There are no coincidences.

There are several other examples, such as the shifting composition and characteristics of the "away team" and the "clarifications" about the cargo supposedly sent to Serpo, just to name a couple.

As the hastily-modified "disclosures" continued to trickle forth from "Anonymous" (take your pick which "Anonymous"), it became inescapably obvious to myself and others observing the process that "Project Serpo" wasn't a disclosure at all, but nothing more than a cynical Internet cold reading exercise.

"Free Speech!"

Many ATSers, including myself, originally argued that Serpo should simply be allowed to play itself out. However, once it became clear that "Anonymous" was using ATS to refine and perpetuate an Internet hoax, that changed everything.

ATS was being used to infuse life and credibility into a story that would otherwise have gotten little attention. That trick -- of leveraging ATS as a "hoaxer's workshop" -- is the only aspect of the Project Serpo debacle that I can honestly consider clever.

Helping hoaxers deceive people is not what ATS is about. It is a gross violation of the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use and intolerable to those who love ATS.

The nature of discussion on ATS is such that I don't think it is possible to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

People use ATS as a sounding-board all the time. It is inevitable that, despite what ATS stands for and the best efforts of the staff, ATS will be used by some for dishonorable purposes.

However, we must oppose it where we find it, and not just the staff, but all members who choose to stand against deception.

Unsung Heroes

I want to reemphasize that I am speaking only for myself here.

At first I didn't understand why the senior staff had become so "hostile" about Serpo. That's because it took me longer to figure it out than it took them.

When they took steps to undermine the ability of the hoaxers to exploit and abuse ATS, they were widely criticized by those who misunderstood their motives. Though I don't think I was rude about it, I was initially one of those critics -- which, with the benefit of time and additional information, I now regret.

To paraphrase those who were more visceral in their disagreement, the ATS management was guilty of stifling disclosure, shutting down free speech, mistreating members and a lot of other unflattering and sinister things.

Much of this criticism continues today (for those inclined to seek it out), though its justification becomes less credible as more of the facts about Serpo become known.

It is heartbreaking to see people of integrity and who really love this community be maligned and denigrated in such a distasteful fashion.

The hateful claims made against the owners of ATS are false.

Either I'm lying or those who have slandered the ATS administrators are lying.

Decide for yourself.





[edit on 5/6/2006 by Majic]

Originally posted by Majic
The hateful claims made against the owners of ATS are false.

Either I'm lying or those who have slandered the ATS administrators are lying.

Decide for yourself.

Here Here ! ( Am I allowed to say that I'm Texan ! )

ATS was being used. It went very far and many Honorable ATS members exposed the fraud for what it was. Unfortunately the Hoaxers in this case are well seasoned pro's that know how to "Bait and Awe" an interested audience.

I think the ATS Administration did the right thing , in ATS tradition to kill this abuse of the Community , and this is what was happening was an abuse and fraud being played on our Community.

I think ATS Staff made the right decision.