A 'What If': If the Aurora was Stolen

Well, to me, that counts as being classified. The misinformatioon was designed to keep its true purpose a secret. If it wasn't classified then they would have just said 'here's our new high altitude reconnaissance aircraft'.

Originally posted by mlindahl
Does the Aurora exist? Maybe, maybe not. But and however...there were leaks and rumors about both the RS-71 (before it was released, it was the RS), and the F-117, and no one had the opportunity/intelligence/balls/manpower/etc. to steal something like that.

Most Top Secret aircrat are kept at Groom Lake! No remotely sane person, whould try to steal anything from there! They would find out real quickly that those signs that read:
]USE OF DEADLY FORCE AUTHORIZED

Are not a joke! Back when the F-117 Nighthawk was still Top Secret, they used to have Guards with M-16 in the hanger just in case all the other defenses failed!

When it comes to National Security, Dubya and his cronies (or should I say "Dubya's cronies and Dubya

) do not mess around.

Of course not! Bush just gives away the names of covert CIA operatives in the feild, because their relitives don't like his assinine and pethetic policies! Have you ever wondered why noone ever got busted for leaking the idenity of CIA operative Valirey Plame? Maybe it's because her huband was brave enough to speak out against Bush and his self-rightous Cronnies in the White House!

OK, Ok, Ok, I'll put the soap box away now! Sorry if I took that off topic, but I just had to get that off my chest!

Tim

Why bother stealing it? If you did, I would say "Hooray" and feel exceptionally happy that someone had just annoyed the USAF that much.

But other than that, I'd rather try to EMP the entire of Groom Lake. It would be brilliant, and far more worthwhile than stealing one plane.

Actually that makes me wonder something. If electromagnetic discs are stored at Groom Lake, would EMP cause them to start up on their own?

Originally posted by mlindahl
Well, the Blackbird was first named the RS-71 Blackbird and during the announcement speech by one of the presidents (I forget his name), he mispronounced it as the SR-71 Blackbird, so they changed it.

This isn't true, its just a popular rumour/urban myth. The name was changed because Curtis LeMay preferred the SR designation over the RS.

Originally posted by mlindahl
As for the F-22 Raptor, we all know it was "modelled" after the YF-23, but it's design was just less expensive, so it won out.

This is totally wrong, the yf-22 and yf-23 were competeing designs in the same project developed by two separate companies. The yf-23 in no way inspired the f-22, surely even the numbering can show that!

I think it might be a good idea to send Clint Eastwood after it. He got away with Firefox, didn't he?

I know that the Aurora is really a stolen Russian super jet that must be kept secret because of the illegality of the acquisition. The Russian's too never admitted to the embarrassment of having an American movie star waltz in a pinch a plane.

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Then you get a bad sequel to Broken Arrow.

I'd fly it to Russia... They could make use of it.


It's not exactly the first time this has happened.

You think Broken Arrow was fiction too? in about 30 years, the USA has lost over 60 nuclear weapons around the world. YOU ARE NOT FIT TO HANDLE NUKES!!

Originally posted by gfad

Originally posted by mlindahl
Well, the Blackbird was first named the RS-71 Blackbird and during the announcement speech by one of the presidents (I forget his name), he mispronounced it as the SR-71 Blackbird, so they changed it.

This isn't true, its just a popular rumour/urban myth. The name was changed because Curtis LeMay preferred the SR designation over the RS.

The NEW, Honda RS-71 Blackbird!!

Well, your question could simply be what would happen if I steal a F-16? you wont even get away with that because it's very hard to do, first of all you have to know how to fly it and then you have to avoid being shot down by SAMs or other fighters.

Now imagine a multi-billion top-secret spy plane where no documentation exist of on how to fly it.

Another problem simply is, no one ever was able to take a photograph of the Aurora, well there are some pictures of delta-wing aircraft but we aren't even sure if it IS the Aurora.

Also the existance of the Aurora is still being disputed, no one is sure if it even exist, while I believe in the posibility.

Here is a picture that alledgedly is a 90% accurate model of the F-121 Aurora.


Looks cool doesn't it?

If i happene to steal it, I would fly it to a foreign country and land it in a civillian airfield or some big international airport, then get away from it as fast as i can, take an overall and pretend im a ground crew member and pretend it never happened.

Would there be a bomb aboard the Aurora in case it got stolen? It may have being a top secret plane so it would be there to prevent security leakages

It may also be remote controlled from the ground too!

I think you'll find it parked next to the Phantom Arrow

Originally posted by cyberdude78
Actually that makes me wonder something. If electromagnetic discs are stored at Groom Lake, would EMP cause them to start up on their own?

Yes, and then the Benny Hill Theme will start to play in loops and Adam Carola will jump up on top of a hangar and do some crazy dance, while a whole bunch of flying disks are shooting all over the place.

Originally posted by waynos
I've always said that the Aurora has been secret too long (25 years and counting) for it to be real,

Is it not possible that the name "Aurora" is used for any aircraft that has not yet been declassified?

Only the really fast ones. Until we're told exactly what it is, the name is pretty much up for grabs.

Originally posted by Nventual
Is it not possible that the name "Aurora" is used for any aircraft that has not yet been declassified?

That's an intresting theory! However, I must say that it makes sense. It would certinally explain why the Aurora seems to be the secret project that never goes away.

Tim

It is a possiblity, however descriptions of what 'Aurora' is supposed to be have been pretty consistent in the whole time, suggesting just one type of aircraft.

Originally posted by waynos
It is a possiblity, however descriptions of what 'Aurora' is supposed to be have been pretty consistent in the whole time, suggesting just one type of aircraft.

Well, I have to disagree? Consistant in what way?

here is a quick List of some of the inconsistencies I've seen in the Aroura Story over the years:

Speed: I've seen speeds from Mach 5 to Mach 20 reported.

Maker: Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, and Loral

User: CIA, NSA, DIA, USAF

Bases: From Groom Lake, to a base in Alaska

Engines: From Turboramjets to PDW Engines

No Offence, but where do you see consistency here? The only think I see that all of these stories have in common is that they involve a secret spy plane!

Can you eplaine where you see consistency here?

Tim

I see consistency in the very assertion that the Aurora *is* supposed to be a large hypersonic strategic spy plane that replaced the Blackbird, that is the core belief and that has never changed, it is not generally supposed to be a fighter or a UCAV or a flying anti grav disc or any of the other many fanciful ideas for 'black projects' that are in circulation.

How fast it goes, who built and where it is based etc are all simply attempts to impose 'details' to this vaguest of outlines from pure guesswork. Out of all these varying details you listed the mere fact that *everyone* is talking about a supposed large hypersonic strategic spy plane that replaced the Blackbird points to it being a single entity that nobody can exactly pin down.

Therefore I would say that the 'Aurora' refers to a single type.

Originally posted by waynos
I see consistency in the very assertion that the Aurora *is* supposed to be a large hypersonic strategic spy plane that replaced the Blackbird, that is the core belief and that has never changed,

How fast it goes, who built and where it is based etc are all simply attempts to impose 'details' to this vaguest of outlines from pure guesswork. Out of all these varying details you listed the mere fact that *everyone* is talking about a supposed large hypersonic strategic spy plane that replaced the Blackbird points to it being a single entity that nobody can exactly pin down.

Therefore I would say that the 'Aurora' refers to a single type.

Fair enough, I'll give you that one!

Tim